The Incinerator

[Juballee]

I wish I had some faith in the Media, I have yet to see a single article that doesn't contain at least one factual error, so I would take the 'burned in a barrel' quote with a grain of salt at this point. It could very well be that Clewley has some inside information and is the only one to have let it slip, or it could be that he has no idea either way. But if it were true that TB was burned in a barrel, it would really make me think that the person who lit the fire had no idea at that point that an actual incinerator was so conveniently nearby.

 

[Alethea Dice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vFDhn6rOuBA#at=1173 In this interview @ 16:36 Gary Clewley says that Tim Bosma was "burned in a barrel" Clewley is billed as a "prominent defence lawyer. However, he mainly defends rogue cops, and therefore has a very different relationship to police from most of the defence bar. I am left wondering if he mispoke, or if one of his buddies gave him some inside info?

I think he was just paraphrasing due to the common assumption that, since an incinerator was found and TB was burned, the incinerator must have been used. The "barrel" he is referring to is more than likely the incinerator.

JMO

 

[Blomquist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vFDhn6rOuBA#at=1173 In this interview @ 16:36 Gary Clewley says that Tim Bosma was "burned in a barrel" Clewley is billed as a "prominent defence lawyer. However, he mainly defends rogue cops, and therefore has a very different relationship to police from most of the defence bar. I am left wondering if he mispoke, or if one of his buddies gave him some inside info?

Or maybe spinning a yarn to help his buddies.... maybe they need a hand with the charges/warrant disclosure etc etc... JMO.

 

[Sillybilly]

I wish I had some faith in the Media, I have yet to see a single article that doesn't contain at least one factual error, so I would take the 'burned in a barrel' quote with a grain of salt at this point. It could very well be that Clewley has some inside information and is the only one to have let it slip, or it could be that he has no idea either way. But if it were true that TB was burned in a barrel, it would really make me think that the person who lit the fire had no idea at that point that an actual incinerator was so conveniently nearby.

When I was growing up, an incinerator was a barrel in the back yard. Had I no knowledge of the specifics of this case and heard someone was burned in an incinerator, I would not automatically think it was a $15,000+/- piece of equipment with a huge propane cylinder, all of which was hauled in by trailer from out-of-province.

JMO

 

[Juballee]

When I hear incinerator, I would have thought of a large industrial machine for burning trash, and now I wonder if perhaps it was bought with the thought to use it to burn rubbish instead of paying someone to remove it.

Someone mentioned here that his uncle has a veterinarian clinic in Woodbridge, so although it is a good distance away, I also wonder if it was intended to cremate dead pets for the uncle. I remember when my cat died I was completely shocked by the cost to have her cremated, perhaps it was going to be a sideline business. I know some of my wealthier friends will sometimes fund the startup for a friend's small business, though this would be an unusual one. I also recall someone mentioning in an earlier thread about how the farmers used to be paid to have their dead stock taken to the rendering plant, but now the farmers must pay someone to do it. I don't really imagine its a very competitive market either, maybe some people would hear that and think that there is money to be made there. Of course that is just my opinion based on the cost of one dead cat quite a few years ago, perhaps it has gotten cheaper.

 

[Blomquist]

When I hear incinerator, I would have thought of a large industrial machine for burning trash, and now I wonder if perhaps it was bought with the thought to use it to burn rubbish instead of paying someone to remove it.

Someone mentioned here that his uncle has a veterinarian clinic in Woodbridge, so although it is a good distance away, I also wonder if it was intended to cremate dead pets for the uncle. I remember when my cat died I was completely shocked by the cost to have her cremated, perhaps it was going to be a sideline business. I know some of my wealthier friends will sometimes fund the startup for a friend's small business, though this would be an unusual one. I also recall someone mentioning in an earlier thread about how the farmers used to be paid to have their dead stock taken to the rendering plant, but now the farmers must pay someone to do it. I don't really imagine its a very competitive market either, maybe some people would hear that and think that there is money to be made there. Of course that is just my opinion based on the cost of one dead cat quite a few years ago, perhaps it has gotten cheaper.

The cost of cat cremation and such is very expensive.... thank you for mentioning that DM's uncle has a vets clinic..I had forgotten that.

