The elusive "other" cell phone - the Blackjack - REVISITED

[countzero]

Making my :twocents: on the blackjack comment KC made about how it needed charging.

KC lived by facebook and myspace. No doubt, everyone who actually owned and paid for service for their blackjack wrote comments on the battery charge issues.

I don't own a blackjack and I have read on one of my forums pages and pages of threads about which phones do not hold a charge. My motorola was horrible in holding a charge. One of the reasons I was able to exchange it for another phone since my original one had been replaced more than six times in a couple of months time period. Best Buy became my best friend during that time frame. We knew each other very well.

 

[Spangle]

My impression was that was to attempt to force the Anthony's to reveal Caylee's paternity by offering up a paternal source which would be so offensive to most people that they would immediately say who the real father was to defend themselves AND offer up their DNA for testing to prove it. It is also entirely possible that LP was specifically asked to make the allegation on national TV for these purposes. I believe he may well have been assisting the FBI, with whom he is known to have a good relationship, with their investigation in this case.

As stated, LP might have been helping and playing. All kinds of possibilities. Same with the phone comments.

 

[countzero]

As stated, LP might have been helping and playing. All kinds of possibilities. Same with the phone comments.

Aw, I am one of LPs biggest supporters. But like the mom I am, I know when my kids are fudging on the truth and when they are not. It ain't any different with LP. IMO he was playing good cop, bad cop with LE and the FBI trying to get info from CA/GA/LA/KC and anyone else in the A compound camp.

All he wants and wanted was the truth. Isn't that what we all want here? The truth for Caylee? The A clan and camp have never been able to distinguish between the truth in reality and the truth in their world.

You can bet that last dollar in my account, yep it is still there, that if KC had a blackjack, CA would have been waving it in front of K Belich's face, laughing the whole time telling K Belich what a Xitch she is.

But she didn't and she can't because it doesn't exist.

 

[tweety933]

OH, now I understand.....the reason CA never tried to reach the imaginanny (while Casey was MIA) is because she too had a blackjack.

 

[Brini]

Really? JP's phone was used while he was in PR? How do you know that? I hadn't heard that (but very well may have missed it). I didn't think we knew anything about JPC other than he owned the unit that RM and him lived in (later AH) and that he went to PR where his family lived and was kind enough to take his friends along. I did notice someone with the name Baez is associated with his family company. But that's another topic.

Baez is a common name.

So, you think maybe JP gave his phone to KC? Do we have evidence of that?

 

[Spangle]

How does Casey having a blackjack or not, have anything to do with the evidence in this case, either inculpatory or exculpatory?

I could see it being false exculpatory evidence if the Blackjack had it's own plan, but not if it was just used with the same sim card as her Nokia. (ie.....it would be exculpatory if the records of Imaginanny contacts were on the blackjack (with it's own plan & sim card), verses the nokia (with a seperate sim card and plan). But that was not the case, as Casey stated she used the same sim card in both. OK, maybe she saved contact info on imaginanny on the blackjack phone memory, that she NEVER utilized with the blackjack, or any other phone, but why would she save that info that she hadn't ever used?

I just don't see the relevance this discussion has, except to show how casey lies when the truth would better suit her.

Bingo! It's hard to find something she told the truth on.

IIRC the original point was because she said the Nanny's phone number was on it. When everyone was looking for the baby and the Nanny, it would have been helpful to have the Nanny's phone number to try and track her down.

Find the phone, find the number, find the Nanny, find the baby. That was what KC claimed.

I think at this point, some might believe that if 1 thing KC told was truthful, then that would make her story truthful. Which is pretty much opposite from the way most folks normally think. That if one part of a story is false, then the whole story is false.

In the court room, attys try to make witnesses seem not creditable by getting them to screw up their comments, etc.. to make it seem like something in their story is 'off' .. and which would make folks think that their whole story is off.

IF KC was found to have told 1 thing truthful.. it doesn't change that she told so many lies.

 

[Brini]

Did we ever discuss them here that you know of? If not, I wonder why.

