The Incinerator

[Blomquist]

You are right Bloomquist..IMO if people want to find you they can. Isn't that the idea behind sleuthing? IMHO, the majority of people don't get sleuthed out unless they're applying for a credit card! :floorlaugh:

I wouldn't know as I don't use credit cards.

I do accept the fact we have different opinions on this. IMO if there was a concerted effort to get DM, in this day and age it could have been done without the complexities and certainly without the loss of an innocent persons life. A kilo of cocaine, child , tax evasion, counterfeiting, sexual assault, even the chop shop. There are may ways to ruin a person without an elaborate and expensive scheme. JMHO Well that would depend really... on the motive for wanting DM... With the 'crimes' you mention above...there is a much earlier release date if convicted.

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[Snoofo]

Snoofo, I understand the conclusions you're coming too. Toronto International is actually owned by Transport Canada and the Toronto Airport Authority manages it. IMO, the lease would be between the managers of the Airport ie) Toronto Airport Authority and not with the property owner ie Transport Canada. IMO, the TAA may appear on title and the individual hangar leases would be contracts with the TAA. MOO

Yessss! :great: You just gave me some important information.
:cheers:

 

[MsSherlock]

Yessss! :great: You just gave me some important information.
:cheers:

Glad to help you Snoofo! I should have probably added that Transport Canada does not own Waterloo. That airport is owned and operated by the Region of Waterloo. But don't forget that all airports fall under NavCanada-a separate entity that overseas aircraft movement and ATC services. IMO, I still would not be certain that the land lease in Waterloo would be registered on title. IMO it would be a standard land lease with the Airport. Hamilton on the other hand is owned by the City of Hamilton and leased to Tradeport International for management/operations.

 

[MsSherlock]

Thanks for all links

Blomquist-if you read the last link in my post, you'll see that dental records are the quickest way to identify a body that has been burned, especially if they have a clue who the body may be and know the dentist. IMO, this method may have been used. The article also references bone. IMO, testing on bone fragments may indicate dismemberment if there was any, but I think we won't be seeing any mention of this type of evidence until the trial MOO

 

[swedie]

MsSherlock, I would just like to say you have provided me with a great wealth of information on many levels, and IMHO you are a fantastic sleuther. Keep up the fantastic sleuthing.

:juanettes: :yourock: :gthanks:

 

[Blomquist]

Blomquist-if you read the last link in my post, you'll see that dental records are the quickest way to identify a body that has been burned, especially if they have a clue who the body may be and know the dentist. IMO, this method may have been used. The article also references bone. IMO, testing on bone fragments may indicate dismemberment if there was any, but I think we won't be seeing any mention of this type of evidence until the trial MOO

Yes thank you... I do know about the dental forensics. I have a family member in dentistry.. I think we probably would have heard by now of any dismemberment...think Magnotta ! JMO

 

[Snoofo]

Glad to help you Snoofo! I should have probably added that Transport Canada does not own Waterloo. That airport is owned and operated by the Region of Waterloo. But don't forget that all airports fall under NavCanada-a separate entity that overseas aircraft movement and ATC services. IMO, I still would not be certain that the land lease in Waterloo would be registered on title. IMO it would be a standard land lease with the Airport. Hamilton on the other hand is owned by the City of Hamilton and leased to Tradeport International for management/operations.

Nooooooo!!!!! Region of Waterloo? Back to square one. :sigh:
Thanks for the warning........

.....if only I had the legal description.......:crush:

 

[Blomquist]

Nooooooo!!!!! Region of Waterloo? Back to square one. :sigh:
Thanks for the warning........

.....if only I had the legal description.......:crush:

The region of Waterloo would possibly fall under the umbrella of a few other ''corporations''' JMO

 

[MsSherlock]

Nooooooo!!!!! Region of Waterloo? Back to square one. :sigh:
Thanks for the warning........

.....if only I had the legal description.......:crush:

Legal Description for Waterloo Airport...have fun with this one Snoofo!

