The JonBenet Ramsey Case in popular culture

[Steve Eller]

Thanks for the post. I know this case is one where people tend to have set views. I can see why people have the view it was 'inside job' although I never understand why people think it is Burke as in my opinion this is nasty ill founded theory that has only really come to prominence after The Case Of JonBenet. However I can see why people might suspect John or Patsy in a way although in my view I think they both loved and cared for their daughter very much. My theory really is that of the late Detective Lou Smit but with a suspect. I believe my suspect liked to spend a long time in homes and would have written the Ransom Note as a joke before the crime as he had a sick sense of humour. I think it was a 'joke' but it also served as a big red herring. My suspect also liked to tie ornate knots. I am not going to name him here but you will get some idea of who he is if you read my posts. You may well be right but that is my view and he was no ordinary intruder. Cheers.

Smit was way off the mark. There was no intruder. And please don’t tell me it was Santa Bill the elderly man with a bad heart condition. No signs of forced entry anywhere in the house. No stun gun was used,
that crock of spit has been debunked ad infinitim. No way an intruder is getting through that little window in the basement and leaving the cob webs intact. The note was written using Patsy’s pad and sharpie pen with a practice note as well. The “intruder” not only coaxed JonBenet but would have fed her pineapple without worrying about getting caught or seen. The “intruder” deals a near fatal head blow to JonBenet and then waits at least 45 minutes before strangling her. He, she, or they leave without any footprints in the snow. I really could go on but it’s not necessary.

 

[jaejae]

Smit was way off the mark. There was no intruder. And please don’t tell me it was Santa Bill the elderly man with a bad heart condition. No signs of forced entry anywhere in the house. No stun gun was used,
that crock of spit has been debunked ad infinitim. No way an intruder is getting through that little window in the basement and leaving the cob webs intact. The note was written using Patsy’s pad and sharpie pen with a practice note as well. The “intruder” not only coaxed JonBenet but would have fed her pineapple without worrying about getting caught or seen. The “intruder” deals a near fatal head blow to JonBenet and then waits at least 45 minutes before strangling her. He, she, or they leave without any footprints in the snow. I really could go on but it’s not necessary.

Thanks for the post. Just want to make a couple of points. How do you know for certain Smit was way off the mark and I actually think it is you who are way off the mark. Smit proved someone about five feet eight tall could enter via the window. Any intruder would have been in the house and wrote the note before the attack as I say as a joke especially if they saw the pageant pictures of JonBenet. Hence JonBenet was a star so write a joke Ransom Note. Anyone can open a draw and pull out a note pad and write on it. JonBenet likely got the pineapple herself. The intruder was not worried about getting caught or seen because he was very confident and had done similar things many times before and self doubt would not have entered the maniacs mind. Any intruder horrible as it sounds would have got pleasure from strangling JonBenet with their death device while her hands gripped out at him. I have seen it written down their was not that much snow and a spider could have spun their web after the intruder left. You are confident there was no intruder I am confident there was and confident in who he was. Cheers.

 

[jaejae]

Smit was way off the mark. There was no intruder. And please don’t tell me it was Santa Bill the elderly man with a bad heart condition. No signs of forced entry anywhere in the house. No stun gun was used,
that crock of spit has been debunked ad infinitim. No way an intruder is getting through that little window in the basement and leaving the cob webs intact. The note was written using Patsy’s pad and sharpie pen with a practice note as well. The “intruder” not only coaxed JonBenet but would have fed her pineapple without worrying about getting caught or seen. The “intruder” deals a near fatal head blow to JonBenet and then waits at least 45 minutes before strangling her. He, she, or they leave without any footprints in the snow. I really could go on but it’s not necessary.

You have a right to your opinion and I have a right to mine. I actually have a great a lot of sympathy for those ordinary LE outside of the FBI investigating the JonBenet Ramsey case as it is not an easy one in my view. You see to have a lot of knowledge about the case do you have any connection to it. You do not have to say of course. Thanks for your thoughts and input:

Where key players are now

 

[jaejae]

Of course all FBI were doing their jobs as honest men and women what I mean is this is the kind of case they are there to solve. This is the kind of case if it were in the movies a FBI Agent would appear and crack it.

