The OTHER Children...........

[Tadpole12]

Ramsey Christmas photo, incl. Jar:

http://i.cdn.turner.com/trutv/trutv.com/graphics/photogallery/ramsey/family-gallery-081806.jpg

 

[DeeDee249]

That photo was one that I believe was sent in the Ramsey Christmas card. It was not taken ON Christmas day, but before, and far enough before to allow it to be printed (these are the days when it tool longer than today) and mailed out in the card. If you notice, Melinda is also in that photo, and we know she was NOT in Boulder Christmas Day.

 

[Tadpole12]

That photo was one that I believe was sent in the Ramsey Christmas card. It was not taken ON Christmas day, but before, and far enough before to allow it to be printed (these are the days when it tool longer than today) and mailed out in the card. If you notice, Melinda is also in that photo, and we know she was NOT in Boulder Christmas Day.

Hi DeeDee.

ty for the info ....

so any idea when it would have been taken, ie JAR's last visit?

 

[DeeDee249]

Hi DeeDee.

ty for the info ....

so any idea when it would have been taken, ie JAR's last visit?

Well, judging from JBR's hair and general appearance, I'd say possibly Thanksgiving? Not sure what the family's plans were that year (1996) for that day, but JBR's hair is exactly like it looked (length and style) in the Christmas morning photo (where she is in the pink pajama top). There is a photo of her in a party dress - maybe taken at the Ramsey party on Dec 23 where she is wearing a dark dress with white lace trim and her hair looks the same.

 

[Sophie]

I'm not hugely familiar with the material on JAR but that statement he made about forgiving whoever murdered JBR is one of the oddest things I've seen in this case. `I mean, it's hours since your lovely little sister has been murdered and you're going around forgiving the perp...Odd in the extreme.

 

[Tadpole12]

Well, judging from JBR's hair and general appearance, I'd say possibly Thanksgiving? Not sure what the family's plans were that year (1996) for that day, but JBR's hair is exactly like it looked (length and style) in the Christmas morning photo (where she is in the pink pajama top). There is a photo of her in a party dress - maybe taken at the Ramsey party on Dec 23 where she is wearing a dark dress with white lace trim and her hair looks the same.

Hi Dee Dee.

Ty for your insights. Ya the room didn't seem festive.
That's prolly the best assumption, that families might pose for their christmas photos Thanksgiving? or for sure before the first week of December.

I'm assuming an 'organized' parent would do such.

and I do believe that with respect hair color products, reapplication is needed after 4 to 6 weeks for upkeep*.

errrr ... not that I would know .... *wink

C1

 

[DeeDee249]

Hi Dee Dee.

Ty for your insights. Ya the room didn't seem festive.
That's prolly the best assumption, that families might pose for their christmas photos Thanksgiving? or for sure before the first week of December.

I'm assuming an 'organized' parent would do such.

and I do believe that with respect hair color products, reapplication is needed after 4 to 6 weeks for upkeep*.

errrr ... not that I would know .... *wink

C1

JBR's hair was highlighted, not dyed. In long hair like hers, a highlighting can last 3=4 months because there are no "roots" the way there are in dyed hair. When I was referring to JBR's hair I was talking about the length of her hair and the way she was wearing it, though I suppose it is also apparent that the color is pretty much the same as well.

 

[Ames]

JBR's hair was highlighted, not dyed. In long hair like hers, a highlighting can last 3=4 months because there are no "roots" the way there are in dyed hair. When I was referring to JBR's hair I was talking about the length of her hair and the way she was wearing it, though I suppose it is also apparent that the color is pretty much the same as well.

Where did you read that it was highlighted? JB's hair was naturally brown, and highlights would not have made it blonde ALL over. Patsy's ex-friend Judith Phillips (who posts over at FFJ as Cookie, and we talked her into joining WBS awhile back...she posted here for awhile, but I haven't seen her lately)...said that JB's hair was bleached. Judith (as I am sure that you know) was a photographer that took many pictures of JB. Some of the more famous pictures that you see of JB, were taken by her.

http://www.fanpix.net/gallery/john-jonben%C3%A9t-pictures.htm

Check out the picture of her (1st picture on top), with darker hair...I believe she as about three or four. Compare to the other pictures of her with her bleached hair.

 

[Tadpole12]

JBR's hair was highlighted, not dyed. In long hair like hers, a highlighting can last 3=4 months because there are no "roots" the way there are in dyed hair. When I was referring to JBR's hair I was talking about the length of her hair and the way she was wearing it, though I suppose it is also apparent that the color is pretty much the same as well.

Hi Dee Dee.

oh! The length. *smile,
Gee, I'll go back and look at the length.
I just can't get past the 'unnatural' overbleached color of JBR's hair.
not 'golden locks' of youth, maybe it's not reflected right in the photos,
Looks like a streak kit gone wrong?

 

[VespaElf]

Hi VespaElf.

"Id like to know 100% JAR was NOT in Boulder during the timeframe of JBR's murder." - VE

VespsaElf? I thought it had been confirmed by PBD. Are you suggesting otherwise; that the evidence confirming JAR's location was fabricated?

Read DeeDee's post-VERY through re:JAR.
As far as I know the only 'evidence'is (maybe)GJ testimony from JAR's mother ,a movie ticket stub & a grainy ATM machine cam capture.

