The Package and the Defense Motion

[February]

They didn't say the package was never opened. But they say they are not examining its contents until in camera review.

isnt that it only pass by the XRAY?

 

[shadowraiths]

Hi Shadow

do you personally believe that the package are not opened and read if that is a notebook?

There is no doubt in my mind that they opened the package and that an attending officer not only saw the notebook but caught a glimpse of its contents, then leaked that bit to the media. Could I be wrong? Sure. However, this would not be the first time someone close to the investigation of a high profile crime leaked stuff to the media.

 

[February]

There is no doubt in my mind that they opened the package and that an attending officer not only saw the notebook but caught a glimpse of its contents, then leaked that bit to the media. Could I be wrong? Sure. However, this would not be the first time someone close to the investigation of a high profile crime leaked stuff to the media.

Thanks for replying to me, at least i am not alone of thinking that

 

[DeadCat]

What if the contents described other "terror cells" or another accomplice? Surely anything from JH should be inspected carefully and right away, for the public's protection. This doesn't make sense.

 

[February]

What if the contents described other "terror cells" or another accomplice? Surely anything from JH should be inspected carefully and right away, for the public's protection. This doesn't make sense.

when somebody mass murdered americans in america , somebody has to report to higher people about it and they will be given full security clearance to check on it regardless of what local police will say.

 

[Roxye]

What if the contents described other "terror cells" or another accomplice? Surely anything from JH should be inspected carefully and right away, for the public's protection. This doesn't make sense.

IMO JH was NOT part of a 'terror cell'. He acted alone. There is no reason, at this point, to believe he didn't act alone. While he might not of been the loner some have described, he surely isn't a follower. Nothing about this man's psyche describes someone who would "follow" someone else into a plan to "terrorize" anyone... Except his specific plan he concocted by HIMSELF!

JMO

 

[DeadCat]

IMO JH was NOT part of a 'terror cell'. He acted alone. There is no reason, at this point, to believe he didn't act alone. While he might not of been the loner some have described, he surely isn't a follower. Nothing about this man's psyche describes someone who would "follow" someone else into a plan to "terrorize" anyone... Except his specific plan he concocted by HIMSELF!

JMO

Roxye, I agree with you. He probably wasn't part of a cell and probably acted alone (I think time will tell), but we only "know" this (or rather police only "know") because of looking at all the evidence. I was just saying "what if" to explain why I think some level of LE (local police or FBI) would need to examine that package. Finding a package from JH and not examining it because it's waiting for the judge to see it? (is that what "in camera review" means??) Maybe they should have waited to go in the apt until the jurors could go too...? (Ok, now I'm just getting snarky)

 

[songline]

Moo but the University has about zero choice of whether they want to be honest.. The fact is this is not a detail or details that they can lie about, twist the truth, or deceive and just sweep under the rug and keep out of the publics knowledge.. They do not have that choice wrt anything remotely related to this case.. Obviously that includes any/all details regarding the packages and notebook the shooter sent to the University..

Moo is its just another nail in the coffin of this shooter who is sorely mistaken if he's under the guise of somehow getting away with this(ie. his attempts at an insanity defense).. Because his little special delivery only further cements the amount of premeditation and planning that went into his murdering/injuring 70+ innocent human beings!!

Bye-bye Jimmy! And not bye-bye birdie to the loony bin!.. But much different bye-bye Jimmy to the Big House with the Big Boys that will eagerly be awaiting your p**** and welcome you with OPEN ARMS!!

About the Pkg. if it was signed for your Do have proof of delivery. But we do not know that it was so…
IF the STAMP on the package is correct July 12 ? gives the post office a few days to deliver. IF the shooting happened on the 20th ? that is 8 days.
I would bet it was in the school a few days... but maybe the person addressed to was away.
I don’t think we really know that yet.

You are just real mad at him, and I can’t say that I blame you one tinny bit.
But it may be hard to proove when the package was recieved. unless there is a good paper trail. AND so what if you get a date, I do not think they can have any responsibility.
I do think that MI people cover that up real well...(unntill they spirall) They dont need to act.