 

[Steve Eller]

Thanks for the post. Just want to make a couple of points. How do you know for certain Smit was way off the mark and I actually think it is you who are way off the mark. Smit proved someone about five feet eight tall could enter via the window. Any intruder would have been in the house and wrote the note before the attack as I say as a joke especially if they saw the pageant pictures of JonBenet. Hence JonBenet was a star so write a joke Ransom Note. Anyone can open a draw and pull out a note pad and write on it. JonBenet likely got the pineapple herself. The intruder was not worried about getting caught or seen because he was very confident and had done similar things many times before and self doubt would not have entered the maniacs mind. Any intruder horrible as it sounds would have got pleasure from strangling JonBenet with their death device while her hands gripped out at him. I have seen it written down their was not that much snow and a spider could have spun their web after the intruder left. You are confident there was no intruder I am confident there was and confident in who he was. Cheers.

Sorry but entomologists were actually consulted and no spider could have respun those cob webs in winter that quickly, the foliage under the window was also undisturbed. Those are the facts they’re not stick to the facts and you understand that Lou Smit was way off the mark.

 

[Steve Eller]

You have a right to your opinion and I have a right to mine. I actually have a great a lot of sympathy for those ordinary LE outside of the FBI investigating the JonBenet Ramsey case as it is not an easy one in my view. You see to have a lot of knowledge about the case do you have any connection to it. You do not have to say of course. Thanks for your thoughts and input:

Where key players are now

We are all entitled to our own opinions but we aren’t entitled to our own facts. I appreciate the discourse it’s just important to understand that the window wasn’t a point of entry and based on all the other facts of the case that there was no intruder.

 

[jaejae]

We are all entitled to our own opinions but we aren’t entitled to our own facts. I appreciate the discourse it’s just important to understand that the window wasn’t a point of entry and based on all the other facts of the case that there was no intruder.

Thanks for your interest in my thread and your theories. Sorry to perhaps sound a little funny perhaps but you are stating your theories based on the fact as fact alone. I and Lou Smit interpret the facts in a different way. I think there was an intruder as much as you do not think there was one and I believe based on my study and facts I know who it was. Cheers.

 

[Steve Eller]

Thanks for your interest in my thread and your theories. Sorry to perhaps sound a little funny perhaps but you are stating your theories based on the fact as fact alone. I and Lou Smit interpret the facts in a different way. I think there was an intruder as much as you do not think there was one and I believe based on my study and facts I know who it was. Cheers.

There is no interpretation for a window with undisturbed cobwebs and foliage. A Grand Jury panel of twelve men and women listened to Lou Smit’s PowerPoint presentation and physics defying contortionist point of entry and promptly dismissed it. There was no intruder.

 

[jaejae]

There is no interpretation for a window with undisturbed cobwebs and foliage. A Grand Jury panel of twelve men and women listened to Lou Smit’s PowerPoint presentation and physics defying contortionist point of entry and promptly dismissed it. There was no intruder.

Thanks for the post and input. I think the late Lou Smit was right and there was an intruder and I am pretty sure I know who it was. This is a joke really but I will allow you to come back on my thread and say there was not one again and I will leave it there although I will still believe there was one and I know who it was

 

[Steve Eller]

Thanks for the post and input. I think the late Lou Smit was right and there was an intruder and I am pretty sure I know who it was. This is a joke really but I will allow you to come back on my thread and say there was not one again and I will leave it there although I will still believe there was one and I know who it was

If you’re saying your “theory” was proffered in jest then that makes sense, otherwise it’s obvious you won’t let the truth get in the way of a good story. Some people are like that. And the beat goes on...

 

[jaejae]

Here is one of those You Tube tribute videos. There are many people who care about what happened to JonBenet:

 

[jaejae]

Not sure what year this video is from but it has been recently posted on You Tube:

Cyril Wecht - Wikipedia

Dr. Cyril Wecht Interview: Famous Forensic Pathologist on JFK, JonBenet Ramsey, and O.J. Simpson

 

[jaejae]

There is certainly a lot of True Crime about and there is a debate to be had and as I say this I make a post on a True Crime Board. To be fair to Websleuths it is structured well to be serious about crime cases and try and help solve them and there appears to be quite a few experts and LE on Websleuths:

True crime: it's time to start questioning the ethics of tuning in

Here is part of the above report:

True crime shows, such as the podcasts Serial and Up and Vanished or the Netflix long-form series Making a Murderer and The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann, are part of the same emotionally charged, participatory media culture that fuelled public interest in the Rooney Instagram sting operation. By asking us to help decide questions of criminal guilt and innocence or to solve mysteries, such shows position listeners and viewers as citizen-detectives and profess to involve us in the civic minded processes of social justice.

