The ransom note & Patsy Ramsey, letter by letter.

Did Patsy write the ransom note?

  • Yes, Patsy wrote the note

    Votes: 289 91.2%
  • No, Patsy did not write the note

    Votes: 28 8.8%

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I am absolutely not ambidextrous .... and I just did a little experiment .... I wrote "attache case" with my left hand , and then with my right hand .... and guess what ... other than the LH being a bit wobbly I made the letters very much the same as RH !!!! .... interesting !!! ....

Would be interesting if that works for you folks as well .... I used a similar style of printing as the ransom note ... I think they call it non-cursive or something.

The biggest difference was LH was painfully slow ... took 3-4 times longer than doing it RH
 
I am absolutely not ambidextrous .... and I just did a little experiment .... I wrote "attache case" with my left hand , and then with my right hand .... and guess what ... other than the LH being a bit wobbly I made the letters very much the same as RH !!!! .... interesting !!! ....

Would be interesting if that works for you folks as well .... I used a similar style of printing as the ransom note ... I think they call it non-cursive or something.

The biggest difference was LH was painfully slow ... took 3-4 times longer than doing it RH

Of course, Patsy had plenty of time. She was under great stress, but didn't have to rush.
 
Of course, Patsy had plenty of time. She was under great stress, but didn't have to rush.

This is why there is not doubt in my mind that PR wrote the RN after the murder, not prior to it as some have theorized.

After JBR died, PR went into total self-preservation mode. Everything became completely about Patsy.....the hyperventilating on the 911 call, then the almost laughable drama scenes she acted out after JRB's body was brought upstairs.
 
New to the forum. Retired Naval Officer like John Ramsey. A lot of the "jargon" used in the note are used in common military communication like "advised", "rested", "foreign faction", "to the letter", "attaché", "immediate execution", "proper burial", "counter measures and tactics", "Victory". Please don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. I lived it.
 
New to the forum. Retired Naval Officer like John Ramsey. A lot of the "jargon" used in the note are used in common military communication like "advised", "rested", "foreign faction", "to the letter", "attaché", "immediate execution", "proper burial", "counter measures and tactics", "Victory". Please don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. I lived it.

Maybe he (JR) was giving PR some suggestions. JMO
 
Do you mean he dictated it to her? Then they both decided to call the police but forgot to destroy the ransom note? No wait, Patsy mentioned the ransom note in her call. Why would they do that before getting rid of the body?
 
Do you mean he dictated it to her? Then they both decided to call the police but forgot to destroy the ransom note? No wait, Patsy mentioned the ransom note in her call. Why would they do that before getting rid of the body?

Great questions Sandvol. We all wish we had the answers to them.

Welcome to the JBR forum.
 
This note follows a very precise format and its structure is straightforward and direct. There's an attention grabbing introduction, and then an idea is stated, and then each idea is followed up with elaboration, and so on. There's a spot though, where writing about the delivery and pick-up that seems to lose focus-as if the writer is distracted, and then the next part gets really hardcore and focuses on JB' being murdered. So IMO, these parts may have been written right before and right after the final act of murder. In other words, the writer was distracted, left the note writing, murdered JB, and then went back to note writing. After Kolar's 's book came out, there was quite a bit of discussion on the time lapse between the bash and final strangulation, so IMO, writing the note, may be what the killer was doing during this lapse. Anyway, back to the format and structure. The author didn't identify himself until the very end, with the SBTC signature. IMO, this points to the name being made up during the writing, otherwise, he would have identified himself when referencing the small foreign faction. So, what does this mean? This is what I think. Because the note's structure follows a very precise format, it's my opinion that the last paragraph follows the same format...where each idea is followed by elaboration. IMO, the last paragraph is a personal plea to JR to unite with the author, and the follow up is elaboration. So, the, 'it's up to you now John! Victory!', is the author saying that united, they will be victorious, and the 'S.B.T.C', would be something along the lines of, 'Separate, Broken, Together, Complete', or Single, Bared, Together, Covered', etc. Anyway, it's moo based on the flow and structure of the note, that the author probably wouldn't have back referenced to the foreign faction or thrown in a random religious reference. all moo.

This note follows a very precise format and its structure is straightforward and direct. There's an attention grabbing introduction, and then an idea is stated, and then each idea is followed up with elaboration, and so on.

