The Incinerator

[redheart]

It's possible that many people are suffering from mental illness. Please provide actual details of anything bi-polar that we know for a fact about DM. I know we cannot sleuth people who are not POI's but I feel it is not really necessary to project any and all negative insinuations to a guy without any actual proof or even a hint of it being true. I feel like DM is basically being hung drawn and quartered based on nothing with any truth to it. JMO

Mental illness is very multi-faceted .. either the person knows they have a problem or they can also think others have problems and they are sane ! I do not see any traits that can be linked to DM insofar a s mental illness is concerned.... JMO

I have known people with mental illness who think everyone but them is totally nuts...and there are others who get a hate on for certain people and then appear to be absolutely psychotic whilst demeaning the object of their hatred. I have not seen or heard anything like this that can be attributed to DM....in fact compared to people I have described the guy seems totally sane and no more depressed than anyone who has recently lost a parent. JMO

Don't try to extrapolate "drawing and quartering" DM from my post. I was just posting my :twocents: in answer to the laundry list of symptoms. Just because someone doesn't obviously exhibit those symptoms, doesn't mean they don't have an illness. I really don't have much of an opinion either way of whether DM is mentally ill, but I do think it is possible.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Thank you Alethea, that's a great and concise list of symptoms of both disorders. IMO, there are many from the bi-polar list that DM could get tagged with and maybe TB's murder was the result of delusions and hallucinations, perhaps even amplified by drug/chemical use. IMHO, it would all make a lot of sense. MOO

Sadness/emptiness-some of DM's pics portray a look of emptiness & sadness IMHO.
Losing interest/pleasure in usual enjoyments: doesn't appear to have been flying to any great degree.
Change of appetite-weight fluctuation-that's been noted on this forum
Insomnia-perhaps he played video games a lot because of this.
Restlessness-Agitation-as when AS came to visit and DM became very agitated
Lack of motivation-not showing up for work until noon and not being motivated to get the hangar in shape.
Feeling worthless-he had some big aviation boots to fill-IMO, he may have felt worthless.
Feeling guilty about things he wasn't responsible for-may have felt guilty that WM died.
Bizarre Behavior-stealing trucks & vehicles he didn't need to steel-buying an incinerator-killing people
False inaccurate beliefs even when presented with accurate info-he may have been worried that his dad was going to loose all of their money even after he was shown contracts etc that showed otherwise.

IMO, there's certainly enough tick offs on the list that would indicate DM could have been a very sick person. MOO

I could argue most of your points here.

Sadness/emptiness-some of DM's pics portray a look of emptiness & sadness IMHO.
Most of the later pictures are the ones where he looks sad. No one is happy all the time, and especially not after losing their father.

Losing interest/pleasure in usual enjoyments: doesn't appear to have been flying to any great degree.
He hadn't had much interest in planes for several years. He was still flying the helicopter as seen in some of the FB pictures.

Change of appetite-weight fluctuation-that's been noted on this forum
His weight change wasn't that extreme or abnormal for young men.

Insomnia-perhaps he played video games a lot because of this.
In my experience, sleep is more likely lost because of playing video games rather than the reverse. Regardless, I've seen nothing regarding him having insomnia in any of the reports.

Restlessness-Agitation-as when AS came to visit and DM became very agitated
In my opinion, it was AS who became very agitated.

Lack of motivation-not showing up for work until noon and not being motivated to get the hangar in shape.
The hangar construction was complete and no contracts were in place. What work was he supposed to show up for at 8:00 am?

Feeling worthless-he had some big aviation boots to fill-IMO, he may have felt worthless.
Nothing concrete here. No one has any idea whether he felt the need to fill those boots. Maybe he would have been content to go in his own directions (eg. properties)

Feeling guilty about things he wasn't responsible for-may have felt guilty that WM died.
Many people have guilt over things they had no control over. Eg. children can mistakenly feel responsible when parents divorce. Doesn't mean they're psychotic.

Bizarre Behavior-stealing trucks & vehicles he didn't need to steel-buying an incinerator-killing people
These have yet to be proven. And buying an incinerator may be bizarre to you, but he has not yet stated why he bought it (if it was in fact himself and not the employee who arranged the purchase who bought it).

False inaccurate beliefs even when presented with accurate info-he may have been worried that his dad was going to loose all of their money even after he was shown contracts etc that showed otherwise.
There were no contracts. That was the reason for the meeting. He would be in a better position to know how much of WM's money was being lost than AS would.