I don't think this incinerator is anything to do with this case JMO....but it has caused a distraction be it deliberate or otherwise MOO

 

[Archangel7]

Cat cremation wouldn't be quite as profitable as respooling a Pratt and Whitney, Rolls Royce or General Electric Airplane engine for Corporate Airlines. Of course that's just my opinion.

If the incinerator wasn't used, then it's because they had the guts to jump and kill an unknown man but then whimped out when it came to using the incinerator. That would be the only reason the incinerator wasn't used. Punks enough to jump a man in a truck from behind, but not man enough to use the incinerator?

Not reasonably believable that the incinerator went unused. IMO

 

[Blomquist]

No-one is saying solely cat cremation.... pets in general would obviously be the busines for pet cremation. No-one is saying this is a fact...merely sleuthing.

But I agree, if we are considering OC to be involved I don't imagine pet cremation would be up their alley so to speak..... unlike the more profitable engines and expensive parts that could be their line of business...or at least one of their lines of business.

I don't imagine a cold blooded murderer would wimp out at anything.... especially an OC hitman.

Is it known that TB was jumped from behind ??? I doubt he was even jumped JMO more like a n OC take down IMO

It is perfectly reasonably believable that the incinerator was unused in this case..IMO.. to use it would have meant chopping up the body and feeding parts to the machine IMO we are told the incinerator did not have a wide enough opening to throw in a tall man.. To me that would be time consuming and if the only reason for burning was to remove the murderers forensic evidence then total incineration would not be necessary JMO

Gasoline and a few matches would have removed their evidence IMO

 

[Archangel7]

That may have been the assumption they made also.

 

[Juballee]

Cat cremation wouldn't be quite as profitable as respooling a Pratt and Whitney, Rolls Royce or General Electric Airplane engine for Corporate Airlines. Of course that's just my opinion.

If the incinerator wasn't used, then it's because they had the guts to jump and kill an unknown man but then whimped out when it came to using the incinerator. That would be the only reason the incinerator wasn't used. Punks enough to jump a man in a truck from behind, but not man enough to use the incinerator?

Not reasonably believable that the incinerator went unused. IMO

Hi Archangel, I have to disagree with you there, I think the only way the incinerator wouldn't have been used was if the person or people destroying the body didn't know it was there. In my opinion, it would be completely senseless to pick an open burning among the elements, with so little control, where people could see actual flames lighting up the night, and only want to burn off the outermost layers (I sincerely apologize for how disgusting this all sounds) of DNA evidence when there was a perfectly viable option to do a better job with none of those complications, with an optimal tool at hand. To me that is like saying, 'I need to drive this nail into a wall, but instead of using this hammer right here, I'm going to use my shoe, even if it is only a flip-flop'. This wasn't an arts and crafts project, this was a matter of get everything right or go to jail for life. The only possible way that I could ever imagine someone not using the proper tool at hand would be if they didn't know about it.

If DM ordered the incinerator to dispose of LB as many here have proposed, why would he be too squeamish to use it a second time? I think logically, it can't be both ways; it cannot be that he is a 'punk' who killed LB and incinerated her remains so thoroughly that there is no trace, yet he must have 'wimped out' when it came to doing it again. That just doesn't make sense logically, in my opinion. Therefore, if DM killed TB and didn't use the incinerator, then it stands to reason that he was unaware of it, and that it was not bought because he needed to dispose of LB, which then makes him look far less suspicious in LB's disappearance from what I can see.

And it just occurred to me to wonder on the timeline of when SL went public with DM's possible connection in LB's disappearance. Does anyone know when he came forward with the story of bringing the phone records to the police last year? I seem to recall it being some time after DM was a household name. I wonder why he waited and didn't come out with it as soon as he heard DM's name on the news in connection to another disappearance?

 

[Alethea Dice]

SL's first media interview was on May 17th. I have no idea how soon he went back to the police about the phone records.

http://www.cp24.com/police-probe-link-between-bosma-suspect-missing-woman-1.1286890

 

[ellie b]

Originally Posted by Archangel7

Not reasonably believable that the incinerator went unused. IMO

MO also

 

[Blomquist]

MO also

Who are you quoting?

 

[Archangel7]

I can tell you that dismemberment is a rare thing in homicide. I would guess it's even more rare in Canada. Even Paul Bernardo testified in court just how hard and disgusting it is to dismember a human and the was a DIAGNOSED psychopath.

