The Incinerator

[expat cdn]

Au contraire IMO
It looks totally organized to me.... from the pick up to the drop off...of both body and truck.

DM is extremely wealthy and would be a target for anyone who wanted money....and as OC's main focus is money I fail to see how it is difficult to not see the possible connection. JMO MOO

Sure, I think there very well could be an OC connection. (just not setting DM up)

 

[Curiositykitten]

Au contraire IMO

DM is extremely wealthy and would be a target for anyone who wanted money....and as OC's main focus is money I fail to see how it is difficult to not see the possible connection. JMO MOO

I don't see any evidence that DM is "extremely wealthy."

What we know is that has about $4million worth of property, which, given the real estate market in Toronto, is not out of the ordinary. There are tens of thousands of people in this city with that kind of money and last time I looked, they are not being targeted by organized crime.

The Waterloo hangar may also be a big fat white elephant that is currently losing money.

And he has some very big lawyer's bills awaiting him. Deepak's not doing this pro bono. :jail:

 

[Juballee]

I don't think OC would be after his personal real estate, or even the physical building representing the hanger, but instead the untapped potential of having a large, relatively private building in a small but international airport where any planes could come for maintenance without arousing suspicion. I also still believe that the customs search of those planes, if there is one, would be less thorough than, say, the luggage is inspected on a typical flight. That, to OC, would have a value far beyond $4m or a few innocent lives, in my opinion.

 

[Blomquist]

Personal real estate of over $4 million with some of it in the form of income type properties means that DM has regular and quite a lot of income from them either now or potentially or both. IMO

Couple that with a very large and workable hangar at a very usable airport and you have more income potential. JMO

Then add any possible stocks/shares/dividends/trust accounts/ savings accounts/ RRSP's/ gold/silver/ cars/trucks/helicopters/planes to name but a few...and IMO you have a wealthy SINGLE man. JMO

If OC will say, for example, get a grip on a bakery (just an example) then obviously they are not fussy on type of business...more inclined to be interested in PROFIT. JMO

There are many types of OC...not all are the Italian Mafia as per stereotypical OC. IMO JMO MOO

 

[Eldee]

Personal real estate of over $4 million with some of it in the form of income type properties means that DM has regular and quite a lot of income from them either now or potentially or both. IMO

Couple that with a very large and workable hangar at a very usable airport and you have more income potential. JMO

Then add any possible stocks/shares/dividends/trust accounts/ savings accounts/ RRSP's/ gold/silver/ cars/trucks/helicopters/planes to name but a few...and IMO you have a wealthy SINGLE man. JMO

If OC will say, for example, get a grip on a bakery (just an example) then obviously they are not fussy on type of business...more inclined to be interested in PROFIT. JMO

There are many types of OC...not all are the Italian Mafia as per stereotypical OC. IMO JMO MOO

In my opinion, DM's assets minus the liabilities regarding the refurbishing of the hangar and the monthly rent payment equals squat on the net worth side of the equation. I am sure the lenders are just wondering how they are going to get repayment on the loans. Foreclose, perhaps on the properties he still owns as maybe they were used as collateral for the loans and that is why he couldn't sell those to his mom for $1.00. That is why perhaps, he sold the others to his mom so the lenders didn't seize them. JMOO

 

[Archangel7]

In my opinion, DM's assets minus the liabilities regarding the refurbishing of the hangar and the monthly rent payment equals squat on the net worth side of the equation. I am sure the lenders are just wondering how they are going to get repayment on the loans. Foreclose, perhaps on the properties he still owns as maybe they were used as collateral for the loans and that is why he couldn't sell those to his mom for $1.00. That is why perhaps, he sold the others to his mom so the lenders didn't seize them. JMOO

Didn't the taxpayers kick in some duckies on the hangar also?

