The ransom note & Patsy Ramsey, letter by letter.

[BBB167893]

Hotyh, I choose to believe an expert in the field, who stated to someone on this forum, where she obtained the documents, vs someone who is making accusations that can't be substantiated. Again, thank you for the post you gave us from your interview with Ms Wong, Dave. It was most helpful and informative.

It was a risk, Sunnie, but what else could I do?

 

[BBB167893]

If you've used this same vacuum argument on a dozen IDI points, then its no longer a vacuum, but rather an IDI totality of evidence.

That's my boy!

Nice try, HOTYH, but not good enough. It's one thing to put the pieces together synergistically. It's another thing altogether to cherry pick random chunks of hamburger meat and try to build a cow out if it.

 

[wonderllama]

The ransom note really is the key to this case.

Exactly.
There may not necessarily be a 'smoking gun' in this case, but the ransom note is the smokiest, guniest looking thing in the case and in my opinion is THE key to proving what the majority of us already believe.

Oh yeah...welcome

 

[Ames]

Some strange things about the RN (Besides the length, writing style, etc.)

The ransom note really is the key to this case. To leave a ransom note, with a dead body still inside the house, is both dumb and ridiculous. Especially, with virtually no attempt to hide the body itself. The first thing a 'normal' person would do upon discovering their child missing would be a thorough search of the house. The body would be found within a short period of time rendering the note useless.

For this 'plan' to have any sort of success the kidnapper/killer would have to know, with a high degree of certainty, that the body wouldn't be discovered until they were paid. That is only way the ransom is successful. With the body still in the house, the expectation of this is extremely low. Thus, the ransom was never meant to be successful.

Therefore, as many others before me have surmised, the RN is a fake.

If the ransom note is fake, and there never was any real desire to collect money, why write it in the first place? RN's take time & effort to compose and in this particular instance are extremely risky as the RN was written inside the house. The kidnapper/killer therefore was either a brazen fool, or had complete confidence they would not be caught. An acquaintance with the R's x-mas itinerary could perhaps be somewhat sure they wouldn't get caught writing it, however only a family member who BELONGED in the house could be 100% certain.

Again, with little-to-no expectation of financial gain, why risk writing it at all? This is the big mystery and the key to the whole case as I see it. The best answer so far is, of course:

Staging & Misdirection.

As many have suggested, the RN was designed to make the situation look like something it wasn't. If you dissect things from there, you're left with very little wiggle room.

For example, eliminate the ransom note from the equation. All you have is a dead body in the basement and no clear entry, exit, etc. The DNA in the case is weak and could have come from x number of sources. Basically, there are only 3 other people in the house with the opportunity to commit the crime. They immediately become suspects.

The 'solution' to this mystery then becomes evident. What does the RN do? It provides another 'real' suspect. If someone has JBR, then THEY'RE the suspect. However, if JBR is dead in the basement from the moment of the 911 call, guess who the suspects are? Therefore the only plausible reason a fake RN exists is to secure these two things:

1) It makes it so JBR is still 'alive' at the moment of the 911 call.
2) It provides a suspect(s) that are not the 3 family members.

This also explains why there wasn't a thorough search of the house until much later. Other people around at the time of the 'discovery' provide an alibi, of sorts. Eg. lots of people around when the body is discovered, therefore it couldn't have been the family!

Another strange thing about the ransom note is the R's belief/non-belief in it. Not searching thoroughly (I'm talking about a complete, every room, switch the lights on, open every closet, full on basement to attic check) for JBR after finding the RN means that the R's must have 'believed' the note was sincere fairly quickly.

Eg. The note says they have her, the R's can't find her, they (kidnappers) MUST have her. This process seems to have happened rather quickly. There's one thing strange with this though: If the R's believed the note so quickly, why did they immediately break the rules of the RN and call the police, friends, etc.?

The RN states specifically that they were being monitored and not to call anyone. There are numerous threats about what would happen if they called anyone. Why then the immediate breach? Maybe because they didn't believe, or knew for sure, that the RN wasn't real.