 

[songline]

Moo but the University has about zero choice of whether they want to be honest.. The fact is this is not a detail or details that they can lie about, twist the truth, or deceive and just sweep under the rug and keep out of the publics knowledge.. They do not have that choice wrt anything remotely related to this case.. Obviously that includes any/all details regarding the packages and notebook the shooter sent to the University..

Moo is its just another nail in the coffin of this shooter who is sorely mistaken if he's under the guise of somehow getting away with this(ie. his attempts at an insanity defense).. Because his little special delivery only further cements the amount of premeditation and planning that went into his murdering/injuring 70+ innocent human beings!!

Bye-bye Jimmy! And not bye-bye birdie to the loony bin!.. But much different bye-bye Jimmy to the Big House with the Big Boys that will eagerly be awaiting your p**** and welcome you with OPEN ARMS!!

About the Pkg. if it was signed for your Do have proof of delivery. But we do not know that it was so…
IF the STAMP on the package is correct July 12 ? gives the post office a few days to deliver. IF the shooting happened on the 20th ? that is 8 days.
I would bet it was in the school a few days... but maybe the person addressed to was away.
I don’t think we really know that yet.

You are just real mad at him, and I can’t say that I blame you one tinny bit.
But it may be hard to proove when the package was recieved. unless there is a good paper trail. AND so what if you get a date, I do not think they can have any responsibility.
I do think that MI people cover that up real well...(unntill they spirall) They dont need to act MI, they fight to act normal for a while. till.......

 

[shadowraiths]

Info on their MH program ( link, p17 )

Mental Health
A student’s health and well being is a primary concern for all student affairs offices, as well as other offices which regularly interact with students.

If a student has been seeing a professional for counseling, or psychiatric care, it is important to find another provider right away so the student can continue to receive care. This can be done several ways:

• Students can ask their current provider for names of local providers – the student should then follow up and find out if the provider accepts the students’ selected medical insurance coverage.

• Students may make an appointment with Lynne Fenton, MD, who is employed at the Anschutz Medical Campus in the Student Mental Health and Wellness Center – she can assist in finding providers for students regardless of their selected insurance coverage (AMC Student Health Insurance or other coverage) () -XXXX

• Students may visit the Student Health Insurance office (XXXX of Ed II North) for assistance in finding providers who accept the AMC Student Health Insurance plan.​

Students who have selected other carriers will be assisted by referencing their carrier websites which often have ‘find a physician’ search engines​

 

[jjenny]

July 12 allegation came from fox news anonymous source. University denied it. Prosecution says that media sources aren't accurate and perhaps even made up. I am not sure why anyone should believe the anonymous source. As for signature, if it was send usps, there is not going to be a signature requirement.

 

[shadowraiths]

CU School of Medicine
Anschutz Medical Campus
2011 Facts and Figures ( link, p39 )

The AMC Student Mental Health Service, under the direction of Lynne Fenton, MD, Medical Director, is staffed by University of Colorado clinicians (Brian Rothberg, MD and Janice Shire, RN, CNS), a Licensed Clinical Social Worker (Margaret Roath, MSW), and psychiatry residents. The service provides comprehensive, confidential mental health services for AMC students. Most students receive combined treatment of psychotherapy and medications from a single provider. In 2010, the service completed 169 new evaluations and provided ongoing care to over 200 students. Fenton supervises senior psychiatric residents working with students. She is also a member of the UCD/AMC campus-wide Behavioral Environmental Threat Assessment (BETA) team, which manages and coordinates evaluation and response to students of concern.​

 

[shadowraiths]

What is BETA? ( link )

The Behavioral Assessment and Threat Assessment Team (BETA) is a new resource at the University of Colorado Denver that can provide resources and information to faculty, staff or student community members who are confronted with individuals who may be threatening, disruptive, or otherwise problematic. The Team provides guidance and consultation and may make referrals to appropriate campus or community resources. BETA is one component of the newly formed University Emergency Management Operations Group (EMOG).

