The ransom note

[fr brown]

I've been thinking today about the phrase adequate size attache. It's always struck me as odd because I would say adequately-sized. (I don't think the ransom note version qualifies as wrong, though: you wouldn't say adequately size.)

I looked at the interviews and see that Patsy in 1997 says twin size blanket and notebook size paper. (But in 1998 she says "it was letter-sized.") John avoids sizing anything.

In Death of Innocence, "Patsy" talks about a full-size angel tree while "John" talks about a medium-sized business. (Oddly perhaps, in the 2001 edition this has been changed to medium-size business.) I should mention that the NYT style manual seems to freely mix -size and -sized. Either seems to be acceptable.

Flat adverbs (those lacking ly) sometimes raise people's hackles. Patsy and John both seem to attach an ly where you'd expect, but it's harder to search for something that's not there.

 

[UKGuy]

I've been thinking today about the phrase adequate size attache. It's always struck me as odd because I would say adequately-sized. (I don't think the ransom note version qualifies as wrong, though: you wouldn't say adequately size.)

I looked at the interviews and see that Patsy in 1997 says twin size blanket and notebook size paper. (But in 1998 she says "it was letter-sized.") John avoids sizing anything.

In Death of Innocence, "Patsy" talks about a full-size angel tree while "John" talks about a medium-sized business. (Oddly perhaps, in the 2001 edition this has been changed to medium-size business.) I should mention that the NYT style manual seems to freely mix -size and -sized. Either seems to be acceptable.

Flat adverbs (those lacking ly) sometimes raise people's hackles. Patsy and John both seem to attach an ly where you'd expect, but it's harder to search for something that's not there.

fr brown
It sure is an odd phrase, you have to wonder was Patsy, who I reckon authored the RN, attempting to suggest that the kidnapper was literate by using attache?

Presumably its a coincidence that the RN demand number was 118 and the psalm number was 118, or was Patsy deliberately dropping choice words into the RN, e.g. SBTC, Victory?


Profiling Violent Crimes, by Holmes, Holmes, Excerpt

Murder Investigation of JonBenet Ramsey
EVIDENCE ANALYSIS
Part II

Prepared by:
SERAPH Inc.
Dale Yeager
Denise Knoke
25-May-98

Psalm 118:18 - 27

1/1a As we stated in our first report, we believe that Patsy Ramsey's mindset before and after the murder of JonBenet, was heavily influenced by the charismatic theological subculture that she had embraced during her bout with cancer.

Psalm 118 is a biblical chapter that is used quite often in the Charismatic/Pentecostal movement. This subculture of the Christian Religion has many unwritten fundamentals that they adhere to. One area in which they divert from main stream Christian theology is in the area of biblical interpretation. Because of their extreme emphasis on spiritual gifts, they tend to have a more flexible view of interpretation compared to the more scholarly approach taken by their fellow Christians in main steam denominations.

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CORDS OR BINDINGS - Binding is a significant word used frequently in the Charismatic subculture. It stems from the belief that Satan/Evil does not operate without Gods permission.
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S.B.T.C. - In the Charismatic subculture, acronyms are quite common and used quite frequently as teaching tools and on banners [In church icons]. S.B.T.C. is a well-used acronym that represents the words "saved by the cross". In our extensive database of terroristic groups, we find no use of this phrase with White Supremacy or International Organizations. The author of the ransom note uses this acronym along with the word "victory". The word "victory" is used in the Charismatic subculture as a verb. It is seen as the result of actions taken by believers to bind and overcome Satan's power primarily in the areas of physical health.

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SACRIFICE - The concept of sacrifice is prominent in all Christian theology most clearly in the idea of Jesus being sacrificed on the cross for the remission of the world's sins.

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We do not believe as has been theorized that this murder was the result of sexual assault. The autopsy report clearly states that the vaginal trauma was superficial and not consistent with known forensic profiles of sexual assault. There is no evidence in pedophile research of strangulation as a means of sexual gratification for a child molester. Strangulation and sexual assault are most commonly seen in sadomasochism between heterosexual and homosexual adults. Or by late adolescent and young adult males during masturbation.

We do not believe that John Ramsey was involved in a sexual relationship with JonBenet. We do believe that he played a role in the cover up that followed the murder.

Might be Patsy had some biblical crazyness going on as she wrote the RN?