(1) PT LT 102 GERMAN COMPANY TRACT OF THE GEOGRAPHIC TWP OF WATERLOO ,PT 1 ON EX PLAN INST. LT142888. (2) LTS 7-10 PL 583 WOOLWICH, PT LTS 4-6 PL 583 WOOLWICH, PT LANES PL 583 WOOLWICH CLOSED BY B45482, PT LT 102 GERMAN COMPANY TRACT OF THE GEOGRAPHIC TWP OF WATERLOO; PT LT 103 GERMAN COMPANY TRACT OF THE GEOGRAPHIC TWP OF WATERLOO, PT LT 110 GERMAN COMPANY TRACT OF THE GEOGRAPHIC TWP OF WATERLOO, PT LT 111 GERMAN COMPANY TRACT OF THE GEOGRAPHIC TWP OF WATERLOO, PT LT 126 GERMAN COMPANY TRACT OF THE GEOGRAPHIC TWP OF WATERLOO PTS 1,2,4,5,13,14 & 15, 58R-4961, S/T B42686. (3)PT LT 102 GERMAN COMPANY TRACT OF THE GEOGRAPHIC TWP OF WATERLOO AS IN 1138255. (4)PT LT 102 GERMAN COMPANY TRACT OF THE GEOGRAPHIC TWP OF WATERLOO PT 1 58R-4329. (5) PT LT 102 GERMAN COMPANY TRACT OF THE GEOGRAPHIC TWP OF WATERLOO PT 2 58R-13552 AS CLOSED BY 1546519. (6)PT LT 102 GERMAN COMPANY TRACT OF THE GEOGRAPHIC TWP OF WATERLOO PT 1 58R-5117 (7) PT LT 102 GERMAN COMPANY TRACT OF THE GEOGRAPHIC TWP OF WATERLOO PT 1 58R-13278. (8)PT LT 102 GERMAN COMPANY TRACT OF THE GEOGRAPHIC TWP OF WATERLOO PT 1 EX PLAN LT105322. WOOLWICH; T/W EASE OVER PT LT 116 GCT AS IN WR41169; T/W EASE OVER PT LT 116 GCT AS IN WR79868; WOOLWICH SUBJECT TO AN EASEMENT IN GROSS OVER PTS 2 & 3 ON 58R-16947 & PTS 5 & 15 ON 58R-4961 AS IN WR678430 SUBJECT TO AN EASEMENT IN GROSS OVER PT 1 ON 58R-17685 AS IN WR752299

 

[MsSherlock]

Yes thank you... I do know about the dental forensics. I have a family member in dentistry.. I think we probably would have heard by now of any dismemberment...think Magnotta ! JMO

Blomquist...IMO there are big differences between Magnotta and this case. In LM, the severing was part of the info the public already knew and in the TB case, it's the burning. IMO, LE may have released all that's necessary to get the point across-that being that they believe TB died the night he went missing and he was burned beyond recognition. IIRC, they have not even released a COD. IMO, it may be presumptuous for us to rule out other things such as dismemberment. MOO

 

[Snoofo]

Legal Description for Waterloo Airport...have fun with this one Snoofo!

:gthanks:

Thanks Ms! I didn't think my charm would work on you :crush:
You're awesome!

Truly, even if the notice of lease is registered, it won't tell us very much at all. The lease itself would be very interesting to see. :coffeews: (Don't worry Ms., this not a hint, although it would truly be something if you whipped one up!)

Blomquist there are probably other cos. associated but usually Waterloo will take title as The Regional Municipality of Waterloo as I've seen in any property dealings I've had with the region in the past. The problem is to search by name, the Region owns too much, and too many properties without addresses come up so it's anyone's guess which one is which. The land registration system (Teraview) does allow searches by address if in fact the address was inputted with the legal description when the PIN for the property was created. Unfortunately the airport cannot be searched by municipal address (at least not in the traditional Teraview program) - I tried the airport main address and also Mlldair's Jetliner court address. This leaves us with searching by an instrument number or a registered plan number. There are other ways using mapping but it is time consuming and it gets quite expensive!

Again thank you Ms. Sherlock!

 

[MsSherlock]

:gthanks:

Thanks Ms! I didn't think my charm would work on you :crush:
You're awesome!

Truly, even if the notice of lease is registered, it won't tell us very much at all. The lease itself would be very interesting to see. :coffeews: (Don't worry Ms., this not a hint, although it would truly be something if you whipped one up!)

