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Great, a coffee break. Note to self 'Do speed reading course'
The Crown v Gerard Baden-Clay, 17th June - Trial Day 5 - Week 2
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11.20am: The 34th witness in the trial is Kenmore clinic general practitioner Dr Nicholas Bourke.
“She called for a result on the 26th of March and was given a telephone result by one of the registered nurses,” he said.
Dr Bourke said Ms Baden-Clay attended the clinic of March 19 for a pap-smear.
“She discussed that she’d been having premenstrual mood swings,” he said.
She said the doctor discussed with her that she had been on Zoloft since 2006 as well as issued a prescription of Zoloft of 100mg per day.
“As far as I’m reading to the notes it seems to be they we related to her menstrual cycle,” he said of the mood-swings Ms Baden-Clay complained of.
Dr Bourke agreed Ms Baden-Clay saw him for consults in May, August, September and October, 2011.
He said Ms Baden-Clay came to see him on May 30, 2011, to say she had experienced a recurrence of symptoms of depression in the past in the context of external stressors such as finances.
He said she was keen to restart Zoloft medication on a dosage of 50mg.
Dr Bourke said he did not refer Ms Baden-Clay to a psychologist until August 8, 2011.
He said he did a mental health plan for Ms Baden-Clay and she scored 18/50 on an indicative test for distress or depression, which indicated “there was not a significant level of distress at that appointment”.
Dr Bourke said he met Ms Baden-Clay again to review blood test results on September 20, 2011.He said there was a slight abnormality in her thyroid test and her iron levels were still slightly abnormal.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ing-wife-allison/story-fnihsrf2-1226956622231
“She called for a result on the 26th of March and was given a telephone result by one of the registered nurses,” he said.
Dr Bourke said Ms Baden-Clay attended the clinic of March 19 for a pap-smear.
“She discussed that she’d been having premenstrual mood swings,” he said.
She said the doctor discussed with her that she had been on Zoloft since 2006 as well as issued a prescription of Zoloft of 100mg per day.
“As far as I’m reading to the notes it seems to be they we related to her menstrual cycle,” he said of the mood-swings Ms Baden-Clay complained of.
Dr Bourke agreed Ms Baden-Clay saw him for consults in May, August, September and October, 2011.
He said Ms Baden-Clay came to see him on May 30, 2011, to say she had experienced a recurrence of symptoms of depression in the past in the context of external stressors such as finances.
He said she was keen to restart Zoloft medication on a dosage of 50mg.
Dr Bourke said he did not refer Ms Baden-Clay to a psychologist until August 8, 2011.
He said he did a mental health plan for Ms Baden-Clay and she scored 18/50 on an indicative test for distress or depression, which indicated “there was not a significant level of distress at that appointment”.
Dr Bourke said he met Ms Baden-Clay again to review blood test results on September 20, 2011.He said there was a slight abnormality in her thyroid test and her iron levels were still slightly abnormal.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ing-wife-allison/story-fnihsrf2-1226956622231
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Defence will just counter it by saying it was 18 months before her death, and prior to finding out about the affair. :maddening:
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Ha! Take that, defence!
Nice to have this following so closely on the defence's attempts to portray this as only wishful thinking on Toni's part.
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It sounds to me that Allison was on the up and up, and GBC and clan didn't like it. jmo
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They have got nothing else really have they? Without the suicide/alternative then there is only GBC - same old, same old, Blame the victim. :tantrum::tantrum:
lease:lease:
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Dr Bourke said the consultation did not relate to mental health issues.
He said he saw Ms Baden-Clay for the final time on October 6, 2011.
He said she told him her husband was having an affair and that she was distressed but had spoken with him and requested a referral to a relationship counsellor.
Dr Bourke said she also requested an STI check.
He said Ms Baden-Clay told him the affair had been ongoing for approximately three years.