JMO

 

[MsSherlock]

I could argue most of your points here.

Sadness/emptiness-some of DM's pics portray a look of emptiness & sadness IMHO.
Most of the later pictures are the ones where he looks sad. No one is happy all the time, and especially not after losing their father.

Losing interest/pleasure in usual enjoyments: doesn't appear to have been flying to any great degree.
He hadn't had much interest in planes for several years. He was still flying the helicopter as seen in some of the FB pictures.

Change of appetite-weight fluctuation-that's been noted on this forum
His weight change wasn't that extreme or abnormal for young men.

Insomnia-perhaps he played video games a lot because of this.
In my experience, sleep is more likely lost because of playing video games rather than the reverse. Regardless, I've seen nothing regarding him having insomnia in any of the reports.

Restlessness-Agitation-as when AS came to visit and DM became very agitated
In my opinion, it was AS who became very agitated.

Lack of motivation-not showing up for work until noon and not being motivated to get the hangar in shape.
The hangar construction was complete and no contracts were in place. What work was he supposed to show up for at 8:00 am?

Feeling worthless-he had some big aviation boots to fill-IMO, he may have felt worthless.
Nothing concrete here. No one has any idea whether he felt the need to fill those boots. Maybe he would have been content to go in his own directions (eg. properties)

Feeling guilty about things he wasn't responsible for-may have felt guilty that WM died.
Many people have guilt over things they had no control over. Eg. children can mistakenly feel responsible when parents divorce. Doesn't mean they're psychotic.

Bizarre Behavior-stealing trucks & vehicles he didn't need to steel-buying an incinerator-killing people
These have yet to be proven. And buying an incinerator may be bizarre to you, but he has not yet stated why he bought it (if it was in fact himself and not the employee who arranged the purchase who bought it).

False inaccurate beliefs even when presented with accurate info-he may have been worried that his dad was going to loose all of their money even after he was shown contracts etc that showed otherwise.
There were no contracts. That was the reason for the meeting. He would be in a better position to know how much of WM's money was being lost than AS would.

JMO

Yes, Alethea, they certainly could be argued. It was simply an observation that I made which would explain why a young man who seemed to have everything, would find himself in jail for murder. IMO These statistics seem interesting as well, and perhaps could explain WM's suicide? JMHO

http://www.statisticbrain.com/bipolar-disorder-statistics/

 

[MsSherlock]

It's possible that many people are suffering from mental illness. Please provide actual details of anything bi-polar that we know for a fact about DM. I know we cannot sleuth people who are not POI's but I feel it is not really necessary to project any and all negative insinuations to a guy without any actual proof or even a hint of it being true. I feel like DM is basically being hung drawn and quartered based on nothing with any truth to it. JMO

Mental illness is very multi-faceted .. either the person knows they have a problem or they can also think others have problems and they are sane ! I do not see any traits that can be linked to DM insofar a s mental illness is concerned.... JMO

I have known people with mental illness who think everyone but them is totally nuts...and there are others who get a hate on for certain people and then appear to be absolutely psychotic whilst demeaning the object of their hatred. I have not seen or heard anything like this that can be attributed to DM....in fact compared to people I have described the guy seems totally sane and no more depressed than anyone who has recently lost a parent. JMO

Blomquist, perhaps I'm way out to lunch on the bi-polar thing, and I'm kind of happy not everyone sees it that way IMO, the fewer people that draw the conclusion may mean the less chance of it being used as a successful defense if in fact the evidence proves DM's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. JMHO

 

[Blomquist]

Blomquist, perhaps I'm way out to lunch on the bi-polar thing, and I'm kind of happy not everyone sees it that way IMO, the fewer people that draw the conclusion may mean the less chance of it being used as a successful defense if in fact the evidence proves DM's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. JMHO

Somehow I do not think that is anywhere close to what DM's lawyer has in mind. I think his lawyer has stated that DM is quite sane in so many words JMO.... so pleading insanity would not be on the cards IMO..

 

[Blomquist]

Don't try to extrapolate "drawing and quartering" DM from my post. I was just posting my :twocents: in answer to the laundry list of symptoms. Just because someone doesn't obviously exhibit those symptoms, doesn't mean they don't have an illness. I really don't have much of an opinion either way of whether DM is mentally ill, but I do think it is possible.

