The Incinerator

[swedie]

That could just mean that police moved it across from the original location to have access to where the ground was scorched. The forensics tents were set up over the burned ground.

JMO

IMO the incinerator was used in the field as not to start trees ablaze from the heat being released by the stack at the top. The picture(s) we saw of the incinerator is more than likely the one the neighbour took amongst the trees where DM moved it after the murder. From what the neighbour claims he saw it sitting originally where the ground was scorched. Good thing he was observant and it raised his curiosity about this strange piece of equipment. He said he googled it and that is how he learnt what it was. I think it's highly suspect he saw DM on the property after TB's murder, moving it amongst the trees, out of glaring sight.

After hearing of DM's arrest, maybe Saturday or Sunday, that set off the neighbour's hinky metre about the incinerator or the moving of it. He went over to check things out and upon doing so smelled something terrible. I would think had he found TB's body/charred remains lying in the open field, something tells me that would have probably leaked out to the MSM as well as the information about the pictures. And because there was no obvious evidence (TB's body), there would be no need for an immediate/emergency search warrant. JMHO.

Oddly the neighbour discovered the incinerator the very same day DM was arrested. :waitasec: Remember DM was being followed for four hours prior to his arrest?! There may just be something telling about those coincidental happenings. If he called LE on the Saturday or Sunday (weekend), it would go to reason they would have to wait a day or so to obtain a search warrant for DM's properties. LE obtained the search warrants for both the property and hangar on Monday, May 13th. JMO but the incinerator was likely stored in the barn or back amongst the trees where I assume DM moved it to after TB's murder. All :moo:

IMO who excavates swampy areas of uninhabited farmland in the winter?! Why? Any logical explanations?

More tweets from:
Trevor Dunn ‏@trevorjdunn 14 May
Neighbour of Dellen Millard says a swampy area of Bosma murder suspect's farm was being excavated this winter.

Photo allegedly taken Friday at Bosma murder suspect's farm. Neighbour says Millard had an incinerator

A neighbour of Dellen Millard says this is a portable incinerator found on the suspect's farm last week.

There are no words I can use to express this devastation.

Hamilton Police have discovered the remains of Tim Bosma. Tragically, they say the remains were burned

Chief: it is with heavy heart that Hamilton Police announce the death of Tim Bosma.

This is a tragedy. Rest In Peace, Tim Bosma.

 

[robynhood]

Great post to Swede..post # 821!....IMO this makes wonderful sense to me too...great websleuthing..IMO too....
....IMO >>>>It shall be interesting ti hear " WHAT" DM was doing while the POLICE WERE following him.. for thise 4 hours That SATURDAY am before he was arrested????

..UNFORTUNATELY we shall have to WAIT PATIENTLY for this to go to court....IMO a long time as that was stated by DM lawyer....I think it said possibly 2014 if a JUDGE deems that so .....

and yes I agree SWEDE what a horrible crime...I have no words also to express my devastation and sorrow on this case...

I wish the Bosma FAMILY my very best in trying to wait for a trial and RIP to Mr. Tim Bosma ...such a horrific murder...IMO...sadden still robynhood....!

 

[Archangel7]

Gosh the Millards have some really nosey neighbours don't they...wherever they are these neighbours appear almost as if on command.... I think I need to become a recluse haha

Anyway imo...forensics would leave at night and judging by the neighbours propensity to trespass.... what if they took a look after they left....?

bbm

LE protocol requires/mandates 24/7 "guard" of crime scenes under current and active investigation in order to protect the integrity of any possible evidence within the designated crime scene. If the crime scene is manned and active by forensic examiners, there is someone responsible for ensuring whom and what enters and leaves the designated crime scene(recorded and documented) for the same purpose of crime scene integrity.

 

[Juballee]

IMO the incinerator was used in the field as not to start trees ablaze from the heat being released by the stack at the top. The picture(s) we saw of the incinerator is more than likely the one the neighbour took amongst the trees where DM moved it after the murder. From what the neighbour claims he saw it sitting originally where the ground was scorched. Good thing he was observant and it raised his curiosity about this strange piece of equipment. He said he googled it and that is how he learnt what it was. I think it's highly suspect he saw DM on the property after TB's murder, moving it amongst the trees, out of glaring sight.

After hearing of DM's arrest, maybe Saturday or Sunday, that set off the neighbour's hinky metre about the incinerator or the moving of it. He went over to check things out and upon doing so smelled something terrible. I would think had he found TB's body/charred remains lying in the open field, something tells me that would have probably leaked out to the MSM as well as the information about the pictures. And because there was no obvious evidence (TB's body), there would be no need for an immediate/emergency search warrant. JMHO.

