The Incinerator #2

[swedie]

Wouldn't it just seem the norm anyone who set up a date interested in taking your vehicle on a test drive or checking it over would come knocking at your door? Especially when they didn't show at the arranged time? It would seem the norm to me they would knock/ring bell and either SB or TB would have answer the door. Women may tend to be a bit more leery about asking someone to step into their home, but men I don't believe typically see these situations that way. I could see TB answering the door and inviting them to step inside while he got dressed and gathered the necessary things such as key, wallet ect. I'm sure if SB was within close proximity she probably engaged them in conversation. It's obvious she knew where Tim was going and what he was doing as she said, "He smiled at me and said he would be right back. I have not seen him since," she said. "It was just a truck, a stupid truck. You don't need him, but I do. Our daughter needs her daddy. Please let him come home."

I have a feeling SB watched them all get into TB's truck and head down the driveway. Once at the bottom of the driveway, MS got out and drove DM's Yukon, following TB's truck. MOO

Bosma was reported missing near his home on Monday after two men arrived to take his truck, which he had posted for sale online, for a test drive. He was last seen with the two men in his truck.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...e-arrest-in-tim-bosma-investigation-1.1323654

 

[Somegirl]

From everything I've read, the posts lead one to believe that S was the brains behind building the engine but that his boss was "the boss" and had final say in everything and only cared about speed and horsepower. MOO

 

[Somegirl]

I will add to my previous post 122 that there was also mention of a street car they were working so maybe the AFR parts were for that...

Quote: Hey 2fastCobra, I see you are running AFR 225 heads.. Do you think AFR 205 heads would be good for my setup or should I go to 225 heads like yours? This car will be mostly street driven, not much track use.. Maybe the odd blast down the 1/4 mile to settle a bet.. Would the 225's be too much for a street car. As far as the turbo goes I talked to the guys at Turbonetics and they said it would make 1000 Crank Hp.. I think the boss will be happy so long as its over 900 Hp at the wheels.. So long as he hears 1000Hp somewhere he should be happy.. You think it would be able to do that?
Thanks
S

 

[Variant]

I will add to my previous post 122 that there was also mention of a street car they were working so maybe the AFR parts were for that...

Quote: Hey 2fastCobra, I see you are running AFR 225 heads.. Do you think AFR 205 heads would be good for my setup or should I go to 225 heads like yours? This car will be mostly street driven, not much track use.. Maybe the odd blast down the 1/4 mile to settle a bet.. Would the 225's be too much for a street car. As far as the turbo goes I talked to the guys at Turbonetics and they said it would make 1000 Crank Hp.. I think the boss will be happy so long as its over 900 Hp at the wheels.. So long as he hears 1000Hp somewhere he should be happy.. You think it would be able to do that?
Thanks
S

Could be. A lot of racers put Chevy engines into racing Jeeps, but S was referring to racing with the Jeep inline 6. It appears that he wasn't that knowledgeable about racing mechanics and may explain why they didn't do well in the Baja.

 

[Alethea Dice]

<MODSNIP>

Are we now doubting they even were seen by SB or that they even actually showed up there? She said she saw him smile at her, I'd say to a sane, logical and reasonable person(like a jury pool ) that narrows it down to a few feet eh?

rsbm

I have to disagree that SB said she saw DM smile at her. What she said was "the devil led the vilest form of evil down my driveway and it smiled at me before taking Tim away."

Just keeping the facts clear.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2882904-bosma-memorial-it-could-have-happened-to-anyone-/

Her statement can be read in different ways, of course, by different people. IMO, she was saying 'evil' smiled at her, a figure of speech. I think if she was specifically talking about DM smiling, she would would have said 'and he smiled at me'.

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

Thanks Somegirl .. I had been looking for that post

And just for the record, it was made on the ff forum July 7 2011, so it further supports that the hangar was being used to accommodate DM's "toys" back in the day.

I didn't know there was ever any question about them working on the cars and Jeep back then, in the Pearson airport. That's where the majority of the pictures were taken.

