The dead squirrel

[RR0004]

Right and they have so many reasons to believe her since she's always been 100% honest with them. Well heck, even if she did lie, she eventually told the truth after it was dug out of her, per CA. KC was even honest about her pregnancy after 7 whole months of being pregnant. Guess she couldn't lie her way out of delivering a baby.:waitasec:

You'd be amazed...if she could have kept it hidden who knows where Caylee would have ended up after birth.

 

[MD MOMMY]

So it is okay to think KC is lying about the squirrel, but it is illogical to think that bacon fat is commonly found in kitchen trash bags?
My opinion is that it is logical to think one might find bacon fat in a kitchen trash bag, and that KC was probably lying about the squirrel.

It's logical for me to think a bunch of college kids would dump bacon fat down a sink drain not worry about throwing it in the trash. Now if you ask about an adult sure. I think my trash can has had some bacon greese in it b/c I own my own home and would feel the reprecussions of a stopped up drain.

 

[impatientredhead]

Right and they have so many reasons to believe her since she's always been 100% honest with them. Well heck, even if she did lie, she eventually told the truth after it was dug out of her, per CA. KC was even honest about her pregnancy after 7 whole months of being pregnant. Guess she couldn't lie her way out of delivering a baby.:waitasec:

I think Casey could have lied her way through delivery and may have planned to like all of the girls who give birth and try to hide it after the fact (some must be successful). I think that may have been Casey's intent all along.

I think Cindy confronted the issue at seven months. Therefore Casey didn't have the option of taking that lie the distance. moo

 

[MD MOMMY]

You'd be amazed...if she could have kept it hidden who knows where Caylee would have ended up after birth.

Unfortunately probably right where she ended up but only 34 monts earlier..sadly.

 

[TorisMom003]

So it is okay to think KC is lying about the squirrel, but it is illogical to think that bacon fat is commonly found in kitchen trash bags?
My opinion is that it is logical to think one might find bacon fat in a kitchen trash bag, and that KC was probably lying about the squirrel.

Let's look at it this way. We have ample proof that Casey lies. Casey lied about her dad driving her car. Casey lied about Caylee being with the nanny at the beach, parks, etc. Casey lied about having a job. Casey lies just to lie it seems. Casey makes a claim that can NOT be backed up........a couple of squirrels either crawled into her engine compartment OR George ran over a squirrel that was plastered under her car, the squirrels died and stunk up the TRUNK of the car. We do not have ample proof or any proof at all that bacon fat is commonly found in TL's kitchen. Matter of fact we have no proof that bacon fat is commonly found in everyone's kitchen or kitchen trash bags. I personally NEVER cook bacon therefore you will never find bacon fat in my kitchen or my trash. So which one makes the most sense? Casey LIED AGAIN and poor Caylee had been in her mother's trunk after she died before Casey dumped her in the woods. Of course that just makes the most sense to me. Usually the shortest route from point A to point B is a straight line, not the round about all over the map route.

 

[impatientredhead]

Anyone else losing their appetite for bacon the more this discussion goes on? I of course think there is no chemical correlation between cadaver wax and a processed-fried-pork product grease, nor do I think they would smell anything alike but they are becoming linked in my head!

 

[impatientredhead]

You'd be amazed...if she could have kept it hidden who knows where Caylee would have ended up after birth.

Unfortunately I think both of those paths end up exactly where Caylee turned up. Dead and tossed out like garbage by her mother because it was easier for mom than taking care of her or giving her away. moo

 

[ZsaZsa]

I do not know of any evidence that states anything about vomit or bacon. I was just using those items to try to make sense of what I read in the docs, and reasonable possibilities as to how my conclusions may be possible. Much in the same way, when I first started following the case that I concluded that KC has a penchant for telling half truths etc. I don't always know these for a fact, and haven't found them in the docs but I reasonable conclude she may be a liar.
There are 5 components in the report that are consistant with pig (bacon), how can I reasonably think it may be bacon, because bacon is found in a kitchen, and the towel where the trace of evidence was, was found in a kitchen garbage bag. Isn't that circumstantial reasoning?

I don't believe that a half truth is anything but a lie. It's either the truth or it's not.... kinda like saying she was half pregnant.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Anyone else losing their appetite for bacon the more this discussion goes on? I of course think there is no chemical correlation between cadaver wax and a processed-fried-pork product grease, nor do I think they would smell anything alike but they are becoming linked in my head!

No, bacon has to be the most delicious aroma ever.... and nothing remotely like the nauseating stench of decomposing human flesh.:innocent:

 

[ZsaZsa]

Yes, absolutely...why would anyone acknowlwedge a foul smell in their car...and not just once...yet fail to mention that their child had been kidnapped?

I guess the same reason she lied to Cindy about her 7 months pregnancy as being a tumor- playing for time by pacifying gullible people until she could find an escape route.

 

[RR0004]

I think Casey could have lied her way through delivery and may have planned to like all of the girls who give birth and try to hide it after the fact (some must be successful). I think that may have been Casey's intent all along.

I think Cindy confronted the issue at seven months. Therefore Casey didn't have the option of taking that lie the distance. moo

...and not to go way "off" OT, but I have firsthand knowledge of someone who did just that.
You would never have guessed that a daughter born of these parents (said tongue-in-cheek) would be the kind of girl to throw away her own child. And, she was pretty close to getting away without anyone (like her parents) knowing.
All I know as far as this case is concerned, someone's lying about the pregnancy.

