The Package and the Defense Motion

[songline]

But we don't know what that mark is.

REPORTED as the 12th, it will all shake out soon enough
We cant prove it IS, or that it is NOT the 12th yet.

 

[jjenny]

REPORTED as the 12th, it will all shake out soon enough
We cant prove it IS, or that it is NOT the 12th yet.

According to the University, 12th is not correct.

 

[songline]

According to the University, 12th is not correct.

BUT we do not know....
Maybe the post mark is the 12th but then the question is WHEN did it arrive?

I would want to know that.

 

[songline]

Also if he purchased the metered stamp it tells everything, where the stamp was bought, what time, and day. It will even tell who sold it to him


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This will shake out pretty soon. at least we can know what the post mark on the Package is. We can then surmise when approximately did it arrive. IF there is an 11 day lag between the post mark and when the school says they got the package - Then I would have to say they are protecting themselves. Because it does not take 11 days to send any small package in the same town no way, even furniture can be delived sooner than that-- lol
But I guess we will know soon.

 

[DeadCat]

So then the next question would be was the package not opened because the recipient was on vacation, day off or just lazy.
the last one (just lazy) can present a problem.

Well, it is summer. Many departments on campuses run on a traditional, academic calendar where summers are "off" for much of the faculty. (I say "off" because many times professors don't teach during summer or hold office hours, but they many still use the time to work from home to prep classes, write, and do research.) Staff duties/hours also may change during summer months. I don't think it would be unusual for mail to sit days or even weeks unopened in a mailroom during summer.

 

[jjenny]

July 12 was from fox news anonymous source. Who knows who that source is. Prosecution denied the source was accurate, although specifically did not say anything about the date. University denied the source was accurate. I don't know that July 12 has anything to do with reality.
However, due to gag order, we are not likely to find out anything soon.

 

[21merc7]

I'm thinking anon source said something like "last Monday" and Fox News calculated a date.

 

[21merc7]

IIRC, there were 2 packages received at the school. One was reported as not from JH but they investigated it anyway. Were both packages received on the same day?

Yes, one was hand-delivered and slipped under a door, or so we were told.

ETA: add link

The first suspicious package reported Monday was in Building 500, the former Fitzsimons Army Hospital, and the building was locked down at 6:45 a.m. It was slipped under a door while the building was mostly empty.

The second package was reported in the Facilities Services Building. The building was evacuated at 12:26 p.m. and cleared for the return of employees at 3:06 p.m.

http://www.kktv.com/news/headlines/...ormer-School-Were-Not-A-Threat-163482596.html

 

[KateB]

At this link, some more information on the doctor. It also shows her picture.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/2...sychiatrist-accused-colorado-massacre-gunman/

DENVER – As attorneys for the suspect in a Colorado movie theater rampage fight to find the source of media leaks about his case, more details are emerging about the psychiatrist who documents show treated him for years.

bbm
He'd only been there a little over a year?

 

[jjenny]

DENVER – As attorneys for the suspect in a Colorado movie theater rampage fight to find the source of media leaks about his case, more details are emerging about the psychiatrist who documents show treated him for years.

bbm
He'd only been there a little over a year?

He wouldn't have even been in the same state until graduate school, so I very much doubt this woman treated him for years.

 

[HastingsChi]

Exactly... so it may be hard to prove when the mail actualy did get there before or after the shooting.

The reason the university will not want it known if the package was delivered July 12 is that it would make them potentially liable and open the door to many wrongful death lawsuits. If it did arrive July 12 it will be revealed at trial. In my opinion the university is smart at this point to publicly deny the reported arrival date because it would be the focus of coverage for weeks and take emphasis off the victims and the individual truly responsible for the massacre.


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[February]

Yes, one was hand-delivered and slipped under a door, or so we were told.

ETA: add link





http://www.kktv.com/news/headlines/...ormer-School-Were-Not-A-Threat-163482596.html

Wonder when it was slipped when his access was terminated to go to the University as of MID june?
Is he still allowed to visit the university specially that anshultz facilities after access terminations upon his incomplete withdrawal? If Fenton is his doctor and he is also a patient not just a student, will he still have the right to visit Fenton as a patient in that facility?

 

[February]

The reason the university will not want it known if the package was delivered July 12 is that it would make them potentially liable and open the door to many wrongful death lawsuits. If it did arrive July 12 it will be revealed at trial. In my opinion the university is smart at this point to publicly deny the reported arrival date because it would be the focus of coverage for weeks and take emphasis off the victims and the individual truly responsible for the massacre.


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If we google how many lawsuits many schools got from lying then it is ALSO possible, i think, that this University could be lying to protect themselves. I hope the notebook will not gone missing later IMO.

 

[HastingsChi]

Wonder when it was slipped when his access was terminated to go to the University as of MID june?
Is he still allowed to visit the university specially that anshultz facilities after access terminations upon his incomplete withdrawal? If Fenton is his doctor and he is also a patient not just a student, will he still have the right to visit Fenton as a patient in that facility?

My understanding is that he lost access to the specific facilities related to certain aspects of his program that only those in the program are able to access; since he was no longer in the program.

He could come and go to anywhere public on campus and classroom buildings not requiring a security fob/card for entry.

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[HastingsChi]

If we google how many lawsuits many schools got from lying then it is ALSO possible, i think, that this University could be lying to protect themselves. I hope the notebook will not gone missing later IMO.

True but from a public relations and media relations standpoint it's better to have a July 12 delivery come out later when emotions aren't so high and it won't overwhelmingly impact the current fluid media. coverage

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[February]

True but from a public relations and media relations standpoint it's better to have a July 12 delivery come out later when emotions aren't so high and it won't overwhelmingly impact the current fluid media. coverage

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Yes i agree but denial is a diffferent story, more liabilities involved, they shouldnt comment at all if they will just deny and lie

 

[February]

My understanding is that he lost access to the specific facilities related to certain aspects of his program that only those in the program are able to access; since he was no longer in the program.

He could come and go to anywhere public on campus and classroom buildings not requiring a security fob/card for entry.

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Thanks Hastingschi

Hoping we can get direct answer if he is even allowed to go to Fenton's facility/office after his incomplete withdrawal at school

 

[jjenny]

If we google how many lawsuits many schools got from lying then it is ALSO possible, i think, that this University could be lying to protect themselves. I hope the notebook will not gone missing later IMO.

That notebook is with the police, not the university.

 

[February]

That notebook is with the police, not the university.

I didnt say the notebook is with police or with the University or the judge or fbi..
At this point, we dont know where it is lol
I just hope it will not go missing

 

[jjenny]

I didnt say the notebook is with police or with the University or the judge or fbi..
At this point, we dont know where it is lol
I just hope it will not go missing

According to the prosecution, it's with Aurora Police Department.