I heard that....but surely you KNOW that some things are NOT reported. It could be lied about just as the JFK issues are lied about...all in the name of "it is not good to the cause" to release such information!
The death of Princess Diana
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http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/10/03/diana.inquest/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
Pregnancy claim unprovable
Pregnancy claim unprovable
And the "royals" wouldn't have it any other way! I do believe she was. I also believe she was happy about it. There were people she told she was. I will try to find some links. It has been a LONG time since I have read anything about it though. We will never know all the truth anyway.
:waitasec: One of those unsolved issues that I guess will be speculated about forever in history.:bang:
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Yes, I've heard that many times. I just wish she had been! Amazing how the bodyguard survived sitting in the front. Because of wearing his seatbelt, I guess.
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I agree. When are they going to let this poor lady rest in peace and give her kids a break?:doh:
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Interesting and it makes sense when you think about it. I just seem to remember that it was something to do with the timing of the embalming with Diana.
I just found this:
http://ca.today.reuters.com/news/ne...T_0_NEWS-BRITAIN-DIANA-COL.XML&archived=False
Quote: The judge asked the jury to consider if the embalming was legal, who authorized it and whether there was an ulterior motive.
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There is always the possibility of a conspiracy...we will never know for sure either way.
I was watching a show in which they said the blood samples used to prove Henri's drunkenness were not a DNA match for him.
They have proof a Fiat was involved in the crash but have never found the car.
I was watching a show in which they said the blood samples used to prove Henri's drunkenness were not a DNA match for him.
They have proof a Fiat was involved in the crash but have never found the car.
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According to the opening statement by the Coroner, none of the four persons in the vehicle was wearing a seatbelt at the time of the crash. (I had thought that in his book, the bodyguard, Trevor Reese-Jones - now known as "Mr. Reese" - had stated that he thought he had reached down and buckled his seatbelt shortly before the car entered the Alma Tunnel, but I could be wrong about this.) Since the Coroner stated that his opening statement would be based ONLY on proveable FACTS, I guess it must be known by the emergency personell who came to the scene that the bodyguard was not wearing a seatbelt.
It is undisputed that neither Diane, Dodi or the driver were wearing seatbelts at the time of the crash. They were not wearing seatbelts. And, yes, many Diana friends have stated that she was a stickler for wearring seatbelts and ALWAYS requested that those in a vehicle with her "buckle up".
Who knows why she chose not to belt hereself on this particular drive?
Of everything I have read over the past ten years, there has been no published hint of any "tampering" with the seat belts. In fact, what I have read has specifically said that no evidence of tampering with the seatbelts was found and that they were in perfect operable condition when examined after the crash.
Re" The driver's blood samples. There has never been any published report that I am aware of that any DNA sampling mismatch has been found. What was found, more than 8 months after the crash - any only due to the persistence of Dodi's father in lobbying the French courts to make the results of the driver's blood test results public - is that in addition to a high level of alcohol and various other psychoactive drugs, Henri Paul's blood contained an extremely high level of Carbon Monoxide. This is extremely puzzling to anyone who is familiar with toxicology, because the level of CO was SO high that several independent neurologists have stated that a person with that level of Carbon Monoxide would have been severely impaired - walking unsteadily, slurred speech, etc. None of these signs and symptoms were observed in the tapes of the man taken within minutes of his death.
When questioned by reporters about the unexplained high levels of CO, the French coroner's office responded that they thought that the Carbon Monoxide had perhaps been contained in the airbag that detonated at the time of the crash. Mercedes, the manufacturer of the vehicle, made a public statement the NEXT DAY saying that neither their air bags - nor those of any other car manufacturer - contain any Carbon Monoxide.
So this particular item has been an unexplained mystery ever since the crash. Plus, testing on the other people in the car that night revealed NO Carbon Monoxide in anybody else's system.
Conspiracy theorists explain this FACT by surmising that Henri Paul's blood was switched with another dead person in the French morgue that night. Supposedly there was the body of a suicide brought into the French morgue that same night - a man who had committed suicide taking a lot of pills and then hooking up a hose from the exhaust of his car to the passenger compartment.
The FACT of the presentation of the drivers' blood as having a greater than 20 percent level of Carbon Monoxide at the time of the crash is actually the MOST suspicious fact to come out publicly so far. And yet it has gotten very little press coverage, at least here in the U.S.
I sure hope the jury members at this Coroner's Inquest get really curious about this FACT and demand more of an explanation than has been published so far.
Whether or not Diana was pregnant at the time of her death really is not an issue that can shed any factual light on whether or not there was a conspiracy. But the driver's blood work situation could. And maybe it will.