BPD Search Warrant 12/26/1996, says

Red pocket knife with broken ornament (41KKY)

Bonita Papers, say

Red Swiss Army Knife in wine cellar near blanket

ST: Patsy, once we were told that Burke at times, would walk through the house whittling and that was something that apparently got on Linda Hoffmans’ nerves somehow to clean up after him.
PR: Right.
ST: Was this consistent with his little pocketknife?
PR: Yeah.
ST: He’d walk through the house whittling and for the tape, I’m showing Patsy a photo of a little red Swiss army knife.
PR: Right. He had one we had gotten him in Switzerland, it had his mane on it. Does this have his name on it?
ST: I don’t know.
PR: You don’t know, OK

I'll bet Patsy is ready to say well if his name is not on it, its not the one I bought him

Just like the size-6 underwear BPD are not being detailed about the pocket or swiss army knife, i.e. was it really Burke's?

The knife found in the basement was probably used to cut the nylon cord and open the size-12's, or is it just a red herring?

If the case is PDI why would Patsy leave the knife behind but remove the other items?

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[Dragognosis]

"Might be Patsy had some biblical crazyness going on as she wrote the RN?"

What exactly is Biblical craziness?

 

[UKGuy]

"Might be Patsy had some biblical crazyness going on as she wrote the RN?"

What exactly is Biblical craziness?

Dragognosis,
The reading and intonation of sacred scripture can lead to visions and hearing the voice of God.

Some might claim 'hearing voices' is a sign of illness and that 'visions' are merely hallucinations caused by some neurological disorder.

If Patsy was aware of all this, she could have factored this into her design of the RN?


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[Dragognosis]

Sure

 

[Tadpole12]

@UK
wrt 'Bonita Papers, say'
[I'm unsure if the BP are the initial source for the appearance of the lady Godiva book?]

How does the appearance of the 'adult' Dr. Seuss book,
fit into the sequence of staging?
Surely not by mere happenstance?

I just wonder, given that DJ Hughes, aka SD, produced Disney incestuous erotica, to procure children, into a state of undress.
As primary caretakers, neither PR or JR required such a device?
A POI in the periphery?

 

[UKGuy]

@UK
wrt 'Bonita Papers, say'
[I'm unsure if the BP are the initial source for the appearance of the lady Godiva book?]

How does the appearance of the 'adult' Dr. Seuss book,
fit into the sequence of staging?
Surely not by mere happenstance?

I just wonder, given that DJ Hughes, aka SD, produced Disney incestuous erotica, to procure children, into a state of undress.
As primary caretakers, neither PR or JR required such a device?
A POI in the periphery?

Tadpole12,

How does the appearance of the 'adult' Dr. Seuss book,
fit into the sequence of staging?
Surely not by mere happenstance?

Surely depends on when you think it was used, and by who?

An off the wall scenario is that the case is BDI All, but not quite as we ever thought it might be, this is because the parents tweaked the basement staging to make it appear something beyond that of a 9-year old boy?

I've never read the Dr. Seuss book so cannot judge where it might fit in, but what I do think is that one or both of the parents likely filled the samsonsite suitcase with stuff from upstairs, e.g. cutesy photographs of JonBenet, pillow sham, duvet, etc, using it to transport evidence from upstairs to downstairs. In this scenario it's Burke who owned all those photographs.

I just wonder, given that DJ Hughes, aka SD, produced Disney incestuous erotica, to procure children, into a state of undress.
As primary caretakers, neither PR or JR required such a device?
A POI in the periphery?

I agree the parents did not need such a device, so it might just be a red herring, or it might have some deeper relevance for another family member?

Alternatively the Dr. Seuss book was part of a prior, dismantled staging, where the broken window and the pink barbie nightgown played some role?

If the case is PDI, why does Patsy construct a staged crime-scene where the majority of the forensic evidence is linked directly to her?

The other anomaly is the splinter or cellulose found inside JonBenet, i.e. why wipe JonBenet down, e.g. Coroner Meyer's verbatim remarks, and redress her in size-12's if you are intent on staging some kind of sexual scenario, where is the percentage in that?

The thing is it looks to me as if someone was regularly sexually abusing JonBenet and I doubt that was Patsy?

Just finished watching the first part of the MJ Documentary, nearly two hours long, its pretty graphic in the details, and I came away convinced that MJ was a serial pedophile.

The crazy thing is you can see how he was always surrounding himself with children, all ages, and nobody seemed to bother too much, not even the parents!

Patently MJ had fixers working for him who asked no questions.

So to conclude on the Dr. Seuss book, etc. It might have been part of a prior staging that included some kind of self-evident sexual assault, which was all cleaned up and moved out of sight when they decided JonBenet should just be abducted?