We discussed a TON of stuff, after that 400+ page doc dump, that we all read, cover-to-cover.

But, it was a long time ago.

 

[Spangle]

Aw, I am one of LPs biggest supporters. But like the mom I am, I know when my kids are fudging on the truth and when they are not. It ain't any different with LP. IMO he was playing good cop, bad cop with LE and the FBI trying to get info from CA/GA/LA/KC and anyone else in the A compound camp.

All he wants and wanted was the truth. Isn't that what we all want here? The truth for Caylee? The A clan and camp have never been able to distinguish between the truth in reality and the truth in their world.

You can bet that last dollar in my account, yep it is still there, that if KC had a blackjack, CA would have been waving it in front of K Belich's face, laughing the whole time telling K Belich what a Xitch she is.

But she didn't and she can't because it doesn't exist.

Ah, my point was that the bases of the rumor of Grund giving KC a BJ is being stated to have come from LP. Hearsay doesn't make it factual.

I so agree that LP is just trying to get to the truth and if CA had the phone, she would be waving it in everyones face.. just like she did with the hammer.

 

[tweety933]

Alright, Imagine this scenario....CA had imaginanny's contact info, isn't that what she said in the earlier depo? So, even if the blackjack had existed with the contact info, her mother CA already had that info. How many times did CA try to reach Caylee while the two were missing for 31 days, at that contact number. When, did KC request this information from her own mother during the 31 days? Has anyone ever wondered if KC is covering for CA?

 

[countzero]

Ah, my point was that the bases of the rumor of Grund giving KC a BJ is being stated to have come from LP. Hearsay doesn't make it factual.

I so agree that LP is just trying to get to the truth and if CA had the phone, she would be waving it in everyones face.. just like she did with the hammer.

Oh snap. Forgot all about the hammer episode in front of the garage on a starry, starry, night oh so long ago.

 

[countzero]

Alright, Imagine this scenario....CA had imaginanny's contact info, isn't that what she said in the earlier depo? So, even if the blackjack had existed with the contact info, her mother CA already had that info. How many times did CA try to reach Caylee while the two were missing for 31 days, at that contact number. When, did KC request this information from her own mother during the 31 days? Has anyone ever wondered if KC is covering for CA?

Wondered, heck I wrote a thesis on it ......:crazy: yes, I posed a scenario about it not too long ago. Wherein, during the fight on 6.15.08 there was a huge, by KC standards, fight and Caylee was collateral damage, being murdered by CA and/or KC. Each blaming the other. The coverup plan was created, part 1 which KC failed to follow. The car was abandoned and part 2 of the cover up was initiated. Parts 3,4,5,6,7 and the following parts are all ever evolving.

But that is another thread, not this one, sorry.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Baez is a common name.

So, you think maybe JP gave his phone to KC? Do we have evidence of that?

No. I think it's a possibility that KC stole a bunch of stuff from his place - AH's money, JP's keys and phone, RM's pot (kidding!) - you know, anything she felt like she needed right before her "friends" left for their various trips/PR. Until we hear what JPC has to say, as he is on the state's list, we can only speculate. I think it's strange that the first thing JP did upon return from his trip was to go buy a new phone. If KC did steal his phone, that's not his fault. I'm curious why we haven't heard from him though are you?

OT but someone is coming up with cash to pay for KC's defense (the off camera session in March). JPC and family seem rather well off and may have a connection to Baez due to their heritage and same name associated with JP's family business. It's possible but I have no proof - only thinking about links and possibilites, etc.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Alright, Imagine this scenario....CA had imaginanny's contact info, isn't that what she said in the earlier depo? So, even if the blackjack had existed with the contact info, her mother CA already had that info. How many times did CA try to reach Caylee while the two were missing for 31 days, at that contact number. When, did KC request this information from her own mother during the 31 days? Has anyone ever wondered if KC is covering for CA?

