The Letters and the Secret Evidence

[Macushla]

haha just like the gaurd broke the rules by clicking on the microphone to listen to jb and kc. No big deal right? The guards taking Kc to the tv to watch her daughter get discovered. No big deal right? Now this, the gaurd breaking the rules to entrap Kc. No big deal right? So, when does the judge put his foot down and stop this stuff? why have rules? what is the point? why does kc have to give her letters to jb to pass to her parents? Are any of the rules in the jail houses written into law?

Sorry, but I have seen nothing to indicate that the corrections officer was trying to entrap KC. From what I have read, KC and another inmate were writing to each other and the CO probably allowed them to pass the notes, or passed the notes for them. He/She was wrong, I agree. But nowhere does it state it was done to 'entrap' KC. So unless you have proof of that allegation, may I suggest you say 'allegedly' when you talk about it.

I also don't see any proof that any corrections officer listened in to JB and KC. If I recall correctly, even JB admitted he didn't actually KNOW that was done, and he said it in court. AL and JB said they heard clickings, that's all. Now, they were worried about being 'spied' on and wanted a room with no recording devices and I believe they were told to just ask for it. So again, please don't state that it happened unless you can provide a link to proof.

I will give you 'taking KC to watch TV, even I thought that was wrong.

 

[notthatsmart]

from docs released previously, her commissary account shows she purchased sketch pads on 10/22/09 & 12/17/09. 1 envelope & 1 manilla envelope on 12/17/09 and 4 pens on 11/20 & 12/31/09. Looks like she goes thru a lot of ink and paper but not many envelopes from Oct 09 thru Jan 2010. I don't think there is a link to the commissary acct @ jail as I have only seen copies from doc dumps. No stamps were purchased during this period of time.

Wait a second, you got me on this one. My mind is wandering here. What in the world does she need a sketch pad and a manilla envelope for? Why 4 pens? Is she drawing? drawing maps? is she sending someone a sketch pad and a pen to get them to write to her? what the what?

 

[LambChop]

ITA! What is up with the defense and Casey? Did the letters make things so bad that they had to call in big gun Mason to give her any sort of chance? Are things so bad that all they can do is laugh now? I'm sorry, but 250 pages handwritten by Casey is nothing to sneeze at or not take seriously. And as they saw in that last hearing, nothing is sure to go to their way anymore wth Judge Strickland. They can't assume that he's going to reseal those letters.

I mean, how can a lawyer jovially admit he was unethical, which is a career ending stupid thing to do? Is getting away from the taint of this case more important than getting into major trouble for ethical violations? How could that be? Or is Mason not just respresenting Casey but the defense as a whole? Or do they really think they can put all of their eggs in Mason's basket and everything will finally turn out the way the want it to? Do they feel so confident with Mason at the helm that they are just going to say whatever from now on? Or have they finally gone insane and it's now showing? They acted so much like their client in that last hearing. It just doesn't make any sense. The last person to take cues from on acting in a courtroom is Casey.

And what about Casey? Is she getting her La Bella Vita in jail and not caring about getting out where there is no one to depend on or scam anymore? Or is the defense keeping her so in the dark that she has no clue how bad things really are? Or does she know and maybe it's driving her to insanity? Whatever it is, I just want slap the giggles out of her. It's just disgusting how she is in court.

That last court hearing made no logical sense to me. WTF is going on? They are up to something and it's driving me nuts! I just hope it's not something that will make me smack my forehead later and go, "why didn't I see that coming?"

I would think if JB did something that was unethical and was forced to be removed from the case the fact that CM is now obviously taking over the case would keep KC from having to get a public defender. It also frees up AL if she chooses to leave.

Doubt if there was anything significant in her letters but you never know. If there is KC knows better as she was the one who told the agent for the FBI prior to her last arrest that LE was trying to get her to confess. So if KC "spilled the beans" in her letters she did so of her own accord. The jail has no motive to get KC to confess as that would only damage the state's case against her. I just think KC answers to no one, absolutely no one. Wait until the honeymoon stage is over with CM. I don't think he will put up with her nonsense. JMO

 

[flourish]

haha just like the gaurd broke the rules by clicking on the microphone to listen to jb and kc. No big deal right? The guards taking Kc to the tv to watch her daughter get discovered. No big deal right? Now this, the gaurd breaking the rules to entrap Kc. No big deal right? So, when does the judge put his foot down and stop this stuff? why have rules? what is the point? why does kc have to give her letters to jb to pass to her parents? Are any of the rules in the jail houses written into law?

bbm
While I recall Baez discussing the visits in court, I certainly do not remember any proof of misconduct like this coming out. Do you have a link which shows evidence and proof that a guard was clicking anything?