I wasn't trying to do anything.... except put how I feel DM is being treated in general...

All things are possible imo....but are they likely....not so much, imo:twocents:

 

[Alethea Dice]

Yes, Alethea, they certainly could be argued. It was simply an observation that I made which would explain why a young man who seemed to have everything, would find himself in jail for murder. IMO These statistics seem interesting as well, and perhaps could explain WM's suicide? JMHO

http://www.statisticbrain.com/bipolar-disorder-statistics/

This could also explain WM's suicide.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6648755

IMO, the suicide could very likely have been a result of investing the last of the MillardAir fortune in a hopeless project and realizing his mistake too late. Which would also explain his return to drinking, if those reports are true.

JMO

 

[Juballee]

Blomquist, perhaps I'm way out to lunch on the bi-polar thing, and I'm kind of happy not everyone sees it that way IMO, the fewer people that draw the conclusion may mean the less chance of it being used as a successful defense if in fact the evidence proves DM's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. JMHO

<modsnip>I don't follow every case, but generally from what I have seen, when someone accused of a heinous crime is identified, when it was in any way obvious that they are not all there in any way, there are always people there to say it right up front. When someone has a serious mental illness, is it noticeable to those around them, it can only be hidden for so long, and if it is going to progress to the point where they kill people, there were usually some early warning signs, that if not noticed before are certainly quickly recalled when the poop hits the fan.

We would all like to find a motive for this, but I just don't think DM has one, in my opinion.

 

[MsSherlock]

<modsnip> I don't follow every case, but generally from what I have seen, when someone accused of a heinous crime is identified, when it was in any way obvious that they are not all there in any way, there are always people there to say it right up front. When someone has a serious mental illness, is it noticeable to those around them, it can only be hidden for so long, and if it is going to progress to the point where they kill people, there were usually some early warning signs, that if not noticed before are certainly quickly recalled when the poop hits the fan.

We would all like to find a motive for this, but I just don't think DM has one, in my opinion.

Juballee, IMO I wasn't using "precise" medical terms, I was using a very common term for what is a very complex illness and as usual, its all MOO. I do not know if DM has had a psychiatric assessment while under arrest, and it could be premature to say if it will be a factor in his plea. At this point he is simply pleading "not guilty". My comment of being "out to lunch" was solely in reference to the indicators in relationship to what we know about DM and it would certainly explain out of character/rash/homicidal behavior that he's been charged with. Mental illness and murder is not a conceptual relationship-there have been psychopathic murderers in the past MHO.

"Mental illness strikes the young and often goes undiagnosed and untreated for many years."
http://www.iccd.org/keyfacts.html#young

 

[swedie]

This question was posed to me a few days ago, where the incinerator was kept/stored, but I could not recall. According to this article (answer in red). Although the incinerator was delivered to the farmland, it doesn't mean it stayed on the farmland. Maybe, maybe not. What I also found interesting, is the comment from the salesman BP. What did LE tell BP for him to respond that way? I can only imagine. MOO

But the latest details brought to light refocus the attention back on Bosma's death. The Globe and Mail details the history of a livestock incinerator found on the plot of Millard's property where Bosma's badly-burned body was later discovered by police.

According to the Globe report, the $15,000 device was purchased by an employee of Millardair, the family aviation company later bequeathed to Millard after his father's death.

Investigators have been in touch with both the Manitoba-based company that sold the device and its Georgian manufacturers, SuperNova Manufacturers.
&#8220;We&#8217;re terribly sad for the family,&#8221; salesman Bill Penner told the Globe. &#8220;That&#8217;s not what the unit is for.&#8221;
The incinerator was delivered to Millard's farm in July 2012.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dail...-millard-livestock-incinerator-135236909.html

 

[swedie]

For anyone who is interested, maybe this article from JVA, a former head of the OPP's criminal profiling unit can shed some light or consideration on the subject of the murderers mentality. I also posted this on another thread, IIRC DM's. From his experience and expertise he believes whoever is responsible for TB's murder, had murder in mind from the get-go.