Blomquist there are probably other cos. associated but usually Waterloo will take title as The Regional Municipality of Waterloo as I've seen in any property dealings I've had with the region in the past. The problem is to search by name, the Region owns too much, and too many properties without addresses come up so it's anyone's guess which one is which. The land registration system (Teraview) does allow searches by address if in fact the address was inputted with the legal description when the PIN for the property was created. Unfortunately the airport cannot be searched by municipal address (at least not in the traditional Teraview program) - I tried the airport main address and also Mlldair's Jetliner court address. This leaves us with searching by an instrument number or a registered plan number. There are other ways using mapping but it is time consuming and it gets quite expensive!

Again thank you Ms. Sherlock!

You're welcome Snoofo-as I said earlier, IMHO, airport hangars are not something that falls under public information since for the most part, the Airport operators are the ones that would be registered on title with a master lease/management contract or the likes so, IMO, it would be very difficult for anyone to know with certainty who owned the Hangar and the details. Leases are not public info and usually leases with municipalities are kept very private. JMHO.

IMO, Third party involvement is much easier to speculate about theoretically after the fact than it is to implement in real life before and IMHO, I'll maintain that it would have been almost an impossibility for a third party to put together such an elaborate scheme.

IMO CM & WM both had very complex estates with many incorporated companies with assets and liabilities spread out. Sure, we can assume that DM knew everything about the business, but there's also the possibility he only knew what WM needed him to know. IMO, an overwhelmed young man who may be severely bi-polar with psychotic features is totally possible. MOO

 

[Alethea Dice]

IMO, an overwhelmed young man who may be severely bi-polar with psychotic features is totally possible. MOO

I personally have seen no signs of bi-polar or psychotic features in anything we have read/heard about DM.

Bipolar depression symptoms include:

1. Feeling sadness or emptiness.
2. Losing interest or pleasure in one's usual enjoyments.
3. Changes in appetite (up OR down), and/or substantial and unplanned loss of weigh or weight gain.
4. Insomnia.
5. Excessive tiredness or sleepiness, and/or lack of energy.
6. Restlessness and agitation.
7. Reduced sex drive.
8. Lack of motivation.
9. Feeing worthless.
10. Feeling guilty about things you are not responsible for.
11. Indecision.
12. "Fuzzy" thinking, problems concentrating, or memory loss.
13. Thoughts of self harm or suicide.
14. Hallucinations.
15. Delusions.

http://www.bipolar-lives.com/bipolar-symptoms.html

What characteristics are associated with psychotic disorder?

Some of the characteristics associated with psychotic disorders include delusions, hallucinations, bizarre behavior, incoherent or disorganized speech, and/or disorganized behavior.

Delusions are described as false, inaccurate beliefs the person holds onto even when he/she is presented with accurate information.

Examples of delusions include:
Grandiose delusion: This occurs when a person’s belief about his/her own importance or station in life is grossly out of proportion to what is really true. For instance, a person might believe that he/she is Jesus Christ.


Persecutory delusion: This occurs when a person believes that there is a conspiracy to harass, punish, or attack him/her. The person also might believe that the group to which he/she belongs is being harassed or punished.
Hallucinations are internal sensory perceptions, such as sights or sounds, that are not actually present.

Common hallucinations include:
Visual hallucinations: People who have visual hallucinations see the image of something that is not real, such as another person.


Auditory hallucinations: People who have auditory hallucinations hear something that is not really present, such as someone’s voice.

http://www.athealth.com/Consumer/disorders/Psychotic.html

JMO

 

[redheart]

Right, but those symptoms are not present all of the time, or even most of the time for many people with bi-polar disorder, or disorders in that family.
Many people with bi-polar are very high functioning...until they aren't. JMO
I agree that it's possible DM is suffering from a mental illness. JMO

 

[Snoofo]

Right, but those symptoms are not present all of the time, or even most of the time for many people with bi-polar disorder, or disorders in that family.
Many people with bi-polar are very high functioning...until they aren't. JMO
I agree that it's possible DM is suffering from a mental illness. JMO

Not saying you are incorrect about DM per se, but similarily we can say its possible everybody is suffering from a mental illness.