 

[Blomquist]

In my opinion, DM's assets minus the liabilities regarding the refurbishing of the hangar and the monthly rent payment equals squat on the net worth side of the equation. I am sure the lenders are just wondering how they are going to get repayment on the loans. Foreclose, perhaps on the properties he still owns as maybe they were used as collateral for the loans and that is why he couldn't sell those to his mom for $1.00. That is why perhaps, he sold the others to his mom so the lenders didn't seize them. JMOO

Or maybe because they (properties) are involved in an investigation !!!!! JMO

 

[Blomquist]

Didn't the taxpayers kick in some duckies on the hangar also?

They kicked ducks....???

 

[Archangel7]

They kicked ducks....???

Yuup, 5.4 million of them, apparently that's what is adding to the smell of all this.

I found the statement and link...

.........Council spent $5.4 million between 2009 and 2012 to prepare the airport’s northwest corner for businesses. Work included repairs to an aging taxiway, runway improvements and elements requested by Millardair to accommodate large jetliners..........

http://www.therecord.com/sports-story/3244013-public-cash-supported-failed-hangar-plan/

 

[Snoofo]

Didn't the taxpayers kick in some duckies on the hangar also?

That wouldnt be a loan IMO. Obviously the Region was ambitious too.

It was called a $6mil hangar and a loan was only required when it went over budget, so I doubt the bank would have to do any more than sell the leasehold interest and equipment etc on the premises to get their money back. Unless the cost overrun totalled more than the original investment. I don't think they'd need to go chasing personal assets, but who knows.

 

[Snoofo]

Yuup, 5.4 million of them, apparently that's what is adding to the smell of all this.

I found the statement and link...

.........Council spent $5.4 million between 2009 and 2012 to prepare the airport’s northwest corner for businesses. Work included repairs to an aging taxiway, runway improvements and elements requested by Millardair to accommodate large jetliners..........

http://www.therecord.com/sports-story/3244013-public-cash-supported-failed-hangar-plan/

Only an unspecified portion of the 5.4 went to fulfilling Millardair requests, not the whole amount. It could mean anything.

 

[Blomquist]

Only an unspecified portion of the 5.4 went to fulfilling Millardair requests, not the whole amount. It could mean anything.

Thank you for explaining that.... makes quite a difference when only fraction was put towards MillardAir. IMO

 

[Snoofo]

Yes it's important enough to note as the way the article was written makes it misleading (shocker!). Keep in mind the land is owned by the Region and all the 5.4M investment added to its overall value. They didnt just fork over money and from what I recall it was to expand the concrete entranceway to the hangar to accommodate bigger planes... so it was an improvement to the exterior; not like it was given to Millard for state of the art bathrooms inside.

Landlords, be they municipalities or private entities, will often contribute to improvements for attractive tenants.

 

[Alethea Dice]

I agree, very interesting.

It's one of several reasons serial killers are caught and why the profile is narrowed for regular homicides.
A killer that looks back in the timeline and remembers TB's wife's smile, might feel that trying to separate himself from the body at the point of dismemberment/burning, etc. will stop any trail from leading to him.

Some other dismemberment/disposal motivations can center around job skills, profession, tools at hand, location etc. Google Gary Carl Simmons Jr., a personal case but be forewarned.

Anyway, it doesn't stop the trail, it just adds more to the profile and evidence that convicts. For ex. Gary's downfall was the stupidity of defacing the finger/footprints but left the face on the decapitated head when he disposed of the "body parts" in the bayou. Which spoke volumes and which led to his arrest, conviction and just extermination by lethal cocktail, June 20, 2012.

Not sure how fast things progress here but by now it should be abundantly evident that the two they have are the correct ones or they should be close to announcing a release of suspects.
moo

I was referring to the part that states when the killer is a stranger and doesn't think he will be connected to the crime, he doesn't tend to take the effort to dismember a body. Why bother if you think no one will suspect you anyway?

I would think that Simmons knew his victim since they went to collect a drug debt. It probably also helped that he was a butcher by trade.

