The Incinerator

[Sillybilly]

Although this thread is getting off topic....but since we're discussing it, is there a screen shot of LB's phone bill that shows the billing date? I've been searching, but have not been able to find anything. This information is usually on bills, and would be helpful to know if the bill date was July 3rd, or even 4th, in determining a) an estimation of when her bill would be mailed/received b)if there would have been another bill afterward showing further phone calls past July 3rd.
If her bill date was not until say the 15th, then it proves her phone was unused for roughly 2 weeks, and it's arrival in the mail would be close to the time SL confronted DM on July 27th, according to AD's link posted earlier.

skatergirl ... I've replied to you over in Laura's thread.

 

[Blomquist]

Not at all ... any case can be comprised of both direct and circumstantial. There have been peeps convicted on mostly circumstantial (Scott Peterson, Tim McVeigh come to mind).

Oh don't get me started on TMcV..... there is a lot more to that than meets the eye imo..... and to put his death on National TV was absolutely horrific...... much like the public gallows of old..... and I thought we had progressed as a ''society'' how wrong was I.... I really would love to know who was behind killing all those people and children....JMO

 

[Coldpizza]

If your post is missing regarding Laura Babcock check here:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=215508&page=5

 

[Archangel7]

He got way better than he gave the 168 innocent men women and children in OKC. May they RIP, I'll leave my comments at that for now.

Oh don't get me started on TMcV..... there is a lot more to that than meets the eye imo..... and to put his death on National TV was absolutely horrific...... much like the public gallows of old..... and I thought we had progressed as a ''society'' how wrong was I.... I really would love to know who was behind killing all those people and children....JMO

 

[Blomquist]

He got way better than he gave the 168 innocent men women and children in OKC. May they RIP, I'll leave my comments at that for now.

Like I said... there is a lot more to that...imo... I researched the hell out of that case since then and what a tremendous amount of info has since come to light !!!!!! 168 innocent people died but by whose hands....

Thats another reason why I like to get to the bottom of things and get to the real truth..... I dislike cover up/frame ups/set ups and anything that points towards the wrong people when in fact its someone(s) else.... JMO

Much like this Incinerator...which could well be one of a few imo red herrings !!! JMO


American Heritage Dictionary:
red herring

2./ Something that draws attention away from the central issue.

 

[Sillybilly]

:stormingmad:

x 168

 

[Blomquist]

We won't know much more in regard to the incinerator until it is addressed in court (if it is at all relevant).... JMO

 

[swedie]

This is eerily worded. The fact the incinerator was taken as evidence, suggestions to the volumes of charred materials recovered, no evidence (at that time) of additional victims... No additional victims because any other victims may have been reduced to nothing but ashes (the volume; human or animal?)? Kav said "at this time". Seems testing on the incinerator contents needed to be tested before he could say with certainty. Wonder what they found in the volume of ashes? MOO :O

We now know there was a body, so the volume of ashes really has me wondering... how many other victims?

Police have seized the incinerator from the property of Dellen Millard, charged with first-degree murder in the death of Mr. Bosma.

The report of further bodies is totally untrue at this time. May 13, 2013

Despite suggestions the volume of charred material recovered exceeded what would be expected from a man of Mr. Bosma’s size, there is no evidence of additional victims, police said.

“The report of further bodies is totally untrue at this time,” Staff-Sgt. Kavanagh told the National Post.

It is not known if the remains might be from farm animals from the large rural property in Ayr, west of Hamilton.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...rom-property-of-suspect-in-tim-bosmas-murder/

 

[Sillybilly]

DM also travelled throughout Europe with his family in the summer of 2012. Most of the photos of the trip have been removed from FB but it appears that he was in Croatia in June and Greece in August, so it is possible (but not confirmed) he was out of the country for the entire summer.

It seems he was at home July 1, as there is a 20+ minute phone call LB made to his number on that day.

 

[Snoofo]

It seems he was at home July 1, as there is a 20+ minute phone call LB made to his number on that day.

He can be reached in Europe too.
Maybe that is why so many phone calls before she actually got through to him?
:dunno:

 

[Blomquist]

He can be reached in Europe too.
Maybe that is why so many phone calls before she actually got through to him?
:dunno:

Well if thats the case.....I guess the linking of DM to the disappearance of LB becomes null and void.... I have always thought it odd that DM could be in Europe and Canada at around the same time !!!!!!!!!!!!........ Unless of course someone else had his Cdn phone whilst he was away !!!! Which is another possiblity.....