The RN is properly structured and as far as story telling goes, it is fascinating. Under different conditions, we could believe this to be an authentic RN.


There's a spot though, where writing about the delivery and pick-up that seems to lose focus-as if the writer is distracted, and then the next part gets really hardcore and focuses on JB' being murdered. So IMO, these parts may have been written right before and right after the final act of murder.


It does appear the writer stopped and started multiple times. Patsy kept the RN hidden deep in the tablet. She could add to it anytime she thought of another good line to use.


After Kolar's 's book came out, there was quite a bit of discussion on the time lapse between the bash and final strangulation


Let's say the head bash with the flashlight occurred in the kitchen at the table where JonBenet was fed pineapple by Patsy. JonBenet has collapsed; hence, is taken to the dark basement where she was placed outside the cellar until the garrote was constructed and then executed. This could explain the time difference, too. Frankly, anything could have happened in the 10 - 60 minute gap. We do know JonBenet was alive and breathing at this time.

BBM
Anyway, back to the format and structure. The author didn't identify himself until the very end, with the SBTC signature.

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the last paragraph is a personal plea to JR to unite with the author, and the follow up is elaboration. So, the, 'it's up to you now John! Victory!', is the author saying that united, they will be victorious, and the 'S.B.T.C', would be something along the lines of, 'Separate, Broken, Together, Complete', or Single, Bared, Together, Covered', etc.


"It's up to you now, John! Victory! SBTC!"

Patsy's meaning for the sig SBTC, based on her religious efforts, was likely "Saved by the Cross". However, as you mention, dodie20, there are numerous possibilities. She immensely enjoyed ambiguity. She was proud of the RN as her finest piece of dramatic work to date.
 
It is reasonable to believe that the Ramseys intended to dispose of the body before calling the police. Why else would they fake a kidnapping except to “explain” their missing child?

I like the idea that Mrs Ramsey must have changed her mind about disposing of the body. This is one way of explaining why the call was made before the body could be removed.

However, what I don’t understand is why the body is hidden in the basement. If they planned to dispose of it, as the creation of a fake kidnapping strongly suggest, than the body should have been in the trunk of the car.

The garage is attached to the house, there would have been no risk in taking the body out to the car.
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AK
 
It is reasonable to believe that the Ramseys intended to dispose of the body before calling the police. Why else would they fake a kidnapping except to “explain” their missing child?

I like the idea that Mrs Ramsey must have changed her mind about disposing of the body. This is one way of explaining why the call was made before the body could be removed.

However, what I don’t understand is why the body is hidden in the basement. If they planned to dispose of it, as the creation of a fake kidnapping strongly suggest, than the body should have been in the trunk of the car.

The garage is attached to the house, there would have been no risk in taking the body out to the car.
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AK

Maybe Patsy couldn't bear the thought of JonBenet not getting a proper burial? If that's the case, one may wonder why still use the ransom note? Good question. Possibly they were doing anything & everything to get the BPD focus off of anyone in the family. When Patsy spoke to investigators, she seemed to be willing to sell anyone down the river...except her family.
 
I always wondered about the S.B.T.C signature and often think it is just something random that PR came up with in the moment--that it really didn't signify anything in particular.
 
If RDI, why did John readily retrieve THE notepad for Sgt. Whitson? ...&, why wouldn't the Rs have disposed of/hidden it, along with the pen, as was the case with other items used in the commission of the crime(s)?
 
If RDI, why did John readily retrieve THE notepad for Sgt. Whitson? ...&, why wouldn't the Rs have disposed of/hidden it, along with the pen, as was the case with other items used in the commission of the crime(s)?

If PR was the one responsible for JR's death and the cover up, as one RDI theory suggests, and JR did not figure this out until much later on the morning of the 26th, as suggested by his strange behavior, then maybe he did not, at that point, KNOW that the ransom note came from that particular pad/pen.

Or, it could simply be that in the grand scheme of things, they did not feel like disposing of the pad/pen was that big of deal in terms of painting the IDI theory.
 
If RDI, why did John readily retrieve THE notepad for Sgt. Whitson? ...&, why wouldn't the Rs have disposed of/hidden it, along with the pen, as was the case with other items used in the commission of the crime(s)?

why did John readily retrieve THE notepad for Sgt. Whitson

JR also told the officer "It was an inside job." Perhaps he was setting up the housekeeper.

why wouldn't the Rs have disposed of/hidden it, along with the pen, as was the case with other items used in the commission of the crime(s)?