Oddly the neighbour discovered the incinerator the very same day DM was arrested. :waitasec: Remember DM was being followed for four hours prior to his arrest?! There may just be something telling about those coincidental happenings. If he called LE on the Saturday or Sunday (weekend), it would go to reason they would have to wait a day or so to obtain a search warrant for DM's properties. LE obtained the search warrants for both the property and hangar on Monday, May 13th. JMO but the incinerator was likely stored in the barn or back amongst the trees where I assume DM moved it to after TB's murder. All :moo:

IMO who excavates swampy areas of uninhabited farmland in the winter?! Why? Any logical explanations?

More tweets from:
Trevor Dunn ‏@trevorjdunn 14 May
Neighbour of Dellen Millard says a swampy area of Bosma murder suspect's farm was being excavated this winter.

Photo allegedly taken Friday at Bosma murder suspect's farm. Neighbour says Millard had an incinerator

A neighbour of Dellen Millard says this is a portable incinerator found on the suspect's farm last week.

There are no words I can use to express this devastation.

Hamilton Police have discovered the remains of Tim Bosma. Tragically, they say the remains were burned

Chief: it is with heavy heart that Hamilton Police announce the death of Tim Bosma.

This is a tragedy. Rest In Peace, Tim Bosma.

Are you saying that the neighbour saw DM on the farm after TB's death in the first paragraph, then in the second paragraph saying that he saw the incinerator the Saturday or Sunday after DM's arrest, when it would have been guarded by police, then in the third paragraph that he was actually there the day DM was arrested to take the photo? Can you please clarify which one you mean for me?

 

[Blomquist]

bbm

LE protocol requires/mandates 24/7 "guard" of crime scenes under current and active investigation in order to protect the integrity of any possible evidence within the designated crime scene. If the crime scene is manned and active by forensic examiners, there is someone responsible for ensuring whom and what enters and leaves the designated crime scene(recorded and documented) for the same purpose of crime scene integrity.

Well maybe they saw it being hauled away then..... leaving scorch marks in its original place (in the days before) JMO

 

[Blomquist]

Are you saying that the neighbour saw DM on the farm after TB's death in the first paragraph, then in the second paragraph saying that he saw the incinerator the Saturday or Sunday after DM's arrest, when it would have been guarded by police, then in the third paragraph that he was actually there the day DM was arrested to take the photo? Can you please clarify which one you mean for me?

It read to me like the neighbour is saying that they saw the incinerator in its òriginal`position and that they saw a scorch mark when they saw it...hmmm

Then they say that it was not now in its òriginal`location....maybe after it was hauled off for examination.....

If this is so...then I wonder how many people saw the scorch mark and whether said area was now in fact contaminated by these neighbours.... JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

It read to me like the neighbour is saying that they saw the incinerator in its òriginal`position and that they saw a scorch mark when they saw it...hmmm

Then they say that it was not now in its òriginal`location....maybe after it was hauled off for examination.....

If this is so...then I wonder how many people saw the scorch mark and whether said area was now in fact contaminated by these neighbours.... JMO

I'm going to take a guess here at what may have happened.

The tweets said that the neighbour took the picture on Friday and that the incinerator had been moved recently.

Trevor Dunn‏@trevorjdunn16 May
Police confirm incinerator found at farm of Bosma murder suspect and this may be it: Neighbour took photo on Friday pic.twitter.com/u45v4N1tGP

Trevor Dunn‏@trevorjdunn14 May
Millard neighbour says incinerator he photographed was moved recently. On Friday, at it's original location, the ground was scorched.

Trevor Dunn‏@trevorjdunn14 May
Neighbour says forensic investigation tent is now set up over burnt soil he observed Friday - where incinerator was originally located

It sounds possible that the neighbour saw the incinerator at some earlier date, in the spot that now has the scorched ground. The ground was probably not burned at that point. He went back on Friday to take the picture (coincidentally the same day DM was arrested), saw that the incinerator had been moved, saw the scorched ground, and called LE. Although the search warrants weren't executed until Monday, there were reports that LE were at the farm as early as Friday. That could have been to secure the property until the warrants were executed, as is what happened at the hangar.

Saturday police tape was put up around Millard Air Hangar 53 at Waterloo International Airport in Breslau.

A police cruiser sits remains outside the hangar.

