The Croslin & Cummings families, what's going on?

[Emeralgem]

There are witnesses who came forward and have even stated they spoke with LE. These witnesses have stated Ron did not pick Haleigh up.. They stated Haleigh got into a van and the van drove off on the opposite direction of the MH on Green Lane...So IMHO IF Ron C claims he picked up Haleigh we have a discrepancy here and LE can't verify he was the one who picked up Haleigh...JMHO

 

[Flossie JMO]

LE was at the bus stop? That's the only way they could be sure Ron picked up HaLeigh when others have said otherwise.

Art Harris stated he spoke to Santos and his girlfriend and an anonymous grandfather and they said Misty pick up HaLeigh, and that there were witnesses that said Ron picked HaLeigh up, but he didn't speak to them.

I'm sure LE spoke to all prior to stating Ronald picked her up. JMO I prefer to take LE's word

 

[Emeralgem]

I suspect the ones AH didn't speak with concerning the subject were TN , Misty or Chelsea..
To my knowledge LE has never addressed the subject since Jerry S came forward..Everything pertaining to the subject was reported before J Santos made his statement to AH..JMHO

 

[mkay882]

The only thing established with that "fact" is that it shows Ron was alone at some point with a missing child, which is not a positive thing. And now hes in Prison. Same time as someone labeled a suspect.

Except Ron and Crystal.
No matter 'who' else is in jail for drug trafficking.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/24658375/detail.html


"... "Investigators are still working this case diligently, and we believe we will find out what happened to Haleigh, but it's going to take time," Lt. Johnny Greenwood, of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office, said Tuesday.
"We don't know if the break in Haleigh's disappearance will come from behind bars or from the public."

"Everyone is considered a person of interest in Haleigh's disappearance except
Crystal Sheffield and Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's parents," he added...."

 

[titanfan62702]

I suspect the ones AH didn't speak with concerning the subject were TN , Misty or Chelsea..
To my knowledge LE has never addressed the subject since Jerry S came forward..Everything pertaining to the subject was reported before J Santos made his statement to AH..JMHO

The "Ron picking her up story" was one of many that had red flags jumping out -- too many details and the times didn't match.

Actually, most of the flags were in after he picked her up. So maybe he did, but didn't drive her home or let her "drive home."

 

[Donjeta]

The point is we do know.
HaLeigh, according to LE, was last seen after 7-8 PM by her GGM and was gone when LE arrived (as you point out) at 3:30 ish AM.
That's why this is the time line.

Choose to believe it or not. It is what it is. <shrug>

Right, that's what we have and it's unfortunately not much. *shrug* is right.

I would feel happier believing her if her story stayed the same in the essentials but it didn't. She lost her credibility when she was out in the media defending Misty and then after Misty was arrested she suddenly said she had been angry that Misty was back because of all her faults.

 

[mkay882]

Right, that's what we have and it's unfortunately not much. *shrug* is right.

I would feel happier believing her if her story stayed the same in the essentials but it didn't. She lost her credibility when she was out in the media defending Misty and then after Misty was arrested she suddenly said she had been angry that Misty was back because of all her faults.

IMO 'We' all want to feel like our kids sig. others are basically good people.
'We' may disapprove of some of their actions or habits, but most would keep those thoughts to themselves since 'our' kids are adults and make their own decisions.

TN and GGMS wanted to believe in Misty at first, which is no big deal in my book and doesn't surprise me at all.

They turned on her when they learned the things they learned later.
At least they did stop standing behind (and up) for Misty when they learned.
Crystal defended Misty too at first. She said the kids loved her.
Can't fault any of them for wising up.
That's the way it goes sometime. Live and learn or stay stuck in the same place.. KWIM?

 

[Chablis]

IMO 'We' all want to feel like our kids sig. others are basically good people.
'We' may disapprove of some of their actions or habits, but most would keep those thoughts to themselves since 'our' kids are adults and make their own decisions.

TN and GGMS wanted to believe in Misty at first, which is no big deal in my book and doesn't surprise me at all.

They turned on her when they learned the things they learned later.
At least they did stop standing behind (and up) for Misty when they learned.
Crystal defended Misty too at first. She said the kids loved her.
Can't fault any of them for wising up.
That's the way it goes sometime. Live and learn or stay stuck in the same place.. KWIM?