Dr Bourke said he discussed increasing Ms Baden-Clay’s Zoloft medication from 50 to 100mg each day.
“My impression of her depression was it was a relapsing … course over a number of year and this was, if you like, a routine flare-up when perhaps acute stress came along,” he said.
“My impression was this was a flare-up of her usual depressive illness over a number of years.”
He said his opinion was Ms Baden-Clay was not a high risk of suicide.
“I felt that she showed from that first consultation, even prior to the final consultation discovering her husband’s infidelity, she had a high level of resilience and had good insight,” Dr Bourke said.
Dr Bourke said Zoloft was a common “re-uptake inhibitor” anti-depressant that increased the levels of a neuro-transmitter called serotonin in the brain.
He said the purpose of the next consultation in March, 2012, was for a pap-smear.
In re-examination by barrister Michael Byrne QC, for Baden-Clay, Dr Bourke agreed he had been a GP for 3.5 years in terms of passing his exam but in May, 2011 had been a GP for 2 years.
Dr Bourke agreed that Ms Baden-Clay complained of “bad mood-swings” in March 19, 2012.
He said she had never discussed feeling suicidal.
Dr Bourke agreed people could mask an expression of depression to both lay people and professionals.
“It’s possible,” he conceded.
In re-examination by Crown prosecutor Danny Boyle, Dr Bourke said he graduated as a doctor in 2004.
He agreed he increased Ms Baden-Clay’s dosage of Zoloft to 100mg in October, 2011.
Dr Bourke said there was no increase in the dosage of Zoloft although a prescription was issued on March 19, 2012.
He said Ms Baden-Clay had disclosed her feelings of depression with him.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ing-wife-allison/story-fnihsrf2-1226956622231
He said he saw Ms Baden-Clay for the final time on October 6, 2011.
He said she told him her husband was having an affair and that she was distressed but had spoken with him and requested a referral to a relationship counsellor.
Dr Bourke said she also requested an STI check.
He said Ms Baden-Clay told him the affair had been ongoing for approximately three years.
Dr Bourke said he discussed increasing Ms Baden-Clay’s Zoloft medication from 50 to 100mg each day.
“My impression of her depression was it was a relapsing … course over a number of year and this was, if you like, a routine flare-up when perhaps acute stress came along,” he said.
“My impression was this was a flare-up of her usual depressive illness over a number of years.”
He said his opinion was Ms Baden-Clay was not a high risk of suicide.
“I felt that she showed from that first consultation, even prior to the final consultation discovering her husband’s infidelity, she had a high level of resilience and had good insight,” Dr Bourke said.
Dr Bourke said Zoloft was a common “re-uptake inhibitor” anti-depressant that increased the levels of a neuro-transmitter called serotonin in the brain.
He said the purpose of the next consultation in March, 2012, was for a pap-smear.
In re-examination by barrister Michael Byrne QC, for Baden-Clay, Dr Bourke agreed he had been a GP for 3.5 years in terms of passing his exam but in May, 2011 had been a GP for 2 years.
Dr Bourke agreed that Ms Baden-Clay complained of “bad mood-swings” in March 19, 2012.
He said she had never discussed feeling suicidal.
Dr Bourke agreed people could mask an expression of depression to both lay people and professionals.
“It’s possible,” he conceded.
In re-examination by Crown prosecutor Danny Boyle, Dr Bourke said he graduated as a doctor in 2004.
He agreed he increased Ms Baden-Clay’s dosage of Zoloft to 100mg in October, 2011.
Dr Bourke said there was no increase in the dosage of Zoloft although a prescription was issued on March 19, 2012.
He said Ms Baden-Clay had disclosed her feelings of depression with him.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ing-wife-allison/story-fnihsrf2-1226956622231
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The most dangerous time for a person involved with a NPD/Gaslighter: when they finally start to wrest back control of their own lives.