Sure, as a parent your first instinct might be to call 911, but if you sincerely believe in the authenticity of the RN, and that your daughter will be BEHEADED if you call, wouldn't that give you pause? Surely JR & PR would've discussed/argued about this. The note says JBR was 'safe' and 'unharmed'. What would've been the risk of waiting for the first telephone call? Instead, JR & PR immediately disregard the RN's instructions and call the police and others. A big gamble if 'talking to stray dog' = she dies.

This proves that the R's believed the RN enough to not search the house properly, but not enough to heed the warnings and threats it contained. This is very suspicious and a major incongruity. Some might argue, parents would risk calling 911, but if so, why not mention during the 911 call that it says not to call police? Also, why call others to come to your home, further ignoring the RN? Perhaps PR just quickly scanned the first paragraph of the RN and called the police? But in the call she mentions SBTC and Victory. It would stand to reason then that she read the whole thing.

The R's believed the not just enough to have it be 'plausible' to police, but disregard it pretty much in every other sense.

In regards to who actually authored the note, I find FFJ member Cherokee's analysis of the RN entirely plausible and it is probably correct. Patsy Ramsey wrote it. And if this is true, that's the case.

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=6404

There could be no innocent explanation of why PR wrote the note. The killer wrote the note. JR & PR have even agreed to this on Larry King Live.

As stated above, it is highly unlikely an intruder wrote the note as they really had nothing to gain and everything to lose by doing so (eg. JBR was probably already dead, extremely low probability of getting money vs giving the police handwriting evidence and/or getting caught in the act) The question then becomes, who does benefit from a fake RN?

The R's, plain and simple. The RN shifts focus away from the family and provides them with an 'alibi'. Look at it this way:

If an intruder really did kill JBR and the RN didn't exist, it wouldn't have hindered them in any way. However, if the R's killed JBR and the RN didn't exist, they'd have lots of explaining to do.

Occam's razor at it's simplest.


PS Possible mini 'smoking gun'? The figure $118,000.00

Yeah, we all know, the size of the bonus. That's not what's important though. It's the unnecessary inclusion of the period & cents! Take a look at Patsy police chart when she spells $118,000 She includes a period (.) after each one!

http://www.acandyrose.com/patsychart3-individual2.gif

This is not included in the example for her to write; she added the period herself! It's very distinctive trait and one I would wager not many people would do unprompted.

Man....wow you are GOOD!!!! Welcome!! Hope you stick around for a very, very long time!!!

 

[Peepers]

Personally, I could get past the RN's likeness to Patsys actual writing. Im sure there are other people with that style of writing. i could see doubt in that part..Its the content and the length and the 18,000 that gets me..An intruder could have asked for millions, an intruder would have said "hey, we have your daughter, pay up", not some diatribe with southern slang. Even the ramblings of a psychotic dont fit in this ransom note.

 

[Peepers]

oh, and probably the most important point that horatio brings up..how quickly they called the cops. If they really discovered the note, wouldnt you take a minute to collect yourself and discuss whether or not you should involve the police? It seems one of them should have disagreed with calling the cops, neither of them thought it was an issue at all.

 

[Agatha_C]

oh, and probably the most important point that horatio brings up..how quickly they called the cops. If they really discovered the note, wouldnt you take a minute to collect yourself and discuss whether or not you should involve the police? It seems one of them should have disagreed with calling the cops, neither of them thought it was an issue at all.

Now you're getting it Peepers.

 

[Agatha_C]

There something about the RN thats bothering me. The S.B.T.C. It looks to me, like the S was an after thought and the B was originally an R.

Do you see the difference in space between the S and the B versus the B.T.C.? Now look at the bottom of the B, that was originally an R.

If I am correct that make the original signature R.T.C.

 

[DeeDee249]

There something about the RN thats bothering me. The S.B.T.C. It looks to me, like the S was an after thought and the B was originally an R.

Do you see the difference in space between the S and the B versus the B.T.C.? Now look at the bottom of the B, that was originally an R.

If I am correct that make the original signature R.T.C.

I don't really see that with enough clarity be sure it was added later. What I DO see is that there are periods between the letters- something that Patsy was KNOWN to do, and that few others do.