 

[flourish]

I totally agree with you. She did not look worried and neither did he. So either there was nothing said in these notes, or they know they can get them sealed. IMO

I guess I don't see those two as the only options. I think my list might include:
nothing was said in the notes (which you stated but which contradicts the reports which state they are relevant)
or
they know [think] they can get them sealed (which you mentioned...any precedent on this kind of thing to lead us to believe they may get sealed?)
or
they're planning to plead her out and don't think the letters will affect that
or
they are deluding themselves into thinking the letters are not going to affect anything
or
Casey has spun a story about the letters which they are believing

I suppose there could be more ideas as to their thought processes.

 

[Gnatcatcher]

I guess I don't see those two as the only options. I think my list might include:
nothing was said in the notes (which you stated but which contradicts the reports which state they are relevant)
or
they know [think] they can get them sealed (which you mentioned...any precedent on this kind of thing to lead us to believe they may get sealed?)
or
they're planning to plead her out and don't think the letters will affect that
or
they are deluding themselves into thinking the letters are not going to affect anything
or
Casey has spun a story about the letters which they are believing

I suppose there could be more ideas as to their thought processes.

or.. the girl is just flat out crazy. She had inappropriate reactions and such when Caylee was found, why should I trust her to have appropriate reactions when the letters are mentioned. That girl is just a flat out lunatic. And please don't give me the clinic definitions of the words crazy and lunatic, I know what they are. I'm using artistic license. The girl's nuts.

 

[cecybeans]

She certainly did not look as if she had received any scoldings from JB while she was in court. KC looked quite chipper. I believe the letters were released to JB that previous Tuesday so he had some time to go through them before court. KC did not look as if she was worried about it at all, in fact, she appeared giddy as if the whole thing were a big joke. JMO

Well I think their demeanor in court just shows what a clueless little bubble they have both been sitting in.

That hearing was the beginning of the end for JB. He can't account for how $275K was spent, except for $22K or so to AL/MS (and we don't even know if that was paid or simply owed). He has very little of substance to show for his efforts the past year and a half plus. If he and KC spent all that time in his office selling pictures of her poor dear dead child, then they have completely cheapened her even more because KC got nothing to show for it and basically gave it to her attorney - who has already been in hot water for mismanagement of money - to blow.

If I had been sitting in that courtroom as a defendant listening to how all the lawyers were pro bono except for one, and that he had taken charge of my trust with the result that basically a quarter million dollars was out the window with nothing but a few lousy depos to show for it, I'd have been steaming mad at getting ripped off, not giggling like a schoolgirl.

The fact that JB, (who as RH has repeatedly said, could lose his license to practice if it is found he used that money improperly or carelessly), could sit there with a goofy grin on his face and basically tell the court he couldn't even account for the money although he had been asked to submit specifics in the affadavit and act like he didn't even realize the JAC will rip him a new one over it, simply proves what a total idiot he is.

Which would be the best thing that could ever happen to KC, frankly. Mason will either plea her out as he has a reputation for doing, or conduct a fair trial so the citizens of FL don't continue to have to pay and pay for KC's obstruction of justice by having an appeal, or for her parents opportunism to reinvent themselves on the taxpayer's dime.

That stuff about GA and RC was leaked by JB imo, to impugn the credibility of GA's grand jury testimony and to misdirect the fact that JB himself could be facing his own little Waterloo shortly.

JB and KC may be clever, but they don't have the smarts apparently to be worried about what indigency status really means going forward. The Twizzler budget is gone.

 

[LinasK]

Good question, why do guards do any of the things they do that risk their jobs? Perhaps, money, although Casey claims indigence so probably not in this case. We know that Casey uses her sexuality and enjoys male attention, a lot. Perhaps flirty behavior, or more, who knows. Depends on whether her guards were male or female. If female, perhaps she struck up some sort of friendship with one. There are many possibilities. I can't wait to find out the who of it so we can figure out the why of it.

Female guard Silvia Hernandez is the one they are investing in this case...

 

[truckengirl]

haha just like the gaurd broke the rules by clicking on the microphone to listen to jb and kc. No big deal right? The guards taking Kc to the tv to watch her daughter get discovered. No big deal right? Now this, the gaurd breaking the rules to entrap Kc. No big deal right? So, when does the judge put his foot down and stop this stuff? why have rules? what is the point? why does kc have to give her letters to jb to pass to her parents? Are any of the rules in the jail houses written into law?

