The Incinerator

[Alethea Dice]

Pretty bold statements about the buyer wanting to incinerate animals..."the man" said this and that. Then an article about DM and the oddities in his life, then the info that an employee set up the incinerator purchase. So the bold statements were about DM or the employee? Creative journalism!

It is creative journalism. It leads the reader to think of DM as "the man", when really it's the employee who asked the questions and made the purchase. It's purpose is to make you think they've uncovered more details, to sensationalize, and to make the public assume things that may or may not be true.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...rge-in-mysterious-bosma-case/article12757899/

I don't remember the 500 pounds figure before. Obviously he didn't have 500lbs of dead raccoons.

The fact that LE seized the incinerator, but not other pieces of equipment like the wood chipper, also seems pretty telling.

You don't remember that figure before because that's not the model that was found on the farm. The incinerator on the farm was an SN250, not the SN500. The SN250 only holds 250 pounds, not 500, and only burns 100 pounds an hour. More creative journalism.

It's odd that none of the journalists ever mention the size of the opening either, and the fact that a body wouldn't fit without some extra work beforehand. Seems to me it would be simpler and faster to use an accelerant and toss a match.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/16/police-investigate-incinerators-role-in-tim-bosma-slaying

http://www.supernovamfg.com/250.html

 

[lanman]

Don't know for sure, but once you get it up to the right temperature, are you sure it would smell. I am not a chemist, but when you are burning at a high temperature, is there a smell?

I don't think there would be. Apparently no smoke either.

""What makes our incinerator better," said Sammy Massey, the incinerator's developer. "No Smoke, and you use less than a third of the fuel other incinerators use."

Although later in the article he states "less smoke".

http://www.alabamapoultry.org/magazine/sept2002/page12.html

 

[ReignBRF]

This is a plausible theory to me and one that I have mulled over as well. Perhaps through the construction of the new facility or contracts over the years the business or some family members may have had to deal with organized crime or on a smaller scale through purchasing drugs there was a crossover with some type of gang. DM allows use of the hanger for illegal activity such as a chop shop, the farm as an out of the way drop off place and laundering cash through real estate deals because he is in over his head. Things get out of control, he has no way to cope and he is fearful for his life (perhaps WM was as well), he starts to become an accomplice in petty crimes to appease his tormentors and to prove that he is not a snitch. He is fearful to go to the police. He may have been an accomplice in stealing the vehicle but did not anticipate a murder. He keeps quiet in prison and has extra security
because he is a marked man. Too far-fetched perhaps

....and DM purchasing the incinerator which was used in the murder, what is your theory on DM not anticipating a murder?

 

[redheadedgal]

In Canada, it distills down to just three overarching motives.
1. Expressive.....anger or desire/intent to harm
2. Instrumental.....killer wants something, sex, revenge, money
3. Gang related.....turf, initiation

where would the polytechnique massacre fit in?

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%c3%89cole_Polytechnique_massacre"]École Polytechnique massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


where would vince li fit in?

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Tim_McLean"]Murder of Tim McLean - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

[Snoofo]

....and DM purchasing the incinerator which was used in the murder, what is your theory on DM not anticipating a murder?

MSM reports "an employee of Millardair" made the purchase arrangements.

DM leased most of the land to farmers.

Therefore it is possible DM doesn't go to the farm regularly especially since leased, and did not know this thing has been sitting on his property since last summer.

 

[lanman]

MSM reports "an employee of Millardair" made the purchase arrangements.

DM leased most of the land to farmers.

Therefore it is possible DM doesn't go to the farm regularly especially since leased, and did not know this thing has been sitting on his property since last summer.

MSM also reported "“An ‘Eliminator incinerator’ designed to dispose of livestock remains was purchased by Dellen Millard in July 2012,” said a police officer involved in the case.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2013/05/16/20829241.html

Surely one important piece of evidence that we won't hear about any time soon is who actually paid for the incinerator. It's one thing for a company employee to make purchasing arrangements, but if MillardAir paid for it, then I would assume there are only a few key people who can actually authorize purchases and sign cheques.