It may have been a well-known fact that the Ramsey's habitually kept the same style tablet and black Sharpies by the telephone; therefore, tossing them would be suspicious. IIRC, there was more than one tablet and more black permanent markers, than the one used, found at that location.

It flies in the face of common sense, in this particular circumstance, that an IDI kidnapper would sit in the home writing a RN using the homeowner's equipment.

LE traced the nylon cord and the tape to purchases Patsy made on the American Express credit card in December 1996 at McGluckin's Hardware in Boulder.

If IDI, why did Patsy deny feeding JonBenet pineapple?
 
i am at a brick wall.... i am not calling the JonBenet Ramsey tipline anymore...
i called several years ago... to report the persons that murdered JonBenet and me and my co-worker found the murder weapon..... i called, an investigator came a week or so later and then i went missing and he got attacked outside of town and they stole his portable player and my former boss a few days later was watching the raw security footage of when he murdered JonBenet on the stolen player... 3 witnesses all 3 of us were his employees and got harrassed non-stop... and yes 100% the handwritten ransom note is "his physical" handwritting... S.B.T.C is theyr signature and they have written several because a co-worker was cleaning and found a stack of notes similar and she attacked again...

we have turned him in numerous time to local and they do nothing

S.B.T.C.
stands for
Steve, Brian, T (his name), Cindy (Brian's sister)

Victory is his logo and has been since late 1980's and well...

I can not find a way to contact Boulder Law Enforcement other than by phone and only option is the voicemail... that is not working

his name is Brian L Berhow... Northstar Powersports & Marine Albert Lea MN

can anyone forward this to someone within the investigation... i cant find a channel
 
i am at a brick wall.... i am not calling the JonBenet Ramsey tipline anymore...
i called several years ago... to report the persons that murdered JonBenet and me and my co-worker found the murder weapon..... i called, an investigator came a week or so later and then i went missing and he got attacked outside of town and they stole his portable player and my former boss a few days later was watching the raw security footage of when he murdered JonBenet on the stolen player... 3 witnesses all 3 of us were his employees and got harrassed non-stop... and yes 100% the handwritten ransom note is "his physical" handwritting... S.B.T.C is theyr signature and they have written several because a co-worker was cleaning and found a stack of notes similar and she attacked again...

we have turned him in numerous time to local and they do nothing

S.B.T.C.
stands for
Steve, Brian, T (his name), Cindy (Brian's sister)

Victory is his logo and has been since late 1980's and well...

I can not find a way to contact Boulder Law Enforcement other than by phone and only option is the voicemail... that is not working

his name is Brian L Berhow... Northstar Powersports & Marine Albert Lea MN

can anyone forward this to someone within the investigation... i cant find a channel


Um, can you elaborate on this? What was the connection between this person and the Ramseys? What do you mean by watching the raw security footage of when he murdered JR?
 
I can think of several scenarios to explain why an intruder might intentionally leave both ransom note and body, but I cannot fathom why the Ramseys would do the same unless they planned to dispose of the body.

If the Ramseys faked a kidnapping than they would not, could not, singly or together, allow the police to be called while the body was still in the house. So, why were the police called?

If they planned to dispose of the body, than why is it in the basement instead of the trunk of the car?

If they planned to dispose of the body but changed their minds, then why would they call the police before undoing the staged kidnapping and still report a kidnapping?

If they wanted police to believe and intruder had come into their home, then why would they tell police that all the doors were locked?! Why wouldn’t they, at least, raise the garage door a cpl feet (an intruder could slip beneath the door and enter the house because the door joining garage and house was routinely left unlocked). Something, anything to show police how an intruder could have come and gone (the back door was wide open when we got up that morning...).

Why would they create 2 ½ pages of self-incriminating evidence knowing full well that investigators would get their hands on it?

Why would the Ramseys want investigators to think that this was in inside job? To point investigators towards an insider would be virtual suicide as no one is more inside than themselves!
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AK
 
JR also told the officer "It was an inside job." Perhaps he was setting up the housekeeper.



It may have been a well-known fact that the Ramsey's habitually kept the same style tablet and black Sharpies by the telephone; therefore, tossing them would be suspicious. IIRC, there was more than one tablet and more black permanent markers, than the one used, found at that location.