Oh yes the guard sit in KCs cell with her and forced her to write all these letters; forced her to spend her jail account money on buying the pens and paper to write the letters; made her right things that are not true that could hurt her in her case; all this so they could entrap poor innocent KC. Yeah right, I dont think so notthatsmart but nice try anyways!

By the way, JS did put his foot down in court when he made JB disclose that ABC had paid the blood money to KC.

 

[LambChop]

Wait a second, you got me on this one. My mind is wandering here. What in the world does she need a sketch pad and a manilla envelope for? Why 4 pens? Is she drawing? drawing maps? is she sending someone a sketch pad and a pen to get them to write to her? what the what?

These are commissary items that any inmate can purchase. Maybe she likes to draw and keeps her copies in the manilla envelope. She can also get books to read. The girl has to do something while she is in there 24/7 with no one to talk to. If she were writing letters I would think she would use a regular writing pad. And the 4 pens may be in a package as they are often sold that way in the stores. I would imagine she could go through them pretty fast. JMO

 

[notthatsmart]

These are commissary items that any inmate can purchase. Maybe she likes to draw and keeps her copies in the manilla envelope. She can also get books to read. The girl has to do something while she is in there 24/7 with no one to talk to. If she were writing letters I would think she would use a regular writing pad. And the 4 pens may be in a package as they are often sold that way in the stores. I would imagine she could go through them pretty fast. JMO

Well I can go with that since I have a friend that was in prison for 8 months and he said thats all he did was draw. So it must at least be something to do. I would like her to sketch Zanny Samantha Jefferey and Juliet though.

 

[MD MOMMY]

IMO, there is no way to get them thrown out just because the guard broke the rules by passing them. If the jail had "set up" the communication--i.e., asked the other inmate to attempt communication with KC--that would be another story, perhaps, but the federal inmate said that didn't happen.

Good, this has me worried.

 

[MD MOMMY]

haha just like the gaurd broke the rules by clicking on the microphone to listen to jb and kc. No big deal right? The guards taking Kc to the tv to watch her daughter get discovered. No big deal right? Now this, the gaurd breaking the rules to entrap Kc. No big deal right? So, when does the judge put his foot down and stop this stuff? why have rules? what is the point? why does kc have to give her letters to jb to pass to her parents? Are any of the rules in the jail houses written into law?

Well the microphone thing is an accusation not fact. Is the guard the one that came forward with the letters, did I miss that somewhere?

 

[OneLostGrl]

Wait a second, you got me on this one. My mind is wandering here. What in the world does she need a sketch pad and a manilla envelope for? Why 4 pens? Is she drawing? drawing maps? is she sending someone a sketch pad and a pen to get them to write to her? what the what?

Probably drawing or keeping a journal of some sort. Protective custody/segregation is pretty boring.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Also she does on the rare ocassion state the truth...
Like when she said Caylee is close to home-that was the truth-she was right around the corner...and when she said Maybe I am just a selfish *****-that was CERTAINLY the truth...and when she said Maybe mom is right about me being unfit-TRUTH! and when she said All anyone cares about is finding Caylee-well, duh Casey, that was the truth as well.

KC stated to her brother 'maybe I'm a selfish b'. Since she said that to her brother, who knows the family dynamics, one can interpret her remark as sarcasm too if it was not a confession. Lee would know if KC continually had those words thrown at her during the times, that I'm sure were many, that KC did not live up to CA's expectations. Sure CA outwardly supports KC but behind closed doors, KC was supposed to be CA. KC probably failed THAT TEST over and over again. IMO KC never developed her own identity, therefore she began making up her life as she would like it to be but noone helped guide her as to how to get there. They didn't pay attention to her when she began living a nonreality - they covered for her continually. She tells YM that she graduated from Valencia without batting an eyelash. That's such an easy lie to verify yet she stated it as fact - there is a detachment of sorts from reality within her. Also she slept around so readily, but she didn't 'connect' to her lovers' because she is disconnected from herself. She wants to feel and get validated from the outside but she cannot. My point is, is that something is wired wrong and it was never addressed imo. We witness the A's denial and their deceit. If they act this way about something this big, think how they must have brushed every little thing under the rug leaving KC to flounder. Something within me wants to understand KC's soul too.

I may be the only one on the planet, who doesn't know KC personally, who feels compassion for KC at times and ponders why she is the way she is (she is a bit 'off' - the vacant eyes and removed look she has). Her older friends all insist she was not bad to Caylee but I know KC clearly felt that her parents love Caylee more than they love her. In her defense, they never seemed to REALLY pay attention to her as it seems to always be about them.