Not only that...if anyone is suggesting DM was a drug dealer , he certainly couldn't have been a good one ...with 3 month hiatuses from 'business' JMO

 

[Sillybilly]

Well if thats the case.....I guess the linking of DM to the disappearance of LB becomes null and void.... I have always thought it odd that DM could be in Europe and Canada at around the same time !!!!!!!!!!!!........ Unless of course someone else had his Cdn phone whilst he was away !!!! Which is another possiblity.....

Not only that...if anyone is suggesting DM was a drug dealer , he certainly couldn't have been a good one ...with 3 month hiatuses from 'business' JMO

IF he was in Europe for the entire summer ... and we don't know that as fact ... I don't consider it would make their association null and void. They had history and WERE linked around the time of her disappearance through phone records somehow. He is charged with the very serious crimes of forcible confinement and 1st degree murder. It appears he was one of the last people she was in contact with before she vanished. He is alleged to have denied such contact until such time as he was confronted with the proof. It is alleged he was supplying her with drugs.

A "Boss" can run their show by phone from wherever they are. I'm sure LE will have DM's phone records by now, so it might be interesting if those records reveal anything that smacks of drug running.

Wrong thread again !! The dates were initially being considered in relation to the incinerator purchase. I would add that whether he and his phone were in Europe, he could have ordered the incinerator by phone from there just as easily as if he was sitting in his condo, or wherever, in Canada.

 

[Blomquist]

IF he was in Europe for the entire summer ... and we don't know that as fact ... I don't consider it would make their association null and void. They had history and WERE linked around the time of her disappearance through phone records somehow. He is charged with the very serious crimes of forcible confinement and 1st degree murder. It appears he was one of the last people she was in contact with before she vanished. He is alleged to have denied such contact until such time as he was confronted with the proof. It is alleged he was supplying her with drugs.

A "Boss" can run their show by phone from wherever they are. I'm sure LE will have DM's phone records by now, so it might be interesting if those records reveal anything that smacks of drug running.

Wrong thread again !! The dates were initially being considered in relation to the incinerator purchase. I would add that whether he and his phone were in Europe, he could have ordered the incinerator by phone from there just as easily as if he was sitting in his condo, or wherever, in Canada.

I did not say it made their association null and void... I said any linking to her disappearance null and void imo.

I doubt very much he would order an incinerator whilst on vacation ...jmo.... which thanks for addressing it.... the incinerator was bought in July which imo could well mean that whoever was doing DM's business would have been the one ordering for any business at that time.... JMO

 

[MsSherlock]

IF he was in Europe for the entire summer ... and we don't know that as fact ... I don't consider it would make their association null and void. They had history and WERE linked around the time of her disappearance through phone records somehow. He is charged with the very serious crimes of forcible confinement and 1st degree murder. It appears he was one of the last people she was in contact with before she vanished. He is alleged to have denied such contact until such time as he was confronted with the proof. It is alleged he was supplying her with drugs.

A "Boss" can run their show by phone from wherever they are. I'm sure LE will have DM's phone records by now, so it might be interesting if those records reveal anything that smacks of drug running.

Wrong thread again !! The dates were initially being considered in relation to the incinerator purchase. I would add that whether he and his phone were in Europe, he could have ordered the incinerator by phone from there just as easily as if he was sitting in his condo, or wherever, in Canada.

IMO, I have yet to see anything verifying DM's travelling in June/July/August, however, there is an eye witness that has stated DM was in town in July/12
"He said he confronted Millard on July 27, 2012, with Babcock’s phone records. Millard eventually admitted he had been talking to Babcock, the ex-boyfriend said."
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...l_was_to_dellen_millard_exboyfriend_says.html

 

[MsSherlock]

And not to mistake the purpose of the purchase:
"The Ontario buyer said he wanted to dispose of dead farm animals."

"When the man placed an order for a portable livestock incinerator last summer, he asked all the usual questions about the device’s size and fuel source. Soon after, the unit was shipped for about $15,000."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...rge-in-mysterious-bosma-case/article12757899/

 

[expat cdn]

And not to mistake the purpose of the purchase:
"The Ontario buyer said he wanted to dispose of dead farm animals."