The Waterloo hangar wasn't finished until February 2012. The building permit was only approved in July of 2011.

Wayne Millard, father of Dellen Millard, negotiated the hangar lease. The building permit was approved July 18, 2011. The hangar was declared fit for occupancy Feb. 23, 2012.

http://metronews.ca/news/kitchener/688568/waterloo-region-spent-5-4m-on-millardair/

According to Canadian Skies, an aviation magazine, the airline moved their base to the Region of Waterloo International Airport in 2012 after its lease at Pearson expired.

http://www.torontoupdate.com/2013/05/police-guarding-hangar-at-waterloo-airport-in-relation-to-missing-hamilton-man-case/

JMO

 

[swedie]

<MODSNIP>

On IDing suspects.......ever dawn on anyone that DM & MS are in jail, with no bail so far, simply based on things like you mentioned? Eyewitness ID... hair color scars, tattoos or facial features, likely while on SB's property and others? That and other evidence?

They are in jail for a reason. The eyewitnesses saw them. The evidence points to them. They haven't denied anything, simply that there is a "story." In our system they get an opportunity to tell their "story" and have their lawyer try his best to get a jury to forget the evidence and accept an induced by him reasonable doubt.

Are we now doubting they even were seen by SB or that they even actually showed up there? She said she saw him smile at her, I'd say to a sane, logical and reasonable person(like a jury pool ) that narrows it down to a few feet eh?

Oh, and let DP hammer SB on the witness stand over the same trivial BS, about window panes or country darkness, etc., then you can likely kiss that jury bye-bye. Surely DP is smarter than that???

I seriously doubt it will come to SB taking the stand, but if it does it is almost a no win for DP & Co.

AA like your logic, thank you. Oh I can only imagine what their story will be. Then again, we will probably never hear their story just as we never got to hear MR's story. Then to make matters worse the sick after sentencing wanted to meet Tori's mom alone to tell her his story. Talk about twisted and manipulative. Yep there always is their story; more honestly put, their lies. Maybe their story will be TB held them at gunpoint/knifepoint and tried to steal that bag full of loot DM was carrying on him for a quick road side sale, which has been suggested. :floorlaugh: Self defense sorta deal you know But in all seriousness, we usually don't get their story. It will only be DP doing a big of cross examination. I will not be surprised if there are no opening or closing remarks from DP or any witnesses called either.

IMHO it's hard to say whether SB will take the stand. If evidence is strong, the Crown will probably not ask her to. The Crown will make it clear in their opening statements as to how it came to be she was able to ID the accused. Then again, to bring it all home for the jurors, the Crown may want her to take the stand. She may want to take the stand. So hard to predict. JMHO.

DP says there's a story, DD said people don't know the full story. IMO, of course there's a story, hello?!! Just typical defense babble. And at the end of the day; DD believed MR was guilty, he was just doing his job providing MR his right to a fair trial. DM and MS will get their fair trial in due time.

Derstine has stressed to reporters several times the public does not know the full story of the case.

&#8220;The allegations in this case are horrible. It&#8217;s very important everybody keep an open mind and not rush to judgment. Many different people can form various scenarios in their minds about what may have happened or what could have happened.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2012/03/01/19448151.html

 

[Sillybilly]

I didn't know there was ever any question about them working on the cars and Jeep back then, in the Pearson airport. That's where the majority of the pictures were taken.

<rsbm>

I never said it was in question, just thought it was a date that further supports the fact, and was a date given by the mechanic with specific reference to his involvement in the automotive activities. As neither a date nor a link were provided in Somegirl's post, I was providing the date for future reference.

 

[Snoofo]

<rsbm>

I never said it was in question, just thought it was a date that further supports the fact, and was a date given by the mechanic with specific reference to his involvement in the automotive activities. As neither a date nor a link were provided in Somegirl's post, I was providing the date for future reference.

I think when using the term "further supports the fact", it sounds like the fact was in question and required further support. I read it the same way as AD and was preparing my response about the status of MdAir hangars as of 07/11 (that it was never disputed and it must have been Pearson) when I scrolled down and saw AD beat me to it.