Hamilton police tell CTV News that they have secured a search warrant but are waiting until Monday to enter the hangar.

They say they were busy conducting other searches Sunday but remained tight lipped about where.

http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/mother-issues-tearful-plea-for-son-s-safe-return-1.1278155

A man coming to check on a plane at a private airstrip across the road said he was told police had been at the farm property over the weekend, possibly as early as Friday.

http://www.therecord.com/sports-story/3242933-tim-bosma-police-search-focused-in-waterloo-region/

That doesn't explain why there wasn't a rush on the searches, since TB was still missing at that point.

And, I would think, that still leaves the risk of a contaminated crime scene.

JMO

 

[Snoofo]

I'm going to take a guess here at what may have happened.

The tweets said that the neighbour took the picture on Friday and that the incinerator had been moved recently.





It sounds possible that the neighbour saw the incinerator at some earlier date, in the spot that now has the scorched ground. The ground was probably not burned at that point. He went back on Friday to take the picture (coincidentally the same day DM was arrested), saw that the incinerator had been moved, saw the scorched ground, and called LE. Although the search warrants weren't executed until Monday, there were reports that LE were at the farm as early as Friday. That could have been to secure the property until the warrants were executed, as is what happened at the hangar.



http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/mother-issues-tearful-plea-for-son-s-safe-return-1.1278155



http://www.therecord.com/sports-story/3242933-tim-bosma-police-search-focused-in-waterloo-region/

That doesn't explain why there wasn't a rush on the searches, since TB was still missing at that point.

And, I would think, that still leaves the risk of a contaminated crime scene.

JMO

I still wonder what kind of neighbour can be so useful to police, be surely told to keep away from MSM, yet still report so much to MSM within days? Beats me.

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[Archangel7]

Is there contamination if all who enter are known and accounted for? If I know the neighbor was there and find his hair does it change anything, if LE finds one of their own hairs there does it change the direct evidence?

Where is the contamination of either evidence or chain of custody?

Are the neighbors now in on the murder too?

Anyway..........

On the incinerator movement, it could be another media circus like the trailer at DM's mother's home.

 

[Archangel7]

I still wonder what kind of neighbour can be so useful to police, be surely told to keep away from MSM, yet still report so much to MSM within days? Beats me.

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Perhaps you have the chronology order incorrect.

Possibly LE /Crown put him on the no contact list or Crown witness list, after
the PB ban and after his 1st initial media interview?

I'd be surprised if he wasn't a Crown witness if needed.

 

[ArianeEmory]

Is there contamination if all who enter are known and accounted for? If I know the neighbor was there and find his hair does it change anything, if LE finds one of their own hairs there does it change the direct evidence?

Where is the contamination of either evidence or chain of custody?

Are the neighbors now in on the murder too?

Anyway..........

On the incinerator movement, it could be another media circus like the trailer at DM's mother's home.

Wouldn't be the first time it's been implied.

 

[Sillybilly]

Could someone please explain what they have in mind wrt contamination? Are we talking any activity at the scene of a crime prior to OR after it being officially declared a "crime scene"?

IOW, if we have a murder at a party attended by 20 people, would you consider any evidence related to persons other than the suspects to constitute contamination? IMO, in its usual context, "contamination" is something that occurs AFTER the scene is attended by LE and is officially declared a "crime scene". Whether 2 or 20 people walked across the scene prior to the arrival of LE, it is what it is to forensic investigators. More people having had access to the scene prior to LE involvement may make it a bit more complex for forensics to process, but it isn't necessarily considered "contaminated".

Or, are we suggesting that a bunch of LEOs threw up some crime scene tape and did a jig over or around scorched earth, or what?

Just because a neighbour or two may have walked onto or across the property, or even touched the incinerator while on the property, or a police issue boot print is found, these things can be addressed in the forensics process, so I'm not grasping how someone thinks we might have a contaminated crime scene based on what we know todate.

ETA: I see others addressed this before more ... in a much more succinct fashion as usual :floorlaugh:

 

[Snoofo]

Perhaps you have the chronology order incorrect.

Possibly LE /Crown put him on the no contact list or Crown witness list, after
the PB ban and after his 1st initial media interview?

I'd be surprised if he wasn't a Crown witness if needed.

I am not certain but believe it is highly probable this is the same neighbourvthat took a picture. If so, when he produced it to media he also told media LE took his camera or cell phone and told him not to talk to LE. I'm typing on my phone right now so it will be hard to copy that link in again but its been linked in this very thread many times I believe.