However it tells a lot about the current killers and conditions.

IMO even OC isn't big on it, it leaves too much evidence of a crime. They want to do kill the target in public and leave, disposing of any evidence on exit or kill in private and dispose of a whole body.
IIRC only about 5% of homicide involve dismemberment anyway.

Here's a good article. Read it with the Bosma murder in mind.
http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2012/08/31/dismemberment_still_a_rarity_in_canada.html

 

[Archangel7]

Who are you quoting?

Who are you asking?

 

[Alethea Dice]

I can tell you that dismemberment is a rare thing in homicide. I would guess it's even more rare in Canada. Even Paul Bernardo testified in court just how hard and disgusting it is to dismember a human and the was a DIAGNOSED psychopath.

However it tells a lot about the current killers and conditions.

IMO even OC isn't big on it, it leaves too much evidence of a crime. They want to do kill the target in public and leave, disposing of any evidence on exit or kill in private and dispose of a whole body.
IIRC only about 5% of homicide involve dismemberment anyway.

Here's a good article. Read it with the Bosma murder in mind.
http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2012/08/31/dismemberment_still_a_rarity_in_canada.html

Interesting last paragraph in your link.

“A stranger who doesn’t know you but kills you … and believes that they cannot be tied to you as a suspect, they don’t tend to go to that kind of effort to dispose of the body,” O’Toole said. “But when somebody goes through this kind of an effort, the circle of possible suspects become smaller and smaller.”

 

[Eldee]

No-one is saying solely cat cremation.... pets in general would obviously be the busines for pet cremation. No-one is saying this is a fact...merely sleuthing.

But I agree, if we are considering OC to be involved I don't imagine pet cremation would be up their alley so to speak..... unlike the more profitable engines and expensive parts that could be their line of business...or at least one of their lines of business.

I don't imagine a cold blooded murderer would wimp out at anything.... especially an OC hitman.

Is it known that TB was jumped from behind ??? I doubt he was even jumped JMO more like a n OC take down IMO

It is perfectly reasonably believable that the incinerator was unused in this case..IMO.. to use it would have meant chopping up the body and feeding parts to the machine IMO we are told the incinerator did not have a wide enough opening to throw in a tall man.. To me that would be time consuming and if the only reason for burning was to remove the murderers forensic evidence then total incineration would not be necessary JMO

Gasoline and a few matches would have removed their evidence IMO

I simply cannot wrap my head around an OC connection. What the heck would OC want to do with those two loser monkeys. As the name suggests, it is organized, and there looks to be absolutley no organization whatsoever regarding DM and MS. In my opinion.

 

[Archangel7]

Interesting last paragraph in your link.

I agree, very interesting.

It's one of several reasons serial killers are caught and why the profile is narrowed for regular homicides.
A killer that looks back in the timeline and remembers TB's wife's smile, might feel that trying to separate himself from the body at the point of dismemberment/burning, etc. will stop any trail from leading to him.

Some other dismemberment/disposal motivations can center around job skills, profession, tools at hand, location etc. Google Gary Carl Simmons Jr., a personal case but be forewarned.

Anyway, it doesn't stop the trail, it just adds more to the profile and evidence that convicts. For ex. Gary's downfall was the stupidity of defacing the finger/footprints but left the face on the decapitated head when he disposed of the "body parts" in the bayou. Which spoke volumes and which led to his arrest, conviction and just extermination by lethal cocktail, June 20, 2012.

Not sure how fast things progress here but by now it should be abundantly evident that the two they have are the correct ones or they should be close to announcing a release of suspects.
moo

 

[Blomquist]

Who are you asking?

I think it says Ellie b in my quote so I think it must be her .... or her alias ;-)

 

[Blomquist]

I simply cannot wrap my head around an OC connection. What the heck would OC want to do with those two loser monkeys. As the name suggests, it is organized, and there looks to be absolutley no organization whatsoever regarding DM and MS. In my opinion.

Au contraire IMO
It looks totally organized to me.... from the pick up to the drop off...of both body and truck.

DM is extremely wealthy and would be a target for anyone who wanted money....and as OC's main focus is money I fail to see how it is difficult to not see the possible connection. JMO MOO