FYI, people who are bi-polar and receive proper treatment, medication being the primary treatment, along with self awareness and self control do not usually show signs/indications of their disorder. It is chronic, treatable and can be genetic/hereditary. So for anyone to say DM does not or could not be afflicted with a mental illness, IMHO is in denial and close minded. I assume that conclusion is drawn from the same who cannot understand or refuse to understand/believe DM may very well be a murderer. A mental illness, disorder or disease is nothing to be ashamed of, as it is not the fault of the person who is afflicted with it. Although many afflicted with bipolar are ashamed even when treated. Not only are some of these disorders genetic, but life experiences can set someone up for mental issues such as upbringing/parenting, peers, abuse in different forms can lead to many disorders. At no time have I stated DM suffers from any mental health disorder, disease or illness, I am merely pointing in the direction that it is a possibility, one which could explain the mentality of the accused, one or both. To simplify, this criminal profiler describes traits that are NOT that of a healthy minded individual. HTH and JMO.

Bosma's killer is abusive, exploitative and a risk-taker: profiler

"This could have been a standard carjacking: overpower him, leave him," said Van Allen, who heads the Behavioural Sciences Group in Langley, B.C.
"But we see a determination here to not be detected, to delay discovery or identification of the body. When Mr. Bosma went for the test drive, he was a marked man."
He added that the killer is someone who is exploitative, abusive, lacks any empathy and is a risk-taker.

The murderer deviates from what is typically seen in the car theft racket, he said, where excessive violence is not the norm.

"It's not uncommon for allegedly smart people to be caught by police for crimes like this. They think they are smart enough to commit a crime but don't have the skills to avoid detection. There is often overconfidence there. And there can be risk gratification involved as well."

As for the accused man, "Dell" Millard, he is tall, good-looking and could perhaps be excused for having a healthy ego, given the notoriety his late father, Wayne, and late grandfather, Carl, had in aviation.
Millard, an only child, seemed to display a grandiose sense of his family history in an obituary he wrote following his father's death. In the obituary published last December, he referred to himself in the third person.
His grandfather was portrayed in swashbuckling fashion in a profile written in
Wings Magazine, where he was described as a "rebel" and a "direct descendant" of Mohawk Chief Joseph Brant. Millard again referenced himself in the third person

How well did Dellen Millard, who had the word "Ambition" tattooed on his wrist for all to see, live up to the family name?

http://www.mississauga.com/news-sto...abusive-exploitive-and-a-risk-taker-profiler/

 

[Snoofo]

This question was posed to me a few days ago, where the incinerator was kept/stored, but I could not recall. According to this article (answer in red). Although the incinerator was delivered to the farmland, it doesn't mean it stayed on the farmland. Maybe, maybe not. What I also found interesting, is the comment from the salesman BP. What did LE tell BP for him to respond that way? I can only imagine. MOO

But the latest details brought to light refocus the attention back on Bosma's death. The Globe and Mail details the history of a livestock incinerator found on the plot of Millard's property where Bosma's badly-burned body was later discovered by police.

According to the Globe report, the $15,000 device was purchased by an employee of Millardair, the family aviation company later bequeathed to Millard after his father's death.

Investigators have been in touch with both the Manitoba-based company that sold the device and its Georgian manufacturers, SuperNova Manufacturers.
&#8220;We&#8217;re terribly sad for the family,&#8221; salesman Bill Penner told the Globe. &#8220;That&#8217;s not what the unit is for.&#8221;
The incinerator was delivered to Millard's farm in July 2012.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dail...-millard-livestock-incinerator-135236909.html

Hi Swedie it was me who asked if you knew where the incinerator was "normally stored" in response to this question you came up with:

How did the incinerator just appear on DM's farmland at the time of TB's murder, that DM hadn't noticed it missing from where it was normally stored?

It sounded like you knew something more that I thought I missed. It appears there is no evidence that it was moved from anywhere and that was just speculation.

So far as your query about what LE told BP for him to respond with those words you quoted ("that's not what he unit is for"), let's keep in mind he was actually speaking to the Globe hence he was more likely to have been responding to something the Globe's reporter asked or suggested and not LE. In this regard, I would imagine LE calls to ask the questions and not to leak any important evidence they may have. JMO and my :twocents:


<modsnip>

 

[Snoofo]

Quote from Swedie:

So for anyone to say DM does not or could not be afflicted with a mental illness, IMHO is in denial and close minded.