The Coroner also stated in his opening statement that while he will direct the questioning, the jurors themselves will have the opportunity to ask any questions they feel have been unanswered by a witness. He said all they have to do is to send him a note telling him what they want to ask the witness.
Link to interview with parents of Henri Paul, 5 years after the crash:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/reports/archive/international/henripaul.shtml
Link to info about CO levels:
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003371.htm
It is undisputed that neither Diane, Dodi or the driver were wearing seatbelts at the time of the crash. They were not wearing seatbelts. And, yes, many Diana friends have stated that she was a stickler for wearring seatbelts and ALWAYS requested that those in a vehicle with her "buckle up".
Who knows why she chose not to belt hereself on this particular drive?
Of everything I have read over the past ten years, there has been no published hint of any "tampering" with the seat belts. In fact, what I have read has specifically said that no evidence of tampering with the seatbelts was found and that they were in perfect operable condition when examined after the crash.
Re" The driver's blood samples. There has never been any published report that I am aware of that any DNA sampling mismatch has been found. What was found, more than 8 months after the crash - any only due to the persistence of Dodi's father in lobbying the French courts to make the results of the driver's blood test results public - is that in addition to a high level of alcohol and various other psychoactive drugs, Henri Paul's blood contained an extremely high level of Carbon Monoxide. This is extremely puzzling to anyone who is familiar with toxicology, because the level of CO was SO high that several independent neurologists have stated that a person with that level of Carbon Monoxide would have been severely impaired - walking unsteadily, slurred speech, etc. None of these signs and symptoms were observed in the tapes of the man taken within minutes of his death.
When questioned by reporters about the unexplained high levels of CO, the French coroner's office responded that they thought that the Carbon Monoxide had perhaps been contained in the airbag that detonated at the time of the crash. Mercedes, the manufacturer of the vehicle, made a public statement the NEXT DAY saying that neither their air bags - nor those of any other car manufacturer - contain any Carbon Monoxide.
So this particular item has been an unexplained mystery ever since the crash. Plus, testing on the other people in the car that night revealed NO Carbon Monoxide in anybody else's system.
Conspiracy theorists explain this FACT by surmising that Henri Paul's blood was switched with another dead person in the French morgue that night. Supposedly there was the body of a suicide brought into the French morgue that same night - a man who had committed suicide taking a lot of pills and then hooking up a hose from the exhaust of his car to the passenger compartment.
The FACT of the presentation of the drivers' blood as having a greater than 20 percent level of Carbon Monoxide at the time of the crash is actually the MOST suspicious fact to come out publicly so far. And yet it has gotten very little press coverage, at least here in the U.S.
I sure hope the jury members at this Coroner's Inquest get really curious about this FACT and demand more of an explanation than has been published so far.
Whether or not Diana was pregnant at the time of her death really is not an issue that can shed any factual light on whether or not there was a conspiracy. But the driver's blood work situation could. And maybe it will.
The Coroner also stated in his opening statement that while he will direct the questioning, the jurors themselves will have the opportunity to ask any questions they feel have been unanswered by a witness. He said all they have to do is to send him a note telling him what they want to ask the witness.
Link to interview with parents of Henri Paul, 5 years after the crash:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/reports/archive/international/henripaul.shtml
Link to info about CO levels:
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003371.htm
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Almost forgot - there was no French law that required embalming of the body. The question remains unanswered at this time as to who actually ordered the body to be "partially embalmed". This is one of the many issues this Inquest will look into.
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Today's statements by the Coroner - see morning session at website - go into the intricate details of the drug, alcohol, and carbon monoxide measurements found in the driver's postmortem blood. There were several samples taken, several days apart. Lots of discrepancies in the levels, traces of drugs found that there was no indication or evidence of them ever having been prescribed for this man. Really, really strange blood test results..........
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Seeing the picture of the crashed car on the Fox News website. I don't see how a seatbelt could have saved her or Dodie. I go along with the conspiracy theory. Diana was a big pain in the but to the House of Windsor. Besides dating the son of the most hated man in Britain, she also opposed landmines. The landmine industry is one of the largest in Britain. Not a far stretch that millions would be lost because of her opposition.
Personally, I don't believe she was in love with Dodie. She was just using him to get back at that Pakistani she was in love with.
Personally, I don't believe she was in love with Dodie. She was just using him to get back at that Pakistani she was in love with.
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From the Coroner's opening statement today, referring to the driver, Henri Paul:
"But had
23 he had anything more to drink between 7.00 pm and
24 10.00 pm? In that period, he would perhaps have been
25 entitled to assume that he would not be coming back to
1 work that evening.
2 There is, in fact, very little direct evidence as to
3 where he was and what he was doing during that period."