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still behind a bit but I thought gbc told them at the first police interview , he volunteered , I thought
I know that they will use the timeline as a defence argument BUT I think Dr Lumsden went further than he needed to when he said how impressed he was by her and how she conducted herself, as well as the fact that she had been educating her children on resilience courses. It gave me the distinct impression that Allison was in-tune with her feelings and pro-active in seeking help if and when she needed to. Dr Bourke, saw her on several occasions subsequent to Dr Lumsden and did not find her ever to be suicidal or out of control of her feelings.
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David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 54s
Rosamond Nutting, psychologist, about to give evidence by phone #badenclay
Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 20s
Next to give evidence is Rosamond Nutting, a psychologist since 1984 from Bardon Counselling Centre. #badenclay
Rosamond Nutting, psychologist, about to give evidence by phone #badenclay
Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 20s
Next to give evidence is Rosamond Nutting, a psychologist since 1984 from Bardon Counselling Centre. #badenclay
Just noticed something odd regarding the testimony timeline of both doctors........
Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 47s
In August, 2011, Dr Bourke referred her to a Dr Lumsden. #badenclay
and
ate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 1m
Dr Lumsden says he saw Allison in December 2010. She wanted the doctor to speak with Gerard. #badenclay
maybe Dr Lumsden saw her in December 2011
Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 47s
In August, 2011, Dr Bourke referred her to a Dr Lumsden. #badenclay
and
ate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 1m
Dr Lumsden says he saw Allison in December 2010. She wanted the doctor to speak with Gerard. #badenclay
maybe Dr Lumsden saw her in December 2011
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I don't see how they could pass those marks in his face off as razor marks. Who shaves in a straight line then goes off to a different direction? Doesn't look razorish at all to me. JMO. Big thanks again to people tweeting and in court. Has been a very informative read xx
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11.45am: The 35th witness in the trial is Life Resolutions psychologist Dr Lawrence Playfair Lumsden.
He said he saw Allison Baden-Clay to discuss her relationship with her husband on December 9, 2010.
Dr Lumsden said he administered a depression, anxiety and distress scale test if Ms Baden-Clay registered any symptoms of mood adjustment.
“Her test showed that her depression, anxiety and distress levels were absolutely normal,” he said.
Dr Lumsden said there was “absolutely zero” chance she was a suicide risk.
“She spoke about the post-natal depression but also the other issues that she’d had around depression since the time of their marriage,” he said.
“She discussed the depression as being in the past … I was so impressed that I actually hoped to encourage her fourth-year studies and come and work with me.”
Dr Lumsden said Ms Baden-Clay told him she was teaching resilience courses at the local school.
He said he saw Gerard Baden-Clay on December 14, 2010, December 21, 2010 and January 18, 2011.
He said the accused’s test results on December 14 were normal although his stress levels were slightly elevated.
Dr Lumsden said Baden-Clay told him about his relationship with his wife.
“In the statement it says that Mr Baden-Clay said he wanted to leave his wife, that’s a simplification,” he said.
“The question of the future of the relationship was very complex and clearly if it had been a simple, straightforward matter of one relevant party saying this isn’t going to work, I want to move on, they would have done it.
“It wasn’t simple and so we were exploring different options about identifying exactly what needed to be done in terms of the long-term future of the relationship and alternative ways in which disengaging could have taken place.”
He said the accused did not discuss his affair, adding it was not unusual for clients not to tell him about extramarital relationships.
“He saw me three times. We explored options, clearly there was a lot of work to do,” he said.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ing-wife-allison/story-fnihsrf2-1226956622231
He said he saw Allison Baden-Clay to discuss her relationship with her husband on December 9, 2010.
Dr Lumsden said he administered a depression, anxiety and distress scale test if Ms Baden-Clay registered any symptoms of mood adjustment.
“Her test showed that her depression, anxiety and distress levels were absolutely normal,” he said.
Dr Lumsden said there was “absolutely zero” chance she was a suicide risk.