Saying kids loved someone is not "defending" them.

 

[Flossie JMO]

IMO 'We' all want to feel like our kids sig. others are basically good people.
'We' may disapprove of some of their actions or habits, but most would keep those thoughts to themselves since 'our' kids are adults and make their own decisions.

TN and GGMS wanted to believe in Misty at first, which is no big deal in my book and doesn't surprise me at all.

They turned on her when they learned the things they learned later.
At least they did stop standing behind (and up) for Misty when they learned.
Crystal defended Misty too at first. She said the kids loved her.
Can't fault any of them for wising up.
That's the way it goes sometime. Live and learn or stay stuck in the same place.. KWIM?

Pretty common imo, I won't go through the long list, will just post the first that came to mind, Laci Peterson's family initially defended Scott. Not strange imo. JMO

 

[titanfan62702]

Saying kids loved someone is not "defending" them.

oh oh we're reading each other's minds.

 

[lonetraveler]

Schauland stated Ron C picked up Haleigh because he got that information from Ron C and his mother...Not credilbe IMHO..
Same with GGMS claiming she saw Haleigh eating dinner that night..Not credible..
In reference to the A/C man, my understanding is he is a close personal friend of one of Ron C's closest relatives IYKWIM, and IMO not a credible witness either..
Let me add.. The person who told MG Haleigh was outside playing that day was not a neighbor... It was TN who told MG a neighbor said they saw Haleigh that day playing outside...IMO Not a credible story..

Until a credible witness comes forward, identifies themselves and verifies they saw Haleigh that afternoon playing with Tommy's children, I'm not believing Tommy was there with his children or that Haleigh was doing wheelies on her bike, that just so happened to have training wheels on it...
I'm not believing GGMS saw Haleigh either like she claims she did..Not only has she changed the time she was there three or four different times, she also changed her story..IIRC.. Her first story was she just happened to drive by and wave..Now just how convenient was that considering the main road is some distance from where the MH on Green Lane was located? Makes no sense...JMHO..

I think that GGM's story is a "crock" as well and doesn't it make you wonder why Aunt Elise hasn't had a single word to say about her little trip over to the Mh that night? Misty identified the other part of the "we" went over to the Mh story that came from GGM. How the heck do we know who actually rode with GGM, if she really went over to the house that evening? Truth is, we don't know who was with GGM if she actually did go over to the MH. That mysterious person has never come forth to confirm or deny that they were a witness to this "live Haleigh" sighting. Strange huh? Many people are basing the entire timeline to GGM seeing Jr. and Haleigh on the front porch eating anywhere from 7:00 pm to 8:00 pm but no one questions why if this is so very important that we haven't heard anything regarding another eye-witness?

 

[lonetraveler]

There are witnesses who came forward and have even stated they spoke with LE. These witnesses have stated Ron did not pick Haleigh up.. They stated Haleigh got into a van and the van drove off on the opposite direction of the MH on Green Lane...So IMHO IF Ron C claims he picked up Haleigh we have a discrepancy here and LE can't verify he was the one who picked up Haleigh...JMHO

Em, those are not the only witnesses who came forward with valuable information for the case but were dismissed and not taken seriously at all. The two men who witnessed Ronald Cummings at around 6 pm the evening of February 9th, drunk waving a gun and wanting to go rob a drug dealer. This is proof that Ronald's claim to have left for his work shift shortly after he claimed to have picked up Haleigh at the bus stop, is a lie. Either he showed up for work, very late or he showed up on time and then left for awhile.

 

[Donjeta]

Can't fault any of them for wising up.
That's the way it goes sometime. Live and learn or stay stuck in the same place.. KWIM?

There is wising up and then there is dishonesty. JMO.

She is alleging she was already mad at Misty and thought she shouldn't be watching the children before Haleigh ever disappeared because she had disappeared on her drug binge. I can't fault her for that because I wouldn't like a person like that watching my grandchildren either, but knowing that I would pull my teeth out before I went on record saying she was oh so mature.

IMO, the initial accounts were beautified in the hopes that no one would find out that the primary caretakers of Haleigh and her brother were drug users.