From an article published shortly after the crash:
"The man who drove Princess Diana to her death may have started bar-hopping at 4 o'clock that afternoon and continued to drink even after being called back to work at the Paris Ritz Hotel at 10 p.m.
Henri Paul, driver of the Mercedes in which Princess Diana was killed, visited several bars and drank several strong alcoholic beverages in the hours before the fatal wreck, according to a joint investigation by CNN and Time magazine.
Details of the investigation were reported on Sunday night's "Impact" program on CNN and in the current issue of Time. The reports the report may explain why Paul had a .175 blood alcohol level at the time of the Aug. 31 crash, which killed Paul, Princess Diana and her boyfriend, Dodi Fayed.
Paul's last hours
From their interviews and investigation, CNN and Time have put together the following scenario of Paul's last hours. This is a synopsis of their published reports:
At 3:15 p.m. Saturday, where they had flown in a private jet from Sardinia. Diana and Fayed rode from the airport in a Mercedes driven by Fayed's regular chauffeur, Philippe Dourneau, followed by Paul.
After the trip from the airport, Paul congratulated Dourneau on losing the paparazzi, a source close to the investigation quoted Dourneau as telling police.
Paul apparently drank his first alcohol that Saturday at a bar in the Ritz Hotel after he and Dourneau took the couple there at 4 p.m. Several hotel employees said that Paul drank a couple of glasses of Ricard pastis, a French liqueur about as potent as whiskey.
At 7:05 p.m., Dourneau drove Diana and Fayed from the Ritz to Fayed's apartment near the Arc de Triomphe, and Paul considered himself off duty.
He appears to have walked to Harry's New York Bar, two minutes away at 5 rue Daunou. Since the accident, the bar's manager has systematically thrown out prying reporters, and he insists that Paul was never there. But the French journalist Guilhem Battut of the Journal du Dimanche says he has interviewed two employees of the bar who positively identified photos of Paul, saying he was in Harry's the night of the accident from about 7:30 to about 9:45.
The bar manager insists Paul was not there, but one bartender said Paul had "two or three whiskeys," ate nothing while there, and left after receiving a call on his portable phone.
Paul went next to another Paris bar, the Champmesle, that he is said to have frequented. However, a bartender who placed him there told CNN and Time that he did not appear to be intoxicated and was not there long enough to have a drink.
Paul came into Champmesle late, around 10, but didn't drink anything there. He didn't have time. He had just got a call on his cell phone and announced, "Gotta go to work. See you later." He jumped into his black Austin Mini and headed to the Ritz. Surveillance-camera videotape released last week shows Paul's car pulling up in front of the Ritz.
Though there was enough space there to park a couple of moving vans, Paul curiously executed several unnecessary back-and-forth maneuvers."
Paul drank at the Ritz
Hotel security cameras showed Paul arriving back at the Ritz at 10:08 p.m. A French newspaper quoted employees at a hotel bar saying Paul drank more pastis while waiting on Fayed and Diana, who were having dinner, and that he staggered while leaving. Bar employees told CNN and Time the report was "exaggerated."
I don't understand why Coroner be stating there is "very little direct evidence" of what Paul was doing, when obviously witnesses have made statements about seeing him. Perhaps these witnesses no longer want to "be involved"?
"But had
23 he had anything more to drink between 7.00 pm and
24 10.00 pm? In that period, he would perhaps have been
25 entitled to assume that he would not be coming back to
1 work that evening.
2 There is, in fact, very little direct evidence as to
3 where he was and what he was doing during that period."
From an article published shortly after the crash:
"The man who drove Princess Diana to her death may have started bar-hopping at 4 o'clock that afternoon and continued to drink even after being called back to work at the Paris Ritz Hotel at 10 p.m.
Henri Paul, driver of the Mercedes in which Princess Diana was killed, visited several bars and drank several strong alcoholic beverages in the hours before the fatal wreck, according to a joint investigation by CNN and Time magazine.
Details of the investigation were reported on Sunday night's "Impact" program on CNN and in the current issue of Time. The reports the report may explain why Paul had a .175 blood alcohol level at the time of the Aug. 31 crash, which killed Paul, Princess Diana and her boyfriend, Dodi Fayed.
Paul's last hours
From their interviews and investigation, CNN and Time have put together the following scenario of Paul's last hours. This is a synopsis of their published reports:
At 3:15 p.m. Saturday, where they had flown in a private jet from Sardinia. Diana and Fayed rode from the airport in a Mercedes driven by Fayed's regular chauffeur, Philippe Dourneau, followed by Paul.