It flies in the face of common sense, in this particular circumstance, that an IDI kidnapper would sit in the home writing a RN using the homeowner's equipment.

LE traced the nylon cord and the tape to purchases Patsy made on the American Express credit card in December 1996 at McGluckin's Hardware in Boulder.

If IDI, why did Patsy deny feeding JonBenet pineapple?
The cord and tape were not traced back to Mrs Ramsey. Supposedly, iirc, it was discovered that Mrs Ramsey had purchased items at McGuckins that were priced the same as the cord and tape.
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AK
 
I, for one, would be very interested to read the several explanations for why an intruder would take the time to sexually assault her, bash her skull in, strangle her some time later, write a ransom note and place it on the stairs, clean up her body and change her clothes, but then decide to just leave the body and the ransom note in the same house. That should be interesting reading.

Let's theorize why the intruder was there in the first place. If they came to kidnap JB, then they'd have brought the note with them, and when they decided to move, snatch her up, drop the note on the way out and be gone with her in 2-3 minutes, tops. We know that didn't happen. If they came to molest her, and something went wrong and she was killed, then why was the ransom note even written? At the point that the intruder has a dead child on their hands, they bail, either with or without the dead body. They don't sit down and try to make up a lie, clean up the body, change her clothes, et cetera. If they came to murder JBR, once she's dead, objective complete. Again, you don't need a silly ransom note. What you need is to get out of the house ASAP to make sure you're not caught. We all go into self-preservation mode, it's a natural reaction. Self-preservation mode for an intruder is to get as far away from that house as possible, as quickly as possible. That's not an option for someone who lived in the house. For a resident of the home, self-preservation mode is create an explanation for why she's no longer alive and well and with you on the morning of the 26th. That's exactly what happened.

There's a very simple explanation for why there was both a body and ransom note in the home in an RDI scenario. JR was showering, cleaning all the evidence off himself from cleaning up JBR's body when PR deviated from the plan, which was to call police after JR had taken the body out of the house to dump it, and go to the bank and withdraw the ransom money. Call police and all your friends after John had left, so as to explain why the ransom call never came, and why JB would be found dead. The RN explicitly told the Rs several times if they talked to anyone, JBR would be killed. We know that JBR had already been killed, and so did Patsy, which is why she made no mention on the 911 call that the RN said the family and the house was being monitored....because, you know, a parent who received a note like this and actually believed it, would have taken every threat very seriously and made sure they weren't doing anything that would directly lead to their child's death. We can all understand making the call to LE...but calling over a houseful of friends as well? For what purpose exactly, moral support at the risk of your child's life?

Back to the theory...why would PR deviate from the plan? Simple explanation there also, she couldn't stand the thought of JBR's body being dumped like a sack of garbage. It might not be found quickly enough and might decompose. Then she wouldn't be able to put JB on display for her final and ultimate pageant.

See, RDI actually explains pretty much everything. The "adequate size attache"...why would any intruder care what size case you pick up the money in? The note instructed JR how the money was to be paid out, in what bills. It would require 38 stacks of bills wrapped 50 bills in each stack. That could easily fit into one of Burke's shoe boxes, so why would JR need an "adequate size attache"? In a scenario where R wrote the RN, there's an easy explanation for why the author would specifically mention the size of the case, so in case anyone sees JR carrying the suitcase he had JBR's body inside as he was taking it to dump, the explanation would be it was for the ransom money. Fibers from inside JAR's suitcase were found on JBR, supporting the theory that her body may have been placed, or tried to have been placed inside it.

This theory also explains why JR and PR were so estranged the morning of the 26th. JR had to be pissed at PR for deviating from the plan. He knew the body would be found in the house, and reasonably deduced one or more of his family members would be charged in her murder, including himself. Was his wife trying to set him up to take the fall? That had to have crossed his mind...but he had to be careful not to let on that he knew anything and he couldn't ask his wife "wtf?!?" with so many people there at the house, so the easiest thing to do was just avoid her.
 
I, for one, would be very interested to read the several explanations for why an intruder would take the time to sexually assault her, bash her skull in, strangle her some time later, write a ransom note and place it on the stairs, clean up her body and change her clothes, but then decide to just leave the body and the ransom note in the same house. That should be interesting reading.