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[Dragognosis]

"If the case is PDI, why does Patsy construct a staged crime-scene where the majority of the forensic evidence is linked directly to her?"

Patsy didn't construct a staged crime-scene where the majority of the forensic evidence is linked directly to her.

 

[Kaie]

"If the case is PDI, why does Patsy construct a staged crime-scene where the majority of the forensic evidence is linked directly to her?"

Patsy didn't construct a staged crime-scene where the majority of the forensic evidence is linked directly to her.

Well, the ransom note being written on her writing pad, with her pen, and in her own hand (imo... and that of many others) doesn't help. If she did participate in staging a crime scene that seems to point in her direction, it's because it was a panicked, clumsy staging attempt, where they never even made up their minds about what type of crime they were trying to make it look like. Is it a kidnapping? Is it a murder? Who can tell? For a split second there, the author of the note tried to make it sound like terrorism.
There was one part of the crime scene manipulation that they got right though, which was calling everyone they could think of to come right over then and there. After all that strange effort with the note, all they really needed was a stampede to trample all over the crime scene... and I think a little bit of clearer thought had started to seep in when those calls were made.

 

[Userid]

Well, the ransom note being written on her writing pad, with her pen, and in her own hand (imo... and that of many others) doesn't help. If she did participate in staging a crime scene that seems to point in her direction, it's because it was a panicked, clumsy staging attempt, where they never even made up their minds about what type of crime they were trying to make it look like. Is it a kidnapping? Is it a murder? Who can tell? For a split second there, the author of the note tried to make it sound like terrorism.
There was one part of the crime scene manipulation that they got right though, which was calling everyone they could think of to come right over then and there. After all that strange effort with the note, all they really needed was a stampede to trample all over the crime scene... and I think a little bit of clearer thought had started to seep in when those calls were made.

Well, someone (out of the two) had to write the note; otherwise, they couldn't adequately stage an intruder. The ransom note is the key to staging an intruder.

 

[Dragognosis]

Well, someone (out of the two) had to write the note; otherwise, they couldn't adequately stage an intruder. The ransom note is the key to staging an intruder.

So is the duct tape on the mouth. The question is who was the staging directed at? Was it by Patsy for police or was it by the alters for Patsy? I leave John out since he probably found the body before 11 a.m. and had nothing to do with it.

I think the alters did the staging.

 

[Userid]

So is the duct tape on the mouth. The question is who was the staging directed at? Was it by Patsy for police or was it by the alters for Patsy? I leave John out since he probably found the body before 11 a.m. and had nothing to do with it.

I think the alters did the staging.

I tend to believe the staging was a team effort by JR and PR for police, to make it look like an intruder did it (specifically, someone close to the family/JR). You have JR's fibers found on JBR, which always seemed (to me) to prove that he was involved in the staging.

Who do you mean by "alters" ?

 

[Dragognosis]

I think Patsy had a psychological development known as the Borderline Condition and she became dissociative to the point of split-off personality factors increasingly gaining autonomy. Patsy projected that onto JonBenet and through transference attempted to keep her psyche whole by taking JonBenet into herself as a fantasy figure: an Angel. The split-off factors were the group of individuals that threatened the kidnapping. Wholeness would be achieved via ransom and return. Problem is the Angel part came first. The kidnapping game was a cover for Patsy erasing the previous sacrifice.

I think the report of John saying he found the body in the morning is correct.

The staging was by Patsy for Patsy not for police and John had nothing to do with it.

Occam's razor; one person lost in Dreamland.
Imo.

 

[Userid]

I think Patsy had a psychological development known as the Borderline Condition and she became dissociative to the point of split-off personality factors increasingly gaining autonomy. Patsy projected that onto JonBenet and through transference attempted to keep her psyche whole by taking JonBenet into herself as a fantasy figure: an Angel. The split-off factors were the group of individuals that threatened the kidnapping. Wholeness would be achieved via ransom and return. Problem is the Angel part came first. The kidnapping game was a cover for Patsy erasing the previous sacrifice.

I think the report of John saying he found the body in the morning is correct.

The staging was by Patsy for Patsy not for police and John had nothing to do with it.

Occam's razor; one person lost in Dreamland.
Imo.

Interesting theory. I actually don't think it's far off, although I've never believed that JR knew nothing about what happened until he stumbled on the body that morning. I think he would have freaked out had he no knowledge of the events. If PR was solely responsible, why cover for her (if you're JR)? And wouldn't he -- as a father -- completely lost it if he found her body on his own, with no knowledge of the crime at all?