Hth,so you can see where AD was coming from (I think, and excuse me if I am wrong AD). Thx.

 

[Sillybilly]

I think when using the term "further supports the fact", it sounds like the fact was in question and required further support. I read it the same way as AD and was preparing my response about the status of MdAir hangars as of 07/11 (that it was never disputed and it must have been Pearson) when I scrolled down and saw AD beat me to it.

Hth,so you can see where AD was coming from (I think, and excuse me if I am wrong AD). Thx.

... and I believe I clarified that. I don't know how much more clarification of my clarification is required.

 

[Snoofo]

I merely pointed out how it was easy to read it the one way in the first place. Didn't ask for anything more.

Top o' the morning to you, Silly Billy!

 

[robynhood]

Wouldn't it just seem the norm anyone who set up a date interested in taking your vehicle on a test drive or checking it over would come knocking at your door? Especially when they didn't show at the arranged time? It would seem the norm to me they would knock/ring bell and either SB or TB would have answer the door. Women may tend to be a bit more leery about asking someone to step into their home, but men I don't believe typically see these situations that way. I could see TB answering the door and inviting them to step inside while he got dressed and gathered the necessary things such as key, wallet ect. I'm sure if SB was within close proximity she probably engaged them in conversation. It's obvious she knew where Tim was going and what he was doing as she said, "He smiled at me and said he would be right back. I have not seen him since," she said. "It was just a truck, a stupid truck. You don't need him, but I do. Our daughter needs her daddy. Please let him come home."

I have a feeling SB watched them all get into TB's truck and head down the driveway. Once at the bottom of the driveway, MS got out and drove DM's Yukon, following TB's truck. MOO

Bosma was reported missing near his home on Monday after two men arrived to take his truck, which he had posted for sale online, for a test drive. He was last seen with the two men in his truck.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...e-arrest-in-tim-bosma-investigation-1.1323654

You described EXACTLY how I see the test drive night....SB would have watched them leave aster the left the HOUSE....I also see motion detector flood lights turning on as they walked by that long driveway....I have them in my house and they light the whole area near the house....MOST PPL living in the country have them .....IF a stranger couls come for a test drive ...SB would have been PRESENT .thanks for your detailed explanation....seemed OBVIOUS to me from the quotes you posted and I read online ....mentioned in several articles..

LE found DM easily for SB description and that large man who went on that test drive the SUNDAY before TB ( DAY BEFORE)....it led right to DM ....and evidence of DM involvement ( so much...I mentioned numerous times) ....has him in JAIL as posted earler BY AC here....her ya go DM .& SM>>>>:jail:...robynhood.

 

[Juballee]

Snoofo and BQ you were asking for a link from Robynhood in your recent posts. Hope you don't mind me providing a link for you Robyn. HTH.

Seems pretty clear to me they were in TB and SB's house. Otherwise it wouldn't have been written up so precisely. The writer would have said leaving his property or leaving in his truck or something other then exacting the word house in the sentence. Notice it says with two men also...To be leaving his house, one would have to go out the door. I believe this information may have come from SB. MOO and HTH.

Bosma went missing on May 6, after leaving his house with two men who'd arranged to test drive the pickup truck he'd advertised for sale online.

http://www.cambridgetimes.ca/news-story/4075708-jail-visits-with-tim-bosma-s-accused-killers/

I am sorry, but I don't see anything in this quote to indicate that three men walked out of a door after being inside a house together. I think it would take a great stretch of the English language to imply that inference from this quote.

<modsnip>, but from the beginning, no one ever said that they entered TB's home. I think if they had, LE could have gotten fingerprints off of the door knobs, and SB would have said that they were in her home. She did not say that they were in her home, she said they were in her driveway, according to her often repeated quote. Unless you have some knowledge that contradicts SB's statement? In which case, please share it with us, and include links to prove it's veracity.