The fact that she was writing letters isn't so strange because she lived as quite the social butterfly. People have said that KC had no friends yet, how many interviews have there been? They all claim to have been KC's friend, noone says they weren't her friend just that she turned out to be someone different than who they thought she was.

 

[NocturnalLady]

She certainly did not look as if she had received any scoldings from JB while she was in court. KC looked quite chipper. I believe the letters were released to JB that previous Tuesday so he had some time to go through them before court. KC did not look as if she was worried about it at all, in fact, she appeared giddy as if the whole thing were a big joke. JMO

From what I have seen Casey always has a "glow" and body language of excitement when she has just gotten busted big time. Remember how she looked on her first perp walk where she was handcuffed with hands behind her back and she was wearing that hoodie she bought from Target with the stolen money? She was smiling, her eyes were glittering and her body language just screamed "bring it on". She was ready to brazen it out. there's a part of her that gets off (so to speak) on having her bad actions known to all. It just gives her another chance to prove how special she is. The rules don't apply to her.

In court after the news came out about the letters I thought the same thing. She's excited. She loves it that she "got one over on everybody" by passing those letters against the rules and now the whole world knew it. She is giddy with excitement and laughing because she thinks that once again she did as she pleased no matter what.

The Anthony's in general are characterized by the charge they get out of being in a state of oppositional defiance. Narcissisim & oppositional defiant disorder often go hand in hand and the whole family has them both in spades.

As an aside - I was totally disgusted by the way her "team" acted when she came into court for that hearing. LKB positively beamed at Casey like Casey was the biggest celebrity in the world. When Casey entered the room all of them lit up like it was a privilege to be in her presence. I've noticed this behavior before but this time it was really bad. I think it's really unprofessional. They should be treating these hearings with respect and discipline - not acting like it's a red carpet photo op and they are all the support team for "the big star". Her lawyers are all enjoying the fame aspect of this way too much. It's just gross. Ok - rant over.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Yes, another good example/description of how KC seems detached or 'above' the situation - not quite connected to the reality of what is happening in the moment. She is in her own world somehow. Remember how Tracy described that KC is nice and fun but talking, talking, talking always as if out of her own imagination. She was/is removed from reality to a degree. Why? What is that condition?

 

[wenwe4]

Wait a second, you got me on this one. My mind is wandering here. What in the world does she need a sketch pad and a manilla envelope for? Why 4 pens? Is she drawing? drawing maps? is she sending someone a sketch pad and a pen to get them to write to her? what the what?

Honestly, I think that she is passing time writing, drawing, coloring, calligraphy, etc. It would appear that she hasn't needed more envelopes, but I only reviewed the Oct 09 thru Jan 10 account records. Guess you don't need envelopes and stamps to pass notes thru the guards, however.

 

[notthatsmart]

Hasn't it been 5 days? Shouldn't have Jb put in a motion for extension on the seal by now?

 

[Gma Kat]

1. The Orange County Sheriff’s Office was contacted by an inmate in the Florida
Department of Correction, who stated that she had communications with the
Defendant while in the Orange County Jail.
2. That inmate was interviewed on or about the 22nd day of January 2010 and
relayed potentially relevant statements by the Defendant, which are not in the
nature of a confession, and gave the name of another inmate who also had
communication with the Defendant.
3. The second inmate, presently incarcerated in Federal Prison, was interviewed
on or about the 27th day of January 2010 and reluctantly confirmed
communication with the Defendant adding that she had received approximately
fifty written communications from the Defendant which were then in the
possession of another individual whose identity was provided to the Orange
County Sheriffs Office.
4. The Orange County Sheriffs Office contacted the named individual, confirmed
the existence of these documents and took possession of the originals.
5. The undersigned and co-counsels have examined the documents and they do
appear to contain relevant statements of the Defendant, which are not in the
nature of a confession.

Sorry if this has already been stated (I try to read the entire thread before posting, but sometimes miss stuff....) It appears that KC was writing another inmate(inmate #2) who appears to have given their......cellmate(inmate #1)?? or another inmate (inmate #1) within the same jail - the letters "for safe keeping" and it is the inmate who was given the letters for safekeeping that contacted LE? Do I have this right? If I do then I wonder if she (inmate #1) read the letters and realized that LE NEEDED to see them, not just because it was wrong, but because there was valuable information contained within them???.....