Truly, nobody wants to be close-minded. I think those who are defending the idea that there is no evidence at this point that DM has any mental health issues are also the ones who are willing to take a step back from tunnel vision the sadness and anger of TBs death has caused and say that even though all this evidence attached to DMs property doesnt look good on him, let's keep an open mind and look at other possibilities, because technically the evidence could have very well been planted and he could have been set up all along. <modsnip>

It is close-minded to say DM could not be inflicted with a mental illness, but then why don't we all agree to also assume DM has a artificial limb that we haven't seen yet therefore it is possible it exists?

I don't think anybody said he couldn't have a mental illness, just that unless someone in here has the professional background and has assessed DM privately, it is an unfair assumption to make....especially by some folks who think he's the murderer...just adds to the stigma behind mental health disorders IMO.

 

[swedie]

Recent video interview with SB, after the last court date Aug. 1st. IMO the way SB speaks about seeing the accused in the courtroom makes me confident she was able to positively ID them. When the interviewer stated they (DM and SB) locked eyes for an instant, that's a great indication DM also recognized SB, he was able to pick her out in the gallery. She said that feeling was something she couldn't describe. I can only imagine as there would be so many mixed, overwhelming feelings, often stated by other victims, who have coming face to face with someone who savagely murdered their loved one.

The fact that LE seized the incinerator as evidence tells me it was used at some point since its purchase. Should they have found nothing (ashes) to indicate otherwise I can not see why they would seized it.

Bosma&#8217;s body was found on May 14, during a police search of Millard's property. The incinerator has been seized as evidence.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dail...-millard-livestock-incinerator-135236909.html

As to where the incinerator was stored, we do not know that answer, only that it was delivered to the farmland last July. Just throwing out some suggestions where it may have been stored: In the barn, at the hangar, where it was found amongst the trees IIRC, with maybe a tarp over it as it looks pretty clean.[/I]

UNDERLINED: reporter error-TB father of one or father of a two year old.

Two men working on a farm near Millard&#8217;s property on Roseville Road in North Dumfries said Wednesday afternoon that one of them took a photo of what appears to be an incinerator on Millard&#8217;s property. The pair, who did not want to be identified, said police have since seized the phone with the photo on it and told the men not to speak to media about the image.

When asked what an incinerator would be used for on a farm, one man shook his head and shrugged. &#8220;Burning things.&#8221; he said. &#8220;Burning livestock. Dead livestock.&#8221;

http://www.therecord.com/sports-sto...lard-to-plead-not-guilty-in-tim-bosma-murder/

Yes, as reported earlier in the Toronto Sun, The Eliminator SN250 model, was discovered on the first-degree murder accused&#8217;s farm and has become a key component of the investigation into the death of Tim Bosma.

Police will allege one of these Georgia-built animal incinerators was used in an attempt to dispose of the murdered remains of husband and father of two.

The allegations show it was a savage murder. The revelation that his body was made to disappear through an incinerator is macabre.

As of deadline at least two suspects remained on the lam and although the question has been raised if any of them could have also been &#8220;burned beyond all recognition&#8221; as Bosma was, several police sources say they don&#8217;t think so.

&#8220;Everything was going on normal for them prior to Dellen&#8217;s arrest so we think they are out there not too far away,&#8221; said the detective.

But with something as bizarre as the Eliminator involved, police say nothing that comes up in this case would surprise them.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/16/police-investigate-incinerators-role-in-tim-bosma-slaying

 

[Blomquist]

Quote from Swedie:


Truly, nobody wants to be close-minded. I think those who are defending the idea that there is no evidence at this point that DM has any mental health issues are also the ones who are willing to take a step back from tunnel vision the sadness and anger of TBs death has caused and say that even though all this evidence attached to DMs property doesnt look good on him, let's keep an open mind and look at other possibilities, because technically the evidence could have very well been planted and he could have been set up all along. <modsnip>

It is close-minded to say DM could not be inflicted with a mental illness, but then why don't we all agree to also assume DM has a artificial limb that we haven't seen yet therefore it is possible it exists?

I don't think anybody said he couldn't have a mental illness, just that unless someone in here has the professional background and has assessed DM privately, it is an unfair assumption to make....especially by some folks who think he's the murderer...just adds to the stigma behind mental health disorders IMO.

Having worked within a facility for mental illness at one time... I do not see any worrying traits surfacing about the state of DM's mental health. I do know that it can be that if someone projects a mental illness onto someone that it can mean that someone could be projecting the state of their own mind upon another. I have actually seen this in action within the environment I worked in... although I dont believe we have heard MS or DM project onto each other as yet so I guess the diagnosis does not apply at this point.