Let's theorize why the intruder was there in the first place. If they came to kidnap JB, then they'd have brought the note with them, and when they decided to move, snatch her up, drop the note on the way out and be gone with her in 2-3 minutes, tops. We know that didn't happen. If they came to molest her, and something went wrong and she was killed, then why was the ransom note even written? At the point that the intruder has a dead child on their hands, they bail, either with or without the dead body. They don't sit down and try to make up a lie, clean up the body, change her clothes, et cetera. If they came to murder JBR, once she's dead, objective complete. Again, you don't need a silly ransom note. What you need is to get out of the house ASAP to make sure you're not caught. We all go into self-preservation mode, it's a natural reaction. Self-preservation mode for an intruder is to get as far away from that house as possible, as quickly as possible. That's not an option for someone who lived in the house. For a resident of the home, self-preservation mode is create an explanation for why she's no longer alive and well and with you on the morning of the 26th. That's exactly what happened.

There's a very simple explanation for why there was both a body and ransom note in the home in an RDI scenario. JR was showering, cleaning all the evidence off himself from cleaning up JBR's body when PR deviated from the plan, which was to call police after JR had taken the body out of the house to dump it, and go to the bank and withdraw the ransom money. Call police and all your friends after John had left, so as to explain why the ransom call never came, and why JB would be found dead. The RN explicitly told the Rs several times if they talked to anyone, JBR would be killed. We know that JBR had already been killed, and so did Patsy, which is why she made no mention on the 911 call that the RN said the family and the house was being monitored....because, you know, a parent who received a note like this and actually believed it, would have taken every threat very seriously and made sure they weren't doing anything that would directly lead to their child's death. We can all understand making the call to LE...but calling over a houseful of friends as well? For what purpose exactly, moral support at the risk of your child's life?

Back to the theory...why would PR deviate from the plan? Simple explanation there also, she couldn't stand the thought of JBR's body being dumped like a sack of garbage. It might not be found quickly enough and might decompose. Then she wouldn't be able to put JB on display for her final and ultimate pageant.

See, RDI actually explains pretty much everything. The "adequate size attache"...why would any intruder care what size case you pick up the money in? The note instructed JR how the money was to be paid out, in what bills. It would require 38 stacks of bills wrapped 50 bills in each stack. That could easily fit into one of Burke's shoe boxes, so why would JR need an "adequate size attache"? In a scenario where R wrote the RN, there's an easy explanation for why the author would specifically mention the size of the case, so in case anyone sees JR carrying the suitcase he had JBR's body inside as he was taking it to dump, the explanation would be it was for the ransom money. Fibers from inside JAR's suitcase were found on JBR, supporting the theory that her body may have been placed, or tried to have been placed inside it.

This theory also explains why JR and PR were so estranged the morning of the 26th. JR had to be pissed at PR for deviating from the plan. He knew the body would be found in the house, and reasonably deduced one or more of his family members would be charged in her murder, including himself. Was his wife trying to set him up to take the fall? That had to have crossed his mind...but he had to be careful not to let on that he knew anything and he couldn't ask his wife "wtf?!?" with so many people there at the house, so the easiest thing to do was just avoid her.

Sure, we could say that Mrs Ramsey must have deviated from the plan. Or, we could say that she was not aware of the plan.

Let’s go with the deviation: Mrs Ramsey calls the police and reports a kidnapping because a kidnapping explains why Jonbenet is “missing.” However, she first decides that Jonbenet’s body must remain in the house. Keeping the body in the house will reveal the kidnapping as a lie. It no longer makes sense to report a kidnapping, and yet that is exactly what she did!

If Mrs Ramsey found that she could not bear to dispose of the body, then she needed to convince Mr Ramsey that they needed to come up with a different story. John! I would rather we both went to jail then dispose of her like this!

In either case, deviation or innocence, we are still left to wonder why the body is in the basement. If they were going to dispose of it then shouldn’t it be in the trunk of the car? Or, in the garage... ? Why would they unnecessarily create so much self-incriminating evidence? Why would they claim all the doors were locked? Etc...

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I posted several scenarios explaining why an INTRUDER (not specifically a kidnapper) might have left both note and victim in the house on a different thread: http://tinyurl.com/kv973we

They may all be wrong. I don’t know; the point is simply that there are possibilities, and, it’s difficult to dismiss ALL of them without benefit of a suspect to pin any of them on.
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AK
 
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