 

[Blomquist]

Blomquist...IMO there are big differences between Magnotta and this case. In LM, the severing was part of the info the public already knew and in the TB case, it's the burning. IMO, LE may have released all that's necessary to get the point across-that being that they believe TB died the night he went missing and he was burned beyond recognition. IIRC, they have not even released a COD. IMO, it may be presumptuous for us to rule out other things such as dismemberment. MOO

I was talking about body parts. As in...LE usually states if a body was mutilated, decapitated etc. I wasn't likening the case as a whole !
IMO I believe any mutilation of a body would have emerged at the same time as the burning info JMO.... there is no reason IMO to keep that from the public... JMO

 

[MsSherlock]

I personally have seen no signs of bi-polar or psychotic features in anything we have read/heard about DM.



http://www.bipolar-lives.com/bipolar-symptoms.html



http://www.athealth.com/Consumer/disorders/Psychotic.html

JMO

Thank you Alethea, that's a great and concise list of symptoms of both disorders. IMO, there are many from the bi-polar list that DM could get tagged with and maybe TB's murder was the result of delusions and hallucinations, perhaps even amplified by drug/chemical use. IMHO, it would all make a lot of sense. MOO

Sadness/emptiness-some of DM's pics portray a look of emptiness & sadness IMHO.
Losing interest/pleasure in usual enjoyments: doesn't appear to have been flying to any great degree.
Change of appetite-weight fluctuation-that's been noted on this forum
Insomnia-perhaps he played video games a lot because of this.
Restlessness-Agitation-as when AS came to visit and DM became very agitated
Lack of motivation-not showing up for work until noon and not being motivated to get the hangar in shape.
Feeling worthless-he had some big aviation boots to fill-IMO, he may have felt worthless.
Feeling guilty about things he wasn't responsible for-may have felt guilty that WM died.
Bizarre Behavior-stealing trucks & vehicles he didn't need to steel-buying an incinerator-killing people
False inaccurate beliefs even when presented with accurate info-he may have been worried that his dad was going to loose all of their money even after he was shown contracts etc that showed otherwise.

IMO, there's certainly enough tick offs on the list that would indicate DM could have been a very sick person. MOO

 

[MsSherlock]

I was talking about body parts. As in...LE usually states if a body was mutilated, decapitated etc. I wasn't likening the case as a whole !
IMO I believe any mutilation of a body would have emerged at the same time as the burning info JMO.... there is no reason IMO to keep that from the public... JMO

Blomquist, I'm not really positive what protocol LE uses in these matters. IMO, if the incinerator was used, any pieces of bone or bone fragment would have to go for analysis, because perhaps those bones aren't even the victims. Logic tells me they would have to positively identify them by DNA unlike teeth that can be identified by the family dentist. My thoughts are that since TB was found on the 14th and the first court appearance was on the 15th, that any evidence that surfaced after the 15th would be caught in the publication ban. So, if the bone samples didn't come back from forensics prior to the publication ban being put in place, the info would not be released until the trial, or at such time the Court approved release of that specific evidence. MOO

 

[Sillybilly]

I personally have seen no signs of bi-polar or psychotic features in anything we have read/heard about DM.

<rsbm>

Right .. we have little to go on wrt his personality to know whether he does or does not exhibit any symptoms of bipolar or other such disorder. IF he was bipolar however, combining alcohol and/or drugs with such a condition could certainly wreak havoc.

JMO

 

[Blomquist]

Right, but those symptoms are not present all of the time, or even most of the time for many people with bi-polar disorder, or disorders in that family.
Many people with bi-polar are very high functioning...until they aren't. JMO
I agree that it's possible DM is suffering from a mental illness. JMO

It's possible that many people are suffering from mental illness. Please provide actual details of anything bi-polar that we know for a fact about DM. I know we cannot sleuth people who are not POI's but I feel it is not really necessary to project any and all negative insinuations to a guy without any actual proof or even a hint of it being true. I feel like DM is basically being hung drawn and quartered based on nothing with any truth to it. JMO

Mental illness is very multi-faceted .. either the person knows they have a problem or they can also think others have problems and they are sane ! I do not see any traits that can be linked to DM insofar a s mental illness is concerned.... JMO

I have known people with mental illness who think everyone but them is totally nuts...and there are others who get a hate on for certain people and then appear to be absolutely psychotic whilst demeaning the object of their hatred. I have not seen or heard anything like this that can be attributed to DM....in fact compared to people I have described the guy seems totally sane and no more depressed than anyone who has recently lost a parent. JMO