 

[Tadpole12]

@Dragognosis

re: DID dissociative identity disorder variation handwriting

Interesting study wrt DID, variation in handwriting and kinematics:
http://grafisticaforense.com/wp-con...der-A-longitudinal-and-a-kinematic-study..pdf

DID/ terminology:
Dissociative Identity Disorder | AllPsych
"In diagnosing MPD another indicator is the difference in handwriting styles."

DID mirror writing:
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/crim/2009/814292/

 

[UKGuy]

I think Patsy had a psychological development known as the Borderline Condition and she became dissociative to the point of split-off personality factors increasingly gaining autonomy. Patsy projected that onto JonBenet and through transference attempted to keep her psyche whole by taking JonBenet into herself as a fantasy figure: an Angel. The split-off factors were the group of individuals that threatened the kidnapping. Wholeness would be achieved via ransom and return. Problem is the Angel part came first. The kidnapping game was a cover for Patsy erasing the previous sacrifice.

I think the report of John saying he found the body in the morning is correct.

The staging was by Patsy for Patsy not for police and John had nothing to do with it.

Occam's razor; one person lost in Dreamland.
Imo.

Dragognosis,
Do you have any examples where Patsy displays her different split off selves? Patsy having DID can be independent and non-contributory to JonBenet's death.

The staging was by Patsy for Patsy not for police and John had nothing to do with it.

Presumably one of Patsy's personalities was signaling to another Patsy personality via the forensic evidence left behind that a particular personality was accountable, e.g. one that knew about the size-12's, and why Patsy the Painters paintbrush was used to fabricate a garrote?

Why would Patsy remove JonBenet's size-6 underwear and possibly her pink pajama bottoms along with the remaining pairs of size-12 underwear, what does that tell the other personalities?

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[Dragognosis]

"Do you have any examples where Patsy displays her different split off selves?"

No.

"Patsy having DID can be independent and non-contributory to JonBenet's death."

It was.

"Presumably one of Patsy's personalities was signaling to another Patsy personality via the forensic evidence left behind that a particular personality was accountable, e.g. one that knew about the size-12's, and why Patsy the Painters paintbrush was used to fabricate a garrote?"

Interesting. I think the squeeler also left the dog-eared dictionary and Bible out.

 

[Dragognosis]

"Why would Patsy remove JonBenet's size-6 underwear and possibly her pink pajama bottoms along with the remaining pairs of size-12 underwear, what does that tell the other personalities?"

The remaining pairs of size-12 underwear were removed? Source that please.

 

[UKGuy]

"Why would Patsy remove JonBenet's size-6 underwear and possibly her pink pajama bottoms along with the remaining pairs of size-12 underwear, what does that tell the other personalities?"

The remaining pairs of size-12 underwear were removed? Source that please.

Dragognosis,

The remaining pairs of size-12 underwear were removed? Source that please.

Boulder Police Department, Atlanta Interview 2000 Interview Patsy Ramsey, Excerpt

24 A. I have heard that she had on a
25 pair of Bloomi's that said Wednesday on them.

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1 Q. The underwear that she was
2 wearing, that is Bloomi's panties, do you
3 know where they come from as far as what
4 store?
5 A. Bloomingdales in New York.
6 Q. Who purchased those?
7 A. I did.
8 Q. Do you recall when you purchased
9 them?
10 A. It was, I think, November of '96.

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22 A. Well, I think that I bought a
23 package of the -- they came in a package of
24 Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.
25 I think I bought a package to give to my

0081
1 niece.
2 Q. Which niece was that?
3 A. Jenny Davis.
4 Q. They came in, if you recall, do
5 you remember that they come in kind of a
6 plastic see-through plastic container.

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21 Q. Okay. What we are trying to
22 understand is whether -- we are trying to
23 understand why she is wearing such a large
24 pair of underpants. We are hoping you can
25 help us if you have a recollection of it.

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1 A. I am sure that I put the package
2 of underwear in her bathroom, and she opened
3 them and put them on.

Boulder Police Department, Atlanta Interview 2000 Interview Patsy Ramsey, Excerpt

And I will just state a fact
12 here. I mean, there were 15 pair of panties
13 taken out of, by the police, out of
14 JonBenet's panty drawer in her bathroom. Is
15 that where she kept -
16 A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
17 Q. -- where you were describing that
18 they were just put in that drawer?
19 A. Yes.
20 Q. Okay. And every one of those was
21 either a size four or a size six. Okay?

i.e. NO size-12 underwear was found in JonBenet's underwear drawer or the house despite a coordinated search for them !

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[Dragognosis]

there were 15 pair of panties
13 taken out of, by the police