“She spoke about the post-natal depression but also the other issues that she’d had around depression since the time of their marriage,” he said.
“She discussed the depression as being in the past … I was so impressed that I actually hoped to encourage her fourth-year studies and come and work with me.”
Dr Lumsden said Ms Baden-Clay told him she was teaching resilience courses at the local school.
He said he saw Gerard Baden-Clay on December 14, 2010, December 21, 2010 and January 18, 2011.
He said the accused’s test results on December 14 were normal although his stress levels were slightly elevated.
Dr Lumsden said Baden-Clay told him about his relationship with his wife.
“In the statement it says that Mr Baden-Clay said he wanted to leave his wife, that’s a simplification,” he said.
“The question of the future of the relationship was very complex and clearly if it had been a simple, straightforward matter of one relevant party saying this isn’t going to work, I want to move on, they would have done it.
“It wasn’t simple and so we were exploring different options about identifying exactly what needed to be done in terms of the long-term future of the relationship and alternative ways in which disengaging could have taken place.”
He said the accused did not discuss his affair, adding it was not unusual for clients not to tell him about extramarital relationships.
“He saw me three times. We explored options, clearly there was a lot of work to do,” he said.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ing-wife-allison/story-fnihsrf2-1226956622231
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Francene Norton ‏@francenenorton 51s
Bardon psychologist Rosamond Nutting now giving evidence via phone. #badenclay @abcnews
Tessa Scott ‏@TessaScott9 54s
We are now hearing from Dr Rosamond Nutting, psychologist from Bardon. @9NewsBrisbane #badenclay
Sarah Elks ‏@sarahelks 54s
Gerard Baden-Clay had at least 3 lovers, former mistress tells court http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...ress-tells-court/story-e6frg6nf-1226957153032 #badenclay
Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 55s
Next to give evidence is Rosamond Nutting, a psychologist since 1984 from Bardon Counselling Centre. #badenclay
Bardon psychologist Rosamond Nutting now giving evidence via phone. #badenclay @abcnews
Tessa Scott ‏@TessaScott9 54s
We are now hearing from Dr Rosamond Nutting, psychologist from Bardon. @9NewsBrisbane #badenclay
Sarah Elks ‏@sarahelks 54s
Gerard Baden-Clay had at least 3 lovers, former mistress tells court http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...ress-tells-court/story-e6frg6nf-1226957153032 #badenclay
Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 55s
Next to give evidence is Rosamond Nutting, a psychologist since 1984 from Bardon Counselling Centre. #badenclay
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Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 53s
Ms Nutting says they came to her about their relationship problems. #badenclay
David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 56s
Ms Nutting saw Gerard and Allison between October and December 2011 for 'relationship problems' #badenclay
Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 1m
Ms Nutting says she consulted with Gerard and Allison between Oct, 2011 and Dec, 2011. They were referred by Dr Bourke. #badenclay
Ms Nutting says they came to her about their relationship problems. #badenclay
David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 56s
Ms Nutting saw Gerard and Allison between October and December 2011 for 'relationship problems' #badenclay
Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 1m
Ms Nutting says she consulted with Gerard and Allison between Oct, 2011 and Dec, 2011. They were referred by Dr Bourke. #badenclay
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David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 40s
Ms Nutting was given background that Gerard had an affair and Allison had been traumatised #badenclay
Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 43s
Ms Nutting says Allison was "traumatised" by finding out. It had impacted her self esteem. #badenclay
Ms Nutting was given background that Gerard had an affair and Allison had been traumatised #badenclay
Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 43s
Ms Nutting says Allison was "traumatised" by finding out. It had impacted her self esteem. #badenclay
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Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 43s
Ms Nutting says Gerard told her "my actions are not who I am" and that he did not believe depression was an illness. #badenclay
Huh?!
Ms Nutting says Gerard told her "my actions are not who I am" and that he did not believe depression was an illness. #badenclay
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