There were some VERY interesting theories over the years involving JAR and one poster had a very possible timeline made that showed it wasnt impossible for JAR to have been there.

 

[Ravyn]

Does anyone have a link to this ATM photo.

 

[DeeDee249]

Where did you read that it was highlighted? JB's hair was naturally brown, and highlights would not have made it blonde ALL over. Patsy's ex-friend Judith Phillips (who posts over at FFJ as Cookie, and we talked her into joining WBS awhile back...she posted here for awhile, but I haven't seen her lately)...said that JB's hair was bleached. Judith (as I am sure that you know) was a photographer that took many pictures of JB. Some of the more famous pictures that you see of JB, were taken by her.

http://www.fanpix.net/gallery/john-jonben%C3%A9t-pictures.htm

Check out the picture of her (1st picture on top), with darker hair...I believe she as about three or four. Compare to the other pictures of her with her bleached hair.

In her autopsy photos it looks highlighted, not bleached (to me). The photos from that morning and recent photos of around that time look more like highlights than some of the photos where she is about 3-4. Yes, you are right, in some that you posted it does look bleached.

 

[icedtea4me]

I don't recall seeing definitively that JAR was PROVED to be elsewhere at the time of the murder. There may be sworn Grand Jury testimony that places him with his mother, but I don't recall that his mother had photos to prove it. Wouldn't it be odd if she ALSO would have forgotten to have fresh batteries for the camera? Then there is the fact that JR got a lawyer right away for his ex-wife. Why? SHE was not in Boulder. Why would she need a lawyer? I believe it was because the Rs didn't want her questioned without one. She is the only one who knows whether JAR was with her. And I don't see her as having been that vocal about it.
Remember that the Rs travelled on private planes, not commercial airlines. There are no paper trails with tickets, boarding passes, etc. I'd need to see proof of exactly how he got to Boulder with his sister on the 26th, where he left from, how they got to the R house, etc. I'd want to see proof of the phone call to him that would have had to be made by his father telling him what happened and advising them they were not going to Charlevoix. Not that I expect a recording of the calls- I know that is impossible. But somehow JAR must have been called to tell him what happened- that he and his sister and her fiance needed to come to the house and not go on to Charlevoix. I'd want to see phone records of that call. I'd want to see all calls placed and received by JAR both from his cell phone and home phone for the days before and after the death of JBR.

John Andrew, Melinda, and Stewart flew from Atlanta to Minneapolis on Delta Air Lines and their flight was to arrive at 11 a.m. CT. Then they were to have boarded the private plane with the others and gone on to Charlevoix from there. John called Mike Archuleta and told him to get a message to them for them to call him as soon as they arrived in Minneapolis. They arrived at the Ramsey house via taxi. (Paraphrased from DOI pp. 6-7, 15, 24)

 

[Ravyn]

Does anyone knows if their Delta flight had any lay overs.

 

[icedtea4me]

Does anyone knows if their Delta flight had any lay overs.

While there are some Delta flights from Atlanta to Minneapolis which include a layover, I'd say it's a safe bet that they flew non-stop.

I got to thinking. You know how in Thomas' book he states that John Andrew told him that John told him that he found JonBenet at 11? I don't think John said the sentence "I found her/JonBenet at 11". Instead I think he said to John Andrew "I found her" and John Andrew, being in Minneapolis at the time, noted the local time of 11 CT.

 

[Ravyn]

That very well could been that cause of the different time zones. Personally I never flown on a plane, but people I known that has hate the layovers at times.

 

[Ravyn]

I have never read none of the books and you that have, thanks for helping me understand both sides of this case.

 

[JMO8778]

IMO JR thought they would never get away with it,and so he was attempting to cover his tracks by saying he'd 'found' her at 11 am..to his son and to another witness...Melinda's fiance.From the sound of it in Thomas's book,he asked her fiance twice(to clarify) what time JR said he had found her.Both times he said 11 am,and her fiance said he thought JR was referring to his own time.
IMO JR,as he appears to have done with many things,was simply thinking ahead in order to save himself.
And for that matter,if it weren't for the other evidence(like the missing cell phone records and such),his plan worked, to some degree...Stewart leaked the info to LE,and JR was able to place himself into the crime,only after the fact.(although I think most RDI's realize he had to have known before that).

as far as JAR's comment,IMO at some point he realized daddy-o had something to do with it,perhaps in part because of this incident.

 

[icedtea4me]

IMO JR thought they would never get away with it,and so he was attempting to cover his tracks by saying he'd 'found' her at 11 am..to his son and to another witness...Melinda's fiance.From the sound of it in Thomas's book,he asked her fiance twice(to clarify) what time JR said he had found her.Both times he said 11 am,and her fiance said he thought JR was referring to his own time.
IMO JR,as he appears to have done with many things,was simply thinking ahead in order to save himself.
And for that matter,if it weren't for the other evidence(like the missing cell phone records and such),his plan worked, to some degree...Stewart leaked the info to LE,and JR was able to place himself into the crime,only after the fact.(although I think most RDI's realize he had to have known before that).

as far as JAR's comment,IMO at some point he realized daddy-o had something to do with it,perhaps in part because of this incident.

On what page is this in Thomas' book? (I wish it had an index like the pb version of PMPT.)