 

[BBB167893]

Now you're getting it Peepers.

Aye, he's onto it!

 

[qtc]

If Patsy did write the note, why make it so long? It should have been 5 or 6 lines. There would have been less clues with a shorter note. And ask for a bigger, rounder number. She should have also left out whole, "Call the police and she dies" bit. Just makes her/them look suspicious, since they called their friends and the police immediately.

 

[joeskidbeck]

I believe the ransom not was so long in order to point in so many different locations that LE would never be able to figure out a suspect. Just look at the many types of perp the note "fingered". A pedophile, a kidnapper, a murderer, foreign terrorists, and lastly, just someone with a grudge against John. That's what I call covering all your bases!

 

[BBB167893]

I believe the ransom not was so long in order to point in so many different locations that LE would never be able to figure out a suspect. Just look at the many types of perp the note "fingered". A pedophile, a kidnapper, a murderer, foreign terrorists, and lastly, just someone with a grudge against John. That's what I call covering all your bases!

That's how I look at it.

 

[wonderllama]

I believe the ransom not was so long in order to point in so many different locations that LE would never be able to figure out a suspect. Just look at the many types of perp the note "fingered". A pedophile, a kidnapper, a murderer, foreign terrorists, and lastly, just someone with a grudge against John. That's what I call covering all your bases!

And in that respect, it worked perfectly.
Playing for time.....and here we are, 15 years later....

 

[BBB167893]

And in that respect, it worked perfectly.
Playing for time.....and here we are, 15 years later....

Well, that's the thing, wonderllama. There's a dirty little secret in American justice: no matter how ridiculous your story is, SOMEONE out there will believe you.

As the legendary showman P.T. Barnum said, "there's a sucker born every minute." And, as we seem to be reminded of regularly, a lot of those "suckers" find their way onto juries. And it only takes ONE out of twelve to send a killer home. Defense attorneys count on that one sucker. They actively try to cultivate them.

 

[qtc]

I believe the ransom not was so long in order to point in so many different locations that LE would never be able to figure out a suspect. Just look at the many types of perp the note "fingered". A pedophile, a kidnapper, a murderer, foreign terrorists, and lastly, just someone with a grudge against John. That's what I call covering all your bases!

And in doing so, doesnt it kinda point the finger back at you (if it was the ramseys wrote it) because it is just so outlandish? Not to mention the fact that it was a Ransom note, but she never made it out of the house alive.

 

[SunnieRN]

And in that respect, it worked perfectly.
Playing for time.....and here we are, 15 years later....

Put this way, this is truly very depressing! We need a new outlook on things! I am VERY happy that we should all hopefully be able to read SuperDaves book soon! I also hope that it will help move the 'new' investigation along!

 

[BBB167893]

Put this way, this is truly very depressing! We need a new outlook on things! I am VERY happy that we should all hopefully be able to read SuperDave's book soon! I also hope that it will help move the 'new' investigation along!

You'd make a good press agent, Sunnie!

And yes, it's my hope that this book will pressure LE to actually DO something aside from closing ranks.

Just a warning, though: if you're looking for a "greatest forum hits" compilation, you're out of luck. Writing a coherent book is a lot different from posting on a forum.

Okay, that's enough self-promotion. I feel like enough of a heel already.

 

[SunnieRN]

You'd make a good press agent, Sunnie!

And yes, it's my hope that this book will pressure LE to actually DO something aside from closing ranks.

Just a warning, though: if you're looking for a "greatest forum hits" compilation, you're out of luck. Writing a coherent book is a lot different from posting on a forum.

Okay, that's enough self-promotion. I feel like enough of a heel already.

Just looking for some information, the truth of the existing evidence and of course your honest opinions. I am sure your book will be all this and more!

"Greatest forum hits" can be found right here! ;-)

 

[BBB167893]

Just looking for some information, the truth of the existing evidence and of course your honest opinions. I am sure your book will be all this and more!

"Greatest forum hits" can be found right here! ;-)

Maybe I'll start a thread for that.