 

[robynhood]

rofl...IMO>>>I am that they have all the fingerprints they want in TB truck ...DM drove it ...or shall we deny that too?.....LE can play video off suvillence camras in court...as they did say it was caught ...posted here on threads....robynhood.

 

[swedie]

I am sorry, but I don't see anything in this quote to indicate that three men walked out of a door after being inside a house together. I think it would take a great stretch of the English language to imply that inference from this quote.

<modsnip>, but from the beginning, no one ever said that they entered TB's home. I think if they had, LE could have gotten fingerprints off of the door knobs, and SB would have said that they were in her home. She did not say that they were in her home, she said they were in her driveway, according to her often repeated quote. Unless you have some knowledge that contradicts SB's statement? In which case, please share it with us, and include links to prove it's veracity.

I am choosing to believe from that article and my own common sense DM and MS were in TB and SB's house (probably just in the entrance way) that night. I don't believe it takes a rocket scientist to figure someone opened the door from inside and allowed them to enter, and then closing the door behind them. Upon leaving TB could have been the one to open the door via door knob, therefore leaving no fingerprints from DM and MS as you insinuate. HTH.

Because every minute detail has not been shared with the MSM, does that mean it didn't happen? From what I know, this is sleuthing and opinions, speculations and theories are permitted and welcomed. I think the nitpicking is a bit of much (on numerous posts), and irrelevant on this point. I provided a clear link which stated TB left his house with the two dudes awaiting trial. IMHO it's not a stretch, it's simple English; very simplistic those six words; leaving his HOUSE with two men. Take what you want from it as that is your prerogative. The fact DM and MS were positively IDed by the BO and SB and their descriptions of both matched (other then BO IDing tattoos) is enough to prove they were the ones who showed up at TB's residence and left with TB the night he was murdered. And also what appears pretty obvious to me; the ones who murdered TB that night. They are the two dudes sitting in jail, remaining silent, awaiting their fair trial.

The fact LE have not shared with MSM as to whether the incinerator was used or not, and the fact they stated how they came to the conclusion it was TB's remains, not revealing how they were able to ID him because they are protecting evidence, is a great example of how LE are going to make certain the accused murderers are going to get their fair trial. Another great example is the fact SB cannot come right out and tell the public she is certain it was DM and MS who showed up at her door that night. I am sure she would love to say so much more, but she also wants some sort of justice for her beloved husband, the father to their little girl and probably more than anything, justice served on the two accused.

IMHO you'll have to wait just like the rest of us to get those minute details, but in the meantime I will continue to post my theories, opinions and speculations so I HTH and ALL :moo:

 

[swedie]

Take from these articles what you want. JMO.

On May 6, husband and father Tim Bosma, 32, left his Ancaster house with two men &#8212; one of whom police allege was Millard &#8212; for a test drive in a 2007 Dodge Ram 3500 pickup truck he'd been trying to sell online.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/05/19/tim_bosma_neighbours_miss_millards_quiet_mother.html

The next day, on May 6, Bosma left his rural home with two men for the test drive. Bosma owned a 2007 Dodge Ram 3500 with a Cummins engine. He never returned.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2..._attempted_third_test_drive_of_dodge_ram.html

A day before they went to Bosma's Ancaster home, the two men are believed to have visited another man with a nearly identical truck &#8212; also for sale online &#8212; in Etobicoke.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/3238686-many-unanswered-questions-in-bosma-murder-case/

 

[SnooperDuper]

Take from these articles what you want. JMO.

On May 6, husband and father Tim Bosma, 32, left his Ancaster house with two men — one of whom police allege was Millard — for a test drive in a 2007 Dodge Ram 3500 pickup truck he'd been trying to sell online.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/05/19/tim_bosma_neighbours_miss_millards_quiet_mother.html

The next day, on May 6, Bosma left his rural home with two men for the test drive. Bosma owned a 2007 Dodge Ram 3500 with a Cummins engine. He never returned.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2..._attempted_third_test_drive_of_dodge_ram.html

A day before they went to Bosma's Ancaster home, the two men are believed to have visited another man with a nearly identical truck — also for sale online — in Etobicoke.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/3238686-many-unanswered-questions-in-bosma-murder-case/