 

[Snoofo]

MSM also reported "“An ‘Eliminator incinerator’ designed to dispose of livestock remains was purchased by Dellen Millard in July 2012,” said a police officer involved in the case.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2013/05/16/20829241.html

Surely one important piece of evidence that we won't hear about any time soon is who actually paid for the incinerator. It's one thing for a company employee to make purchasing arrangements, but if MillardAir paid for it, then I would assume there are only a few key people who can actually authorize purchases and sign cheques.

IMO this would have been was paid for on a company credit card. I would also think last summer, as Millardair was getting ready to start operations, all sorts of expensive machinery was being purchased so this one coming through may not have looked suspicious to the person balancing the books. If DM was duped he is likely not the only one that was, or the trusted controller/bookkeeper could be in on a bigger scheme involving OC, or could have been compensated for looking the other way. Keep in mind DM was in Europe around the time leading up to this purchase - it could have been in the works while he was away.

Possibilities.

 

[Archangel7]

IMO this would have been was paid for on a company credit card. I would also think last summer, as Millardair was getting ready to start operations, all sorts of expensive machinery was being purchased so this one coming through may not have looked suspicious to the person balancing the books. If DM was duped he is likely not the only one that was, or the trusted controller/bookkeeper could be in on a bigger scheme involving OC, or could have been compensated for looking the other way. Keep in mind DM was in Europe around the time leading up to this purchase - it could have been in the works while he was away.

Possibilities.

I agree that it's only somewhat suspicious to purchase/own an incinerator with no reasonable purpose, however it's a whole other ballgame if the remains can be tied to the incinerator(it's possible to determine/compare metal content of remains with materials of construction in the incinerator)

Then the big question afterwards...can either suspect be tied directly to the incinerator during the timeline?

Purchase and ownership may not even be significant come court time other than to link legal ownership of incinerator to the farm or similar.

JMO

 

[Sleuthv]

Don't know for sure, but once you get it up to the right temperature, are you sure it would smell. I am not a chemist, but when you are burning at a high temperature, is there a smell?

In Rothsay, between Elora and Elmira, mushes up animal and plant waste to make cosmetic fats, animal feed, and fertilizer from what grocery stores and food manufacturers can not use (sometimes it is good meat most of the time it is fat and bones that the consumer does not want.) And it STINKS, to get an idea, burn some of your own hair or wool. Plus I believe it would take hours to burn a body, plus cut it into chunks. So I think TB was burned to the 3rd degree leaving his face unrecognizable,but his body was not attended allowing the police to estimate height and sex (male). Along with whatever was found, wedding ring, etc.
DM is a spoiled brat...buying items for his farm on the company expense account.. the IRS should investigate this further and charge for his misdeeds.
I imagine his dad was not to pleased to hear about his charging Millardair for his personal assets and maybe was talking about dismissing DM from corporate duties or signing powers???

 

[SnooperDuper]

So I think TB was burned to the 3rd degree leaving his face unrecognizable,but his body was not attended allowing the police to estimate height and sex (male). Along with whatever was found, wedding ring, etc.

TB came home in a little box meaning his body was far more burnt/broken down than that.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/06/15/tim_bosma_comes_home_heartbreakingly_in_a_small_box.html

 

[Blomquist]

TB came home in a little box meaning his body was far more burnt/broken down than that.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/06/15/tim_bosma_comes_home_heartbreakingly_in_a_small_box.html

The crematorium may have completed the process. I do not take it to mean he was burnt to ashes by a killer(s). If he had been burned to ashes by killer(s) I highly doubt he would have been identified so quickly JMO

 

[flipflop]

TB came home in a little box meaning his body was far more burnt/broken down than that.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/06/15/tim_bosma_comes_home_heartbreakingly_in_a_small_box.html

We don't really know what state TB's remains were when found. We have read in MSM that he was burnt beyond recognition.

However, if his body was not fully burnt, he could have been cremated after LE released his remains and before "going home" to his family.

 

[Blomquist]

There is no such thing as complete combustion. If it was used on anything, the incinerator will likely have evidence of it in solids or as condensates in the flue gas/chimney area.

Personally I know several farmers and ranchers in Ontario that raise pigs, sheep, dairy cattle and chickens on numerous properties. The smallest 100 acres the two largest 5k acres.

I don't know the exact total animal count but it's in the 100s of thousands of sheep,chicken, pigs, cattle, etc.

Not one has an incinerator.

Most compost and sell it by the dump truck load to the spinach and mushroom farms.