 

[notthatsmart]

Well I guess we need the fbi report on the napkins and adiopocere like substance. Its not out there yet. Perhaps in the next doc dump. IMO

 

[RR0004]

Well I guess we need the fbi report on the napkins and adiopocere like substance. Its not out there yet. Perhaps in the next doc dump. IMO

...and what that has to do with dead squirrels is beyond me!

 

[BeanE]

So it is okay to think KC is lying about the squirrel, but it is illogical to think that bacon fat is commonly found in kitchen trash bags?
My opinion is that it is logical to think one might find bacon fat in a kitchen trash bag, and that KC was probably lying about the squirrel.

To me, it is reasonable to think that bacon fat is commonly found in kitchen trash bags. I am aware of enough evidence that it does not stretch my sense of logic and reasonability at all. I think most jurors would think the same.

That's not your entire conclusion though - it's just one step on the path of logic to a conclusion to be presented to jurors as an alternative explanation.

I think most jurors would get stuck, without more information, at what they would perceive as Lord of the Flies = their morning breakfast bacon.

IMO, and I fully realize I could well be wrong.

 

[thedeviledadvocate]

Fellow sleuthers, I just have an opinion, and I will hold to that opinion. I don’t think the squirrel or the lack of the squirrel will have any impact on the trial. My opinions that have come under some scrutiny, are simply my own opinions. It is evident that most disagree with my opinions. I supplied the links to support the reasoning behind my opinions, and I can do no more than that. In my opinion, I think the defense will not ask any questions about a squirrel, however, I do think the defense may ask many questions of Dr. Vass and the meaning of a fat decomposition product, like grave wax, and a lot of other questions about the trunk evidence, but that’s just me. moo

 

[BeanE]

Anyone else losing their appetite for bacon the more this discussion goes on? I of course think there is no chemical correlation between cadaver wax and a processed-fried-pork product grease, nor do I think they would smell anything alike but they are becoming linked in my head!

For years I've only eaten turkey bacon, but it will a very long time until I do again.

 

[RR0004]

Fellow sleuthers, I just have an opinion, and I will hold to that opinion. I don’t think the squirrel or the lack of the squirrel will have any impact on the trial. My opinions that have come under some scrutiny, are simply my own opinions. It is evident that most disagree with my opinions. I supplied the links to support the reasoning behind my opinions, and I can do no more than that. In my opinion, I think the defense will not ask any questions about a squirrel, however, I do think the defense may ask many questions of Dr. Vass and the meaning of a fat decomposition product, like grave wax, and a lot of other questions about the trunk evidence, but that’s just me. moo

Oh, I think it will be the State that brings up the squirrel...not the defense.

 

[Muzikman]

Fellow sleuthers, I just have an opinion, and I will hold to that opinion. I don’t think the squirrel or the lack of the squirrel will have any impact on the trial. My opinions that have come under some scrutiny, are simply my own opinions. It is evident that most disagree with my opinions. I supplied the links to support the reasoning behind my opinions, and I can do no more than that. In my opinion, I think the defense will not ask any questions about a squirrel, however, I do think the defense may ask many questions of Dr. Vass and the meaning of a fat decomposition product, like grave wax, and a lot of other questions about the trunk evidence, but that’s just me. moo

BBM -

In my opinion, the texts from Casey mentioning the Squirrel will be brought up by the PROSECUTION, as they show that Casey was aware of a TERRIBLE smell in her car, and was lying to cover up the reason for that smell.

You've done some hard work on your analysis, TDA - much more than some people have done, and that is to be commended.

However, your arguments have not convinced me, as there is too much evidence that points directly towards Casey having Caylee in the trunk of her car and causing the terrible smell that has been witnessed by numerous people as well as dogs. No squirrel involved. Or bacon fat. IMO

.

 

[amethyst221]

Fellow sleuthers, I just have an opinion, and I will hold to that opinion. I don’t think the squirrel or the lack of the squirrel will have any impact on the trial. My opinions that have come under some scrutiny, are simply my own opinions. It is evident that most disagree with my opinions. I supplied the links to support the reasoning behind my opinions, and I can do no more than that. In my opinion, I think the defense will not ask any questions about a squirrel, however, I do think the defense may ask many questions of Dr. Vass and the meaning of a fat decomposition product, like grave wax, and a lot of other questions about the trunk evidence, but that’s just me. moo

That the defense will question the opposing witnesses goes without saying. That alone does not make the subject or assumptions underlying their questions fact, or truly, reasonably challenging to the state expert's opinion, or the totality of evidence that there was a decomposing human body in contact with the car trunk. They are different things. To reach your final opinion, maybe you should spend equal time analyzing and challenging the basis for these contentions you feel the defense will make.

 

[LambChop]

I do not know of any evidence that states anything about vomit or bacon. I was just using those items to try to make sense of what I read in the docs, and reasonable possibilities as to how my conclusions may be possible. Much in the same way, when I first started following the case that I concluded that KC has a penchant for telling half truths etc. I don't always know these for a fact, and haven't found them in the docs but I reasonable conclude she may be a liar.
There are 5 components in the report that are consistant with pig (bacon), how can I reasonably think it may be bacon, because bacon is found in a kitchen, and the towel where the trace of evidence was, was found in a kitchen garbage bag. Isn't that circumstantial reasoning?

I think the squirrels were more towards the front of the car, not the trunk. This subject was covered in the trunk thread over and over and over again. I think the squirrels have the floor here. Again, KC did not hit a pig.