 

[titanfan62702]

I think that GGM's story is a "crock" as well and doesn't it make you wonder why Aunt Elise hasn't had a single word to say about her little trip over to the Mh that night? Misty identified the other part of the "we" went over to the Mh story that came from GGM. How the heck do we know who actually rode with GGM, if she really went over to the house that evening? Truth is, we don't know who was with GGM if she actually did go over to the MH. That mysterious person has never come forth to confirm or deny that they were a witness to this "live Haleigh" sighting. Strange huh? Many people are basing the entire timeline to GGM seeing Jr. and Haleigh on the front porch eating anywhere from 7:00 pm to 8:00 pm but no one questions why if this is so very important that we haven't heard anything regarding another eye-witness?

I heard it was the dog.

 

[Flossie JMO]

Em, those are not the only witnesses who came forward with valuable information for the case but were dismissed and not taken seriously at all. The two men who witnessed Ronald Cummings at around 6 pm the evening of February 9th, drunk waving a gun and wanting to go rob a drug dealer. This is proof that Ronald's claim to have left for his work shift shortly after he claimed to have picked up Haleigh at the bus stop, is a lie. Either he showed up for work, very late or he showed up on time and then left for awhile.

bbm, actually no, there is no proof Ron's claim is a lie. No proof he was late, or that he left. I understand it's your opinion, but it definitely is not a fact, and I don't share your opinion.

JMO the other people's stories have clearly been dismissed by LE, and LE has no obligation to tell us all the reasons why.

 

[Emeralgem]

IMO..IF all the other people's stories have clearly been dismissed by LE, and LE has no obligation to tell us all the reasons why, then there is something terribly wrong and corrupt within PCSO.....JMHO

 

[Emeralgem]

Em, those are not the only witnesses who came forward with valuable information for the case but were dismissed and not taken seriously at all. The two men who witnessed Ronald Cummings at around 6 pm the evening of February 9th, drunk waving a gun and wanting to go rob a drug dealer. This is proof that Ronald's claim to have left for his work shift shortly after he claimed to have picked up Haleigh at the bus stop, is a lie. Either he showed up for work, very late or he showed up on time and then left for awhile.

Right now I'm convinced PCSO has done everything within their power to keep the truth from being revealed....JMHO

 

[Emeralgem]

IMO 'We' all want to feel like our kids sig. others are basically good people.
'We' may disapprove of some of their actions or habits, but most would keep those thoughts to themselves since 'our' kids are adults and make their own decisions.

TN and GGMS wanted to believe in Misty at first, which is no big deal in my book and doesn't surprise me at all.They turned on her when they learned the things they learned later.
At least they did stop standing behind (and up) for Misty when they learned.
Crystal defended Misty too at first. She said the kids loved her.
Can't fault any of them for wising up. That's the way it goes sometime. Live and learn or stay stuck in the same place.. KWIM?

This has nothing to do with TN and GGMS wising up, but everything to do with being manipulative, deceitful and lying in order to protect your son/grandson...And knowing that Misty wasn't smart enough to realize they were intentionally setting up her and her brother to take the fall for their son/grandson...JMHO

 

[dodie20]

Saying they wised up, implies that Misty is guilty of Haleigh's disappearance...and that goes against what LE has stated. They were very specific in stating that Misty, along with Ron, is not a suspect. Also, the last I heard from TN, (and this was after she called her a witch), was that she didn't believe Misty was involved. During that same time frame, Ron also showed a lot of support towards Misty...which IMO, was baffling. Yes, Misty reportedly failed LDTs, and that points to knowledge, but Ron, according to Art Harris sources, reportedly failed his own...which also points to knowledge...and this was after Ron very pointedly, stated that both he and Misty passed their tests. Misty also failed her LVA test, and one of her failed answers, dealt with Ron's involvement. When watching that thing, I believed her, when she said she didn't know why she had doubts about Ron, but if she was being truthful, that opens up a whole other can of worms. Anyway, just the fact that the interviewer questioned her about Ron, grabbed my attention. JMO.

 

[mkay882]

IMO..IF all the other people's stories have clearly been dismissed by LE, and LE has no obligation to tell us all the reasons why, then there is something terribly wrong and corrupt within PCSO.....JMHO

Why?
Because LE isn't fixated on 'Ron has to be guilty' as some are?
He is not a suspect.