The Team consists of representatives from the Counseling Center, Faculty Development Center, Office of Student Life, Legal Counsel, Human Resources, Student Conduct Office, Risk Management, Student Life, Student Services, Ombuds, Disability Services, Campus Police and Student Housing.

The BETA is not an administrative, treatment, or disciplinary body. The Team’s purpose is to provide support, information and referrals to those dealing with threatening or disruptive situations.

The BETA acts as a resource and contact for campus faculty, staff and administrators who are dealing with a disruptive or threatening individual. Members listen to their concerns and offer information and resources to help in addressing the problem.​

 

[shadowraiths]

Fenton's profle ( link )

Someone needs to run spell check...

 

[February]

Student Privacy/FERPA/HIPAA at University of Colorado and their definition of Education Records and etc...


http://www.ucdenver.edu/student-ser...r/students/policies/Pages/StudentPrivacy.aspx

 

[jjenny]

Here is an excellent article on what would be expected of a graduate student such as JH. Since so many people have questions about it. The fact that he was accepted into one of the best programs in the country really suggests to me that he was on top of his game when they accepted him.

"The transition from the student to the researcher is the whole goal," said Diego Restrepo, co-director of the neuroscience center. "The student has to demonstrate the independence, the curiosity, the creativity to ask questions that can be translated into an experiment that will produce data that will give you an answer to your question."

http://www.dailycamera.com/state-we...oting-suspects-studies-were-rarefied-rigorous

 

[February]

I have a general question
if a person is mentally sick and committed a crime , will that person undergo any psychological or mental evaluation right away while in prison?

another question,
so if JH got a prescription of Vicodin, then he is allowed to take it still when they took him?

Inmate Medications at Arapahoe County Jail:
http://prisonhandbook.com/1103/arapahoe-county-jail/
If you are on any type of prescription medication, you will be allowed to continue taking it while in jail. When you are first processed, you will be asked what medication you take. You will then be referred to the jail nurse or doctor who will be in charge of monitoring your health and prescribing your medication.

 

[Liz]

I personally think it is a slippery slope. The 'what ifs' and 'might of beens' cloud the issue.

Clear cut for most psychologist/psychiatrists is.. if someone threatens others lives or their own live, then they need to report it. Right?

So IF this DR saw him before hand and saw NO sign of violence on anyone, they would have no need to report. Correct?

Then this package comes in, after the fact, before the DR saw it. So there is no liability for the DR.

After the fact, since there is no liability for the DR, why would it still be privileged?

He threatened death to other people.

Maybe I am just reaching.... Ugh!!!!!

I can feel your frustration. When we don't have known facts to go on, I think sometimes we 'reach'. It's probably normal to do so. At least I hope it is. :waitasec:

 

[Liz]

Well let's see here.. This fools availability to the campus had been gone since what?? June.. Was it not June that his on campus status was revoked??.. So obviously she, IF she even "treated" this individual, she hadn't met with him since June..

~respectfully snipped ~

Do we know for a fact that his campus status was revoked? Not sure I know what you mean.

If Dr Fenton was treating JH, I cannot imagine any psychiatrist dropping a patient cold turkey, so to speak. At least not before the patient had a chance to obtain another treating doctor. Of course, we don't know if JH would've even wanted any further treatment, since he was kinda busy making his evil preparations.

I've been thinking about the possibility that JH's access to the Research Center would've most likely been revoked - as in he might've been (and should've been) required to turn in his key card that he used to access the building?

I'd been wondering if that might've been the ulterior motive of that neuroscience administrator going with (or joining up with, depending on which report you read) JH's classmates for drinks after tests were done. So as to non-challantly mention that JH had sent an email of resignation - so the group would all be aware that JH should not be entering the building, in the event he should attempt gaining admission when one of them were entering. (Which further led me to wonder if the admin might've had a feeling that JH may have some malicious intent of doing so.)

The above is hypothetical only. Haven't read or heard this to be the case whatsoever. Just my thinking out loud and all that.

 

[Liz]

~respectfully snipped~

As for signature, if it was send usps, there is not going to be a signature requirement.

How do you know this?

I believe there are several options available for requiring a signature upon delivery by USPS.