I am always wary of pointing fingers myself...... as my mother said... While you are pointing at another, three other fingers are pointing back at yourself... I always thought that was a very good expression and has often made me think twice before accusing anyone of anything without first being absolutely sure. MOO

 

[skatergirl]

Recent video interview with SB, after the last court date Aug. 1st. IMO the way SB speaks about seeing the accused in the courtroom makes me confident she was able to positively ID them. When the interviewer stated they (DM and SB) locked eyes for an instant, that's a great indication DM also recognized SB, he was able to pick her out in the gallery. She said that feeling was something she couldn't describe. I can only imagine as there would be so many mixed, overwhelming feelings, often stated by other victims, who have coming face to face with someone who savagely murdered their loved one.

The fact that LE seized the incinerator as evidence tells me it was used at some point since its purchase. Should they have found nothing (ashes) to indicate otherwise I can not see why they would seized it.

Bosma’s body was found on May 14, during a police search of Millard's property. The incinerator has been seized as evidence.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dail...-millard-livestock-incinerator-135236909.html

As to where the incinerator was stored, we do not know that answer, only that it was delivered to the farmland last July. Just throwing out some suggestions where it may have been stored: In the barn, at the hangar, where it was found amongst the trees IIRC, with maybe a tarp over it as it looks pretty clean.[/I]

UNDERLINED: reporter error-TB father of one or father of a two year old.

Two men working on a farm near Millard’s property on Roseville Road in North Dumfries said Wednesday afternoon that one of them took a photo of what appears to be an incinerator on Millard’s property. The pair, who did not want to be identified, said police have since seized the phone with the photo on it and told the men not to speak to media about the image.

When asked what an incinerator would be used for on a farm, one man shook his head and shrugged. “Burning things.” he said. “Burning livestock. Dead livestock.”

http://www.therecord.com/sports-sto...lard-to-plead-not-guilty-in-tim-bosma-murder/

Yes, as reported earlier in the Toronto Sun, The Eliminator SN250 model, was discovered on the first-degree murder accused’s farm and has become a key component of the investigation into the death of Tim Bosma.

Police will allege one of these Georgia-built animal incinerators was used in an attempt to dispose of the murdered remains of husband and father of two.

The allegations show it was a savage murder. The revelation that his body was made to disappear through an incinerator is macabre.

As of deadline at least two suspects remained on the lam and although the question has been raised if any of them could have also been “burned beyond all recognition” as Bosma was, several police sources say they don’t think so.

“Everything was going on normal for them prior to Dellen’s arrest so we think they are out there not too far away,” said the detective.

But with something as bizarre as the Eliminator involved, police say nothing that comes up in this case would surprise them.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/16/police-investigate-incinerators-role-in-tim-bosma-slaying

Adding to that, the following quote-
“It’s like a crematorium,” the officer said. “How his body was disposed of would make the hair on the back of anyone’s neck curl up.”
http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/16/tim-bosmas-murder-may-have-been-thrill-kill-source
LE officers are, unfortunately, subjected to a lot of grisly discoveries, so for an officer to come forward with this comment, IMO, it suggests something beyond that which they are accustomed to in a murder investigation

 

[Alethea Dice]

Recent video interview with SB, after the last court date Aug. 1st. IMO the way SB speaks about seeing the accused in the courtroom makes me confident she was able to positively ID them. When the interviewer stated they (DM and SB) locked eyes for an instant, that's a great indication DM also recognized SB, he was able to pick her out in the gallery. She said that feeling was something she couldn't describe.

Could you tell me where in the video it says that they "locked eyes"? I see at the beginning of the interview, the reporter says "it seemed, you know, when he was scanning the courtroom, that he saw you for a moment as you were looking at him". Is that what you're referring to?

It struck me odd if they had locked eyes, because this reporter says...

Then, as he has done before, he takes a long, slow look around the courtroom.

He has no idea who Sharlene is.

His eyes do not land on her. Not even for a second. There is no glimmer of recognition.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/3921711-widow-sits-through-appearances-of-bosma-s-accused-killers/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

[swedie]

Could you tell me where in the video it says that they "locked eyes"? I see at the beginning of the interview, the reporter says "it seemed, you know, when he was scanning the courtroom, that he saw you for a moment as you were looking at him". Is that what you're referring to?