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

Yes it's important enough to note as the way the article was written makes it misleading (shocker!). Keep in mind the land is owned by the Region and all the 5.4M investment added to its overall value. They didnt just fork over money and from what I recall it was to expand the concrete entranceway to the hangar to accommodate bigger planes... so it was an improvement to the exterior; not like it was given to Millard for state of the art bathrooms inside.

Landlords, be they municipalities or private entities, will often contribute to improvements for attractive tenants.

That's correct. It's in the same article.

Millardair asked council to widen and strengthen the asphalt outside its proposed hangar, to support aircraft as big as a Boeing 757 capable of carrying 280 passengers. Regional government met the request at a public cost it will not specify.

They also seem to still think it can be money well invested.

They expect the hangar at 51,516 square feet will ultimately be put to good use, to justify the private investment. It’s the largest hangar at the Region of Waterloo International Airport.

“It’s unfortunate that it happened but I think life will carry on and the airport will continue to succeed,” Seiling said.

http://www.therecord.com/sports-story/3244013-public-cash-supported-failed-hangar-plan/

 

[Archangel7]

I was referring to the part that states when the killer is a stranger and doesn't think he will be connected to the crime, he doesn't tend to take the effort to dismember a body. Why bother if you think no one will suspect you anyway?

I would think that Simmons knew his victim since they went to collect a drug debt. It probably also helped that he was a butcher by trade.

JMO

That was part of the point. The other point as I posted was, sometimes when one has skills and has special conditions(Simmons could butcher AND had a bayou behind his house) that's what they use.

Sometimes if one acts like a psychotic killer and has an incinerator that's what they use.

moo

 

[Alethea Dice]

That was part of the point. The other point as I posted was, sometimes when one has skills and has special conditions(Simmons could butcher AND had a bayou behind his house) that's what they use.

Sometimes if one acts like a psychotic killer and has an incinerator that's what they use.

moo

I do realize that. But my point was that they apparently weren't known to each other and, since some feel that they thought they'd never be suspected, there would be no reason to go to the trouble of dismembering him. As far as I've heard, a butcher wasn't listed as a skill on DM's resume either.

JMO

 

[Snoofo]

Yuup, 5.4 million of them, apparently that's what is adding to the smell of all this.

........

http://www.therecord.com/sports-story/3244013-public-cash-supported-failed-hangar-plan/

Bbm Hey Archangel what did you mean by that anyway? Is it just that the MSM found it noteworthy, or do know something we don't know?!

 

[Snoofo]

That was part of the point. The other point as I posted was, sometimes when one has skills and has special conditions(Simmons could butcher AND had a bayou behind his house) that's what they use.

Sometimes if one acts like a psychotic killer and has an incinerator that's what they use.

moo

BBM
When did DM act like a psychotic killer in your opinion? Was it the dog biscuits??

:websleuther:

 

[Archangel7]

I do realize that. But my point was that they apparently weren't known to each other and, since some feel that they thought they'd never be suspected, there would be no reason to go to the trouble of dismembering him. As far as I've heard, a butcher wasn't listed as a skill on DM's resume either.

JMO

Again, as I mentioned before. When a killer rewinds the timeline in his mind and "sees"/ "realizes" a possible link to him, he tries to severe that tie, be it alibi, burning evidence, dismemberment, etc.

The killer can't realize something in advance. It has to happen first. People make insignificant eye contact all the time and maybe at some point, DM/MS realized "hey she may remember that as a significant emotional event" and tie us by her vivid memory of that. So now, we must do something to erase any type direct evidence tie to us via coroboration. After all many folk look alike or similar.

Didn't MS have the "skill" to play a deranged killer and doesn't DM have an incinerator? So as I pointed out before, in some cases with the "skills" and equipment available, sometimes the combination is obvious to the killer(s) or in the example I gave, Butcher and Bayou is similar in concept to "Deranged Killer" with an Incinerator at their disposal.

Why would it/is it hard to mentally link(suspect) a person(s) acting as a "disturbed killer" in a video with a burned body(and possibly dismembered) and a person with a farm and an incinerator but it's not difficult for some to come to other, more outlandish scenarios?