After the trip from the airport, Paul congratulated Dourneau on losing the paparazzi, a source close to the investigation quoted Dourneau as telling police.
Paul apparently drank his first alcohol that Saturday at a bar in the Ritz Hotel after he and Dourneau took the couple there at 4 p.m. Several hotel employees said that Paul drank a couple of glasses of Ricard pastis, a French liqueur about as potent as whiskey.
At 7:05 p.m., Dourneau drove Diana and Fayed from the Ritz to Fayed's apartment near the Arc de Triomphe, and Paul considered himself off duty.
He appears to have walked to Harry's New York Bar, two minutes away at 5 rue Daunou. Since the accident, the bar's manager has systematically thrown out prying reporters, and he insists that Paul was never there. But the French journalist Guilhem Battut of the Journal du Dimanche says he has interviewed two employees of the bar who positively identified photos of Paul, saying he was in Harry's the night of the accident from about 7:30 to about 9:45.
The bar manager insists Paul was not there, but one bartender said Paul had "two or three whiskeys," ate nothing while there, and left after receiving a call on his portable phone.
Paul went next to another Paris bar, the Champmesle, that he is said to have frequented. However, a bartender who placed him there told CNN and Time that he did not appear to be intoxicated and was not there long enough to have a drink.
Paul came into Champmesle late, around 10, but didn't drink anything there. He didn't have time. He had just got a call on his cell phone and announced, "Gotta go to work. See you later." He jumped into his black Austin Mini and headed to the Ritz. Surveillance-camera videotape released last week shows Paul's car pulling up in front of the Ritz.
Though there was enough space there to park a couple of moving vans, Paul curiously executed several unnecessary back-and-forth maneuvers."
Paul drank at the Ritz
Hotel security cameras showed Paul arriving back at the Ritz at 10:08 p.m. A French newspaper quoted employees at a hotel bar saying Paul drank more pastis while waiting on Fayed and Diana, who were having dinner, and that he staggered while leaving. Bar employees told CNN and Time the report was "exaggerated."
I don't understand why Coroner be stating there is "very little direct evidence" of what Paul was doing, when obviously witnesses have made statements about seeing him. Perhaps these witnesses no longer want to "be involved"?
I assume one of the reason Henri was drinking was that he "expected" to be off for the night, and he was not on call. Saturday night in Paris and a person would go out. What is he going to say: Sorry can't drive you, I have had too much to drink. Not a chance. I guess like other people who have had drinks before they have driven, they "thought" they are O.K. to drive, but in the end, they were not.
The Royal Family may not have been fond of Diana, but they would not "murder" the mother of the future king and leave two boys without their mother as they grow up. Remember Diana was "not a member of the Royal Family. The two boys are.
The Royal Family may not have been fond of Diana, but they would not "murder" the mother of the future king and leave two boys without their mother as they grow up. Remember Diana was "not a member of the Royal Family. The two boys are.
Diana's injuries were all internal and in her chest area, from being slamed into the seat in front of her. Damn straight the seatbelt would have saved her life! Her passenger area of the car was intact and not collapsed. The choice not to put the belt on cost her life.
This is a case of a drunk driver, no seatbelts and speed. Millions die every year around the world from the same combination.
I watched a special on television the end of August- all part of the 10 year anniversary of her death. All this was covered- the so-called switched blood samples, the Fiat that was repainted the next day and how doctors insisted on treating Diana on-scene rather than taking her to a hospital where her life could've been saved if she'd arrived earlier. Interesting but not necessarily accurate.
Cypros
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I have always been disappointed that the paparazzi were never held accountable for their contributions to the accident. Chasing people who clearly do not want to be followed or photographed is irresponsible, an invasion of privacy, and form of stalking. I think that unruly and irresponsible photographers should be charged for their role in for accidents and resulting injuries and deaths that occur when they are chasing people for no reason but personal gain.
Texana
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You said it. She would have lived, even though perhaps severely injured, with her seatbelt on. Having a drunk driver, no seatbelt, and a high speed impact--no different than thousands of other people every year who die in auto accidents. Sad, but no different. No conspiracy, just a combination of bad decisions that all came together at once.
The only part the Royals played was insisting that she be stripped of her Royal title, so that she lost the disciplined and experienced bodyguards she had throughout her marriage.
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I was watching a documentary (or maybe it was a movie) and this was brought up. Apparently it was Al-Fayed's security and Dodi who took charge that nite which upset Diana's bodyguards.
I've never understood why Henri Paul didn't disclose that he was too drunk to drive and just ask them to find someone else. He went off-duty after taking them to the hotel, so it isn't like he wasn't drinking on his own time. If another chauffeure had been driving, Diana would be alive today.
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