It struck me odd if they had locked eyes, because this reporter says...



http://www.thespec.com/news-story/3921711-widow-sits-through-appearances-of-bosma-s-accused-killers/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Clipped from my post above.
the interviewer stated they (DM and SB) locked eyes for an instant,

No problem AD. I did give the link, guess you missed it. Here it is again. Scroll down to the video. It's around 1:30 into the video. HTH.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dail...-millard-livestock-incinerator-135236909.html

 

[swedie]

Having worked within a facility for mental illness at one time... I do not see any worrying traits surfacing about the state of DM's mental health. I do know that it can be that if someone projects a mental illness onto someone that it can mean that someone could be projecting the state of their own mind upon another. I have actually seen this in action within the environment I worked in... although I dont believe we have heard MS or DM project onto each other as yet so I guess the diagnosis does not apply at this point.

I am always wary of pointing fingers myself...... as my mother said... While you are pointing at another, three other fingers are pointing back at yourself... I always thought that was a very good expression and has often made me think twice before accusing anyone of anything without first being absolutely sure. MOO

BBM It's called hypnosis but IMO not a very good explanation. I believe Dr. Sanrk helped with the theory. Uh huh, uh huh. :shush::lol:

Again, for those who missed the boat, I did not say DM nor MS have any mental health issues. :deadhorse: And how anyone can tell if they do, without sitting down and profiling them, or being in their company while not under some form of treatment, and/or having their history, there is no way of knowing with some mental disorders.

MOO is based mainly on what I have read in regards to what the former head of the OPP's criminal profiler has stated, (link upstream) and from other bits gathered here and there (it's against TOS to post), in which I base the POSSIBILITY one or both COULD HAVE a mental disorder. It is not common practice here in Canada in our judicial system to release a criminals mental disorder unless they are blaming or considering to blame the crime on a mental disorder. The only time that information would be released/used is in their defense. That in itself is high criteria to fill with extensive examinations before that excuse can be used. HTH and clarifies DM and/or MS COULD POSSIBLY HAVE MENTAL DISORDER(S) but we do not know at this time and may never know. Maybe when a book is wrote about this case or on DM and his aviation dynasty. MOO.

MAYBE this one is more fitting...
borderline personality disorder - severe difficulty with relationships, placing
yourself in danger, making decisions that turn out to be very bad for you –
most often as a result of a history of child abuse, abandonment or neglect.

Hand out with easy to read/understand terminology from Society of Canada
http://www.mooddisorderscanada.ca/d...k Facts 3rd Edition Referenced Plain Text.pdf

I'm off to cuddle my blue elephant now. :tyou:fftobed:

 

[Alethea Dice]

Clipped from my post above.
the interviewer stated they (DM and SB) locked eyes for an instant,

No problem AD. I did give the link, guess you missed it. Here it is again. Scroll down to the video. It's around 1:30 into the video. HTH.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dail...-millard-livestock-incinerator-135236909.html

Thanks, Swedie. I was looking at the more complete video of the interview and thought that was your link. (Too many windows open, I guess.)

I'm not sure why the CBC news announcer in your link states that they "locked eyes" because that clearly is not what was said in the interview. Here is the approximately 27 minute interview.

http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Canada/Hamilton/ID/2399140975/

At 1 minute into the interview, the reporter states "it seemed, you know, when he was scanning the courtroom, that he saw you for a moment as you were looking at him".

The interviewer's own tweet from the courtroom:

Nil Köksal&#8207;@nilkoksalcbc1 Aug
Those 2 min. visibly difficult for Sharlene #Bosma.Fighting tears before seeing Millard,she began to shake violently when he entered

The CBC article:

"It's hard for Sharlene to sit in the courtroom. She shakes when asked about seeing Millard in the prisoner's box, and being in his line of vision as he scanned the room."

And again, from the Spec:

"Then, as he has done before, he takes a long, slow look around the courtroom.

He has no idea who Sharlene is.

His eyes do not land on her. Not even for a second. There is no glimmer of recognition."


The only reason I can see for the announcer to exaggerate what actually occurred by saying they "locked eyes", is to sensationalize the story and create a bigger emotional impact.

This is why, when possible, I prefer to see the video of what actually was said, rather than trusting completely in a reporter's slant in their quest to sell the story and get views.

JMO