"When the man placed an order for a portable livestock incinerator last summer, he asked all the usual questions about the device’s size and fuel source. Soon after, the unit was shipped for about $15,000."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...rge-in-mysterious-bosma-case/article12757899/

And I think that tells us a lot right there, lying about the reason he was purchasing the incinerator.

 

[swedie]

Being as she dropped off her dog at her parents home in June, unfortunately the article doesn't give a date, sounds like she may have planned to go away and needed someone to care for her dog. Could June 26th be the date her parents last saw her? She may have left her dog with her parents because the place SL put her up in did not allow dogs or maybe the dog was too yappy. Suppose DM invited her along on a trip. A trip from which she never returned. A fake passport or ID made up for her? Very possible. She wouldn't need a passport if travelling by vehicle to the US as an enhanced DL would do. It's been said by her parents she also used the alias Elle Ryan, maybe she used that for fake ID or could have went by a totally different name.

The fact LB is missing and coincidentally DM made the incinerator purchase, (heaven knows for what reason) which was delivered to his farmland last July, is too much of a coincident IMO. Then there is this article (which I also posted yesterday) stating volumes of charred material. If the incinerator was not used in TB's case, it was used for something. Being as there were no animals on the property leads to the question, what was burned in the incinerator to leave volumes of charred material?

Because of the PB and the fact DM is being charged with TB's murder, we will not find out if forensics discovered LB's ashes in the incinerator. If it was announced of her demise, it could influence a jury when deciding a verdict in regards to TB's case. JMHO.

How unlucky can one person be to have so many negative coincidences happen to him in such a short time span?!

Then in June, Babcock dropped off her two-year-old Maltese dog, Lacey, unannounced, at her parent’s house. She never returned.

Police never interviewed Millard in connection to Babcock’s disappearance, her parents said. The detective assigned to her file was later promoted and they had not received updates for months, her parents said.

Toronto Police would not say what they were looking for at the farm. The search also wrapped up last week and there has been no information on what, if anything, was found.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...de_update_on_missing_woman_laura_babcock.html

Staff-Sgt. Matt Kavanagh, lead homicide investigator in the Tim Bosma case, would not confirm whether or not the machine was involved in Mr. Bosma’s death or in the disposal of Mr. Bosma’s remains.

Police have seized the incinerator from the property of Dellen Millard, charged with first-degree murder in the death of Mr. Bosma.

Despite suggestions the volume of charred material recovered exceeded what would be expected from a man of Mr. Bosma’s size, there is no evidence of additional victims, police said.

“The report of further bodies is totally untrue at this time,” Staff-Sgt. Kavanagh told the National Post.

It is not known if the remains might be from farm animals from the large rural property in Ayr, west of Hamilton.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...rom-property-of-suspect-in-tim-bosmas-murder/

 

[expat cdn]

There's a picture of the incinerator here (picture 7 of the slideshow)

http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/edmonton/2010/11/04/15964701.html

I'm guessing the tank connection is the same as a BBQ tank, so yes, I also think you could use several smaller tanks.

As for refilling from another tank on the farm, I don't think so. Filling a gas cylinder is a little more involved than pumping liquids like gasoline or diesel fuel.

Just read this and the article from the Edmonton Sun. Interesting because the women had contacted a salvage yard inquiring about buying their incinerator. So, now we know that some salvage yards must use incinerators to dispose of what? seats? ..not quite sure, vehicles? I suppose dash boards and plastic parts of the inside of the vehicles. Maybe this is why DM purchased the incinerator. Or he purchased it for the same reason the Edmonton woman did, and that was to dispose of a body.

 

[lanman]

Just read this and the article from the Edmonton Sun. Interesting because the women had contacted a salvage yard inquiring about buying their incinerator. So, now we know that some salvage yards must use incinerators to dispose of what? seats? ..not quite sure, vehicles? I suppose dash boards and plastic parts of the inside of the vehicles. Maybe this is why DM purchased the incinerator. Or he purchased it for the same reason the Edmonton woman did, and that was to dispose of a body.

Just because the lady bought the incinerator from a salvage yard does not mean that some salvage yards must use incinerators! The yard most likely bought it from someone that no longer needed it and sold it for the scrap metal value.

 

[ArianeEmory]

I'm going to take a guess and say I bet there are different types of incinerators purpose-built for different functions. One built for trash may be different from one built for deadstock or bodies.