DM had several kinds of "digging" equipment on the farm and had the ability to have "buried" anything from a field mouse to pregnant whale. Much more work to use an incinerator.

Lot less smell too. Burning bodies smell bad to the neighbors, burying them wouldn't.

JMO

A farmer would know these things but a young guy from the city probably would not IMO. Digging equipment would be needed to build a house, inground pool and the like, so the fact that he had made it known, that he planned to build a home on the property eventually, could account for ''digging'' equipment IMO

 

[bessie]

A farmer would know these things but a young guy from the city probably would not IMO. Digging equipment would be needed to build a house, inground pool and the like, so the fact that he had made it known, that he planned to build a home on the property eventually, could account for ''digging'' equipment IMO

I agree. Thus he foolishly -- from a killer's standpoint -- chose burning over burial. IMO

 

[Archangel7]

A farmer would know these things but a young guy from the city probably would not IMO. Digging equipment would be needed to build a house, inground pool and the like, so the fact that he had made it known, that he planned to build a home on the property eventually, could account for ''digging'' equipment IMO

Per reports from contractors, DM didn't have sense enough to not cut a major structural support in the hanger so very little chance he'd have the grey matter to dig a swimming pool. Plus no pool contractors I know or have EVER heard of would allow someone else to dig for an in ground pool installation as it takes extreme trackhoe skill. Anything less than a perfect hole for the liner support means the contactor has to fix it by hauling in his trackhoe to fix it or hand shovel it. Call around.

You misunderstand the concept that each particular piece of "evidence" doesn't necessarily mean we need to "condemn" DM but taken all together it doesn't look like DM is as pure as the driven snow nor completely innocent of murder.

 

[lanman]

A farmer would know these things but a young guy from the city probably would not IMO. Digging equipment would be needed to build a house, inground pool and the like, so the fact that he had made it known, that he planned to build a home on the property eventually, could account for ''digging'' equipment IMO

His stated intentions for the digging equipment and incinerator will be irrelevant. It's what was actually done with that equipment, and who did it, that will matter in the end. I have faith that LE will figure that out.

 

[expat cdn]

Why did DM drop out of school at age 16? IMO that is not a typical move by someone who is supposedly smart. Most well adjusted children remain in school until they acquire their grade 12 education/diploma. In Ontario it is a requirement. DM did not excel. Some students are very brilliant and excel, bypassing a grade or two throughout their schooling years. DM was not that exception.

I've also found it strange that DM dropped out of private school. It's not common for a student to drop out of private school. Perhaps he was a trouble maker and it was suggested that he drop out.

 

[Blomquist]

I agree. Thus he foolishly -- from a killer's standpoint -- chose burning over burial. IMO

Wasn't the entrance to the incinerator quite small? Are we to believe an incinerator was bought a year in advance of being needed?

JMO but I feel that the 'incinerator' has no purpose in this case.... MOO

 

[Blomquist]

His stated intentions for the digging equipment and incinerator will be irrelevant. It's what was actually done with that equipment, and who did it, that will matter in the end. I have faith that LE will figure that out.

Yes lets hope so. So far it appears nothing was found to have been buried on the farmland, Also there appears to have been no word that the incinerator was used for TB. I agree that 'who did it' is the question we all want answered and the the true answer is all that matters.

 

[Blomquist]

Per reports from contractors, DM didn't have sense enough to not cut a major structural support in the hanger so very little chance he'd have the grey matter to dig a swimming pool. Plus no pool contractors I know or have EVER heard of would allow someone else to dig for an in ground pool installation as it takes extreme trackhoe skill. Anything less than a perfect hole for the liner support means the contactor has to fix it by hauling in his trackhoe to fix it or hand shovel it. Call around.

You misunderstand the concept that each particular piece of "evidence" doesn't necessarily mean we need to "condemn" DM but taken all together it doesn't look like DM is as pure as the driven snow nor completely innocent of murder.

Actually I don't need to call around... I know someone who does such a job.....and they are always happy to have the use of a digger for digging out the main core of ground for pools. I personally know of one pool that was started with the use of a neighboring farmers digger.

I still do not see the writing on the wall as it were insofar as DM being the killer, not even by 'putting it all together' as I have not yet seen enough facts to convince me.....JMO but thats how I feel... maybe when more info is available I may see dots that need joining... JMO