 

[Archangel7]

I am not certain but believe it is highly probable this is the same neighbourvthat took a picture. If so, when he produced it to media he also told media LE took his camera or cell phone and told him not to talk to LE. I'm typing on my phone right now so it will be hard to copy that link in again but its been linked in this very thread many times I believe.

No problem about the link as far as my concern, cell ph. aren't forum friendly lol......

That sounds believable about the physical evidence(they took his phone). I'm sure you mean LE told him to not speak with the media. Which sounds correct also.

He will likely then not be needed physically in court, his deposition and photos may suffice.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Is there contamination if all who enter are known and accounted for? If I know the neighbor was there and find his hair does it change anything, if LE finds one of their own hairs there does it change the direct evidence?

Where is the contamination of either evidence or chain of custody?

Are the neighbors now in on the murder too?

Anyway..........

On the incinerator movement, it could be another media circus like the trailer at DM's mother's home.

That is not what I meant. Perhaps I used the wrong "legal" word. Maybe I should have used "destruction" instead. They were suspicious of the incinerator. But instead of just calling the police and telling them what they had seen earlier, they went right on in to take another look, to take a picture for the press apparently, and to tromple all over everywhere maybe destroying important evidence. Does that mean they're in on the murder? Of course not. It just means they're idiots who walked through a potential crime scene, totally disregarded LE's request to say nothing to the press, and grabbed their 5 minutes of fame.


JMO

 

[Blomquist]

Is there contamination if all who enter are known and accounted for? If I know the neighbor was there and find his hair does it change anything, if LE finds one of their own hairs there does it change the direct evidence?

Where is the contamination of either evidence or chain of custody?

Are the neighbors now in on the murder too?

Anyway..........

On the incinerator movement, it could be another media circus like the trailer at DM's mother's home.

Well we dont know do we...The neighbour(s) for some reason were wandering on the property sometime PRIOR to the Friday and they allege that the Incinerator was in a different location. Now the question is ..exactly when did they go there PRIOR to Friday...

One must assume it was quite some time before and that they suddenly recalled it being there once TB went missing.....for some reason ....!!!

Or it was during the week that TB was missing and no scorch mark was there....but suddenly appeared on the Friday in time for the photograph !!!!

Either way they are incredibly astute and vigilant neighbours.... IMO....aside from the fact that they trespass regularly and talk to the press after being told by LE not to do so... I must say their actions are quite impressive.... one way or another... jmo:crosseyed:

 

[ArianeEmory]

I guess my question would be: why, then, do the neighbors get dissed so much in this thread? For being nosy, for destroying evidence, for spending "more time on his property than DM did," for being only in it for the fame (seriously?), for harming DM's defense, etc? There is definitely some level of implied blame. It's not their fault DM owned an incinerator, not their fault he went on a test drive with a man who ended up dead and burned on his property. The neighbors snapping pics and calling LE does not invalidate the incinerator's existence, does it?

 

[Blomquist]

No problem about the link as far as my concern, cell ph. aren't forum friendly lol......

That sounds believable about the physical evidence(they took his phone). I'm sure you mean LE told him to not speak with the media. Which sounds correct also.

He will likely then not be needed physically in court, his deposition and photos may suffice.

The defense could subpoena thought !

 

[Blomquist]

I guess my question would be: why, then, do the neighbors get dissed so much in this thread? For being nosy, for destroying evidence, for spending "more time on his property than DM did," for being only in it for the fame (seriously?), for harming DM's defense, etc? There is definitely some level of implied blame. It's not their fault DM owned an incinerator, not their fault he went on a test drive with a man who ended up dead and burned on his property. The neighbors snapping pics and calling LE does not invalidate the incinerator's existence, does it?

I guess maybe because we can suggest that things dont make sense to us... Not blaming anyone, merely pointing out possibilities....... people have pointed out the possibility that DM is a raving psychotic lunatic.... it doesn`t make it true, so I guess by that same logic, others see other anomalies, that others may not like or see, that they in their opinion would like to address.... HTH

 

[redheadedgal]

who excavates swampy areas of uninhabited farmland in the winter?! Why? Any logical explanations?

cleaning up tainted soil?

Riger said the contamination can be cleaned by removing the tainted soil and sending it to an incinerator

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...208_1_deland-airport-contaminants-found-riger


seems these guys like to do everything themself as evidenced by building vehicles... why hire a company to clean up when all you need is a bobcat to move/lift dirt and an incinerator to burn it and the toxicity away??