Don't get me started. It's been mentioned and, in my wildest scenario, I propose that it's possible. The ultimate sociopathic story. But this is the wrong place to discuss it and noone has tried to prove or disprove it earnestly. Want to? (not tonight for me tho)

 

[Woe.be.gone]

OH, now I understand.....the reason CA never tried to reach the imaginanny (while Casey was MIA) is because she too had a blackjack.

that's the ticket! it's hard to make phone calls using imaginary stuff - ha!

 

[Woe.be.gone]

We discussed a TON of stuff, after that 400+ page doc dump, that we all read, cover-to-cover.

But, it was a long time ago.

I know but, seriously, I don't remember that about JPC's phone records. I can do a search (maybe) at another time - which is tedious and I'm confident that LE has information that we don't. We like beating our heads against the wall - we're sadists I tell you!!!!!

 

[Brini]

No. I think it's a possibility that KC stole a bunch of stuff from his place - AH's money, JP's keys and phone, RM's pot (kidding!) - you know, anything she felt like she needed right before her "friends" left for their various trips/PR. Until we hear what JPC has to say, as he is on the state's list, we can only speculate. I think it's strange that the first thing JP did upon return from his trip was to go buy a new phone. If KC did steal his phone, that's not his fault. I'm curious why we haven't heard from him though are you?

OT but someone is coming up with cash to pay for KC's defense (the off camera session in March). JPC and family seem rather well off and may have a connection to Baez due to their heritage and same name associated with JP's family business. It's possible but I have no proof - only thinking about links and possibilites, etc.

Well, LE does have JP's phone record. They got everybody's phone records.

What would JP have to do with the crime?

 

[Brini]

My impression was that was to attempt to force the Anthony's to reveal Caylee's paternity by offering up a paternal source which would be so offensive to most people that they would immediately say who the real father was to defend themselves AND offer up their DNA for testing to prove it. It is also entirely possible that LP was specifically asked to make the allegation on national TV for these purposes. I believe he may well have been assisting the FBI, with whom he is known to have a good relationship, with their investigation in this case.

Could be.

But, I think he was just speculating, becuase he took it back, later.

But, you never know with LP.

There's no reason to trick the As into revealing paternity, if they know. The bio fa had nothing to do with the crime.

 

[Brini]

Aw, I am one of LPs biggest supporters. But like the mom I am, I know when my kids are fudging on the truth and when they are not. It ain't any different with LP. IMO he was playing good cop, bad cop with LE and the FBI trying to get info from CA/GA/LA/KC and anyone else in the A compound camp.

All he wants and wanted was the truth. Isn't that what we all want here? The truth for Caylee? The A clan and camp have never been able to distinguish between the truth in reality and the truth in their world.

You can bet that last dollar in my account, yep it is still there, that if KC had a blackjack, CA would have been waving it in front of K Belich's face, laughing the whole time telling K Belich what a Xitch she is.

But she didn't and she can't because it doesn't exist.

I love LP.

But, there are times when I want to climb up in his lap and hug him for being the sugar bear that he is. And, there are times I want to stuff a sock in his pie hole.

 

[Brini]

I know but, seriously, I don't remember that about JPC's phone records. I can do a search (maybe) at another time - which is tedious and I'm confident that LE has information that we don't. We like beating our heads against the wall - we're sadists I tell you!!!!!

BG!

TELL me about it, WBG!

A year or so ago, we had all these 600 pages of doc dump almost memorized.

We put our whole lives on hold to do that, for weeks.

And we debated the most trivial and meaningless details you can even imagine.

But, it was FUN!:blowkiss:

 

[Intermezzo]

The are only two things of interest about the Blackjack, if Casey had one, would be whether or not there were different phone numbers on it than those numbers on Casey's SIM card and the phone she gave police, specifically a phone number for ZFG. Secondarily, if it could be proven that Casey did have a Blackjack, then we would also know she wasn't lying about having one.

At this stage in the case IF a Blackjack phone was found (and I do not believe she ever owned one) and a phone number was found with a ZFG listed what do you think it will prove? Other than she told the true about an object.

You don't need a phone nor a phone number to prove a person exists.