I don't think you can gleqan anything from these quotes. e.g.,

I went to his house to watch a movie (implies you're inside)

I went to his house to leave flowers (implies your outside)

 

[swedie]

I don't think you can gleqan anything from these quotes. e.g.,

I went to his house to watch a movie (implies you're inside)

I went to his house to leave flowers (implies your outside)

What other alternative would there be may I ask? They showed up at his door and then waited outside for TB? That is probable also. Maybe they waited at the bottom of the laneway by DM's Yukon or by TB's truck? They obviously had to notify TB they were there, therefore I assume they proceeded to knock on the door or ring the doorbell. And I do not think it would be strange for them to be invited to step inside as I suggested in previous posts. The point being; DM and MS were on TB and SB's property or in their home, obviously long enough, close enough, SB was able to give a darn good description of them to LE. Lighting conditions were sufficient enough she even able to determine the colours of the shirts worn by the accused, that DM was wearing blue jeans, the type of shoes worn by DM, colour of hair of both and she also noticed DM was unshaven. Not to mention their approximate ages which IMO would be very hard to determine if you were not close enough to make that guess kwim. HTH and MOO.

The first man is described as white, six foot one inches to six foot two inches tall, about 180 lbs, in his mid 20s with short, light- to medium-brown hair. He was unshaven and was wearing blue jeans, a long-sleeved orange shirt and running shoes.

The other man is described as five foot nine inches to five foot 10 inches tall with a small to medium build, in his early to mid-20s. He had dark hair and was wearing a red hooded sweater with the hood up over his head.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...e-arrest-in-tim-bosma-investigation-1.1323654

 

[Alethea Dice]

I don't think you can gleqan anything from these quotes. e.g.,

I went to his house to watch a movie (implies you're inside)

I went to his house to leave flowers (implies your outside)

Exactly. It means they didn't go to or leave from the post office or the corner store or anywhere else. They met at, and left from, TB's home.

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

What other alternative would there be may I ask? They showed up at his door and then waited outside for TB? That is probable also. Maybe they waited at the bottom of the laneway by DM's Yukon or by TB's truck? They obviously had to notify TB they were there, therefore I assume they proceeded to knock on the door or ring the doorbell. And I do not think it would be strange for them to be invited to step inside as I suggested in previous posts. The point being; DM and MS were on TB and SB's property or in their home, obviously long enough, close enough, SB was able to give a darn good description of them to LE. Lighting conditions were sufficient enough she even able to determine the colours of the shirts worn by the accused, that DM was wearing blue jeans, the type of shoes worn by DM, colour of hair of both and she also noticed DM was unshaven. Not to mention their approximate ages which IMO would be very hard to determine if you were not close enough to make that guess kwim. HTH and MOO.

The first man is described as white, six foot one inches to six foot two inches tall, about 180 lbs, in his mid 20s with short, light- to medium-brown hair. He was unshaven and was wearing blue jeans, a long-sleeved orange shirt and running shoes.

The other man is described as five foot nine inches to five foot 10 inches tall with a small to medium build, in his early to mid-20s. He had dark hair and was wearing a red hooded sweater with the hood up over his head.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...e-arrest-in-tim-bosma-investigation-1.1323654

Actually, I think it would be much more likely that they waited outside. Personally, I would find it very strange if two complete strangers were invited to wait inside while he grabbed the keys, especially with a wife and small child to think of. But that's just me. He knew they were coming, even if they were late, so he could very well have been watching for them and they didn't even have to knock on the door. They had each other's phone numbers and may have called to say they were running late and he would still be watching for them, more so because it was getting later at night and he would be anxious for them to arrive.

In any event, the point was that it was stated that SB saw him inside the house. The way it was stated sounded like it was a "fact" and so a link was requested. It has since become obvious that no link can be found, and it is the poster's own opinion, as everyone is entitled to. Although it would make a difference on how clearly he was seen, I doubt it will make much difference at the trial either way.

JMO