 

[jaejae]

Here is a recent You Tube video post about the case:

 

[Linda7NJ]

Thanks for the post and input. I think the late Lou Smit was right and there was an intruder and I am pretty sure I know who it was. This is a joke really but I will allow you to come back on my thread and say there was not one again and I will leave it there although I will still believe there was one and I know who it was

YAWN. You cracked the case ...eyeroll.

 

[jaejae]

Thanks for the post I have actually. Never assume you know everything I do not

 

[jaejae]

The True Crime phenomena is of course big business and people are fascinated by it:

 

[jaejae]

People have different views on here and in general about this case. I originally hearing the media coverage in 1996/97 thought the Ramsey's were guilty particularly with those terrible child beauty pageants (although I am not from Patsey's part of the world and I do not think she meant any harm by them and just wanted to be close to her daughter although they are not a good thing) but now it is my opinion the Ramsey's had and still have a rough time in some of the media. These crime cases affect the lives of other family members and cause much collateral damage and here is a report about this in another case:

Their Loved Ones Were Murdered By Men. Careless Journalists Compounded Their Grief.

 

[UKGuy]

People have different views on here and in general about this case. I originally hearing the media coverage in 1996/97 thought the Ramsey's were guilty particularly with those terrible child beauty pageants (although I am not from Patsey's part of the world and I do not think she meant any harm by them and just wanted to be close to her daughter although they are not a good thing) but now it is my opinion the Ramsey's had and still have a rough time in some of the media. These crime cases affect the lives of other family members and cause much collateral damage and here is a report about this in another case:

Their Loved Ones Were Murdered By Men. Careless Journalists Compounded Their Grief.

jaejae,
Having views is the modern take on the knowledge vs opinion debate, i.e. only the Gods have true knowledge, humans can only have opinions.

Some folks have evidence and it points directly to one of the Ramsey's as an alleged suspect. James Kolar points out in his book if more than one person was involved in the kidnap, sexual assault and murder of JonBenet, then you might expect to see multiple forensic profiles available. This is not the case suggesting it is not a stranger homicide.

As for the Ramsey's having a rough time at the hands of the press they have also benefited financially reaping large monetary awards after suing various media. Burke Ramsey will be a millionaire after suing CBS.

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[jaejae]

jaejae,
Having views is the modern take on the knowledge vs opinion debate, i.e. only the Gods have true knowledge, humans can only have opinions.

Some folks have evidence and it points directly to one of the Ramsey's as an alleged suspect. James Kolar points out in his book if more than one person was involved in the kidnap, sexual assault and murder of JonBenet, then you might expect to see multiple forensic profiles available. This is not the case suggesting it is not a stranger homicide.

As for the Ramsey's having a rough time at the hands of the press they have also benefited financially reaping large monetary awards after suing various media. Burke Ramsey will be a millionaire after suing CBS.

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Thanks for your post and input fellow countryman We have different theories. I think it was a stranger homicide and I have a good idea in my mind who committed it. I actually find James Kolar's theories way off the mark and far fetched although this is a difficult case to get a grip of. I might be wrong because I do not know all the details but I think your statements about the Ramsey's financially profiting from the death of their six year old daughter are simply not true and not based on the facts. They were wealthy before the crime. Lost their home after the crime and John Ramsey he lost most of his money and could not find work after the crime. One thing for certain Patsy Ramsey is no longer profiting from her daughters death. As for Burke profiting from the murder of his sister in my view he has suffered the most terrible collateral damage because of his sisters murder when he was just a child himself. In my view the accusations of James Kolar and other former LE like Jim Clemente and Laura Richards were wrong. You may be right as others may be but I think I am based on study and knowledge of the case which I am sure you and other have too. Like I say we have different opinions and theories on the case. Cheers.