The Responsibilities of the University and Threat Assessment

[rollinginit]

RE:
a form that requires his advisers' and the dean's signatures.
Shur said that Holmes had not filled out the portion of the form that asks for a reason for withdrawal
C The form never made it to Shur's desk

For the first 72 hours admin danced with vol withdraw / turn off key card SOP

My goodness, it sounds to me like they took his "keys" to the office away before the resignation letter read HA!

IMO, they were scared of him

I am starting to agree with you about them getting rid of him first. In the thread for the pre purchases he made....I started a timeline. I was just looking at the timeline and this stood out:
First 10 days of June....Univer. was warned
June 10, he dropped out (or June 12...different article list the 10th or the 12th)

So the college says they were warned the first 10 days of June (but what if it was on the 10th), but couldn't remember the exact date.....and he "dropped" out either on the 10th or 12th.
Hmmmmmmm? If they dropped him....the information had to be BAD and there had to be proof? Right?

Here's the links about the dates I posted above:
UNIV WARNED:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...t-8001914.html
QUIT SCHOOL:http://www.freep.com/article/2012072...scientists-say

 

[jjenny]

I couldn't open the above linked re: FERPA…but here is the UC one

www.ucdenver.edu/life/services/BETA/Documents/FERPA Resources.pdf

I also found their withdrawal form, it's here: www.ucdenver.edu/student-services/resources/registrar/Documents/RegistrarForms/AMC/withdrawal.pdf

and it does say that "NOTE THAT YOU WILL NOT BE WITHDRAWN UNTIL THIS FORM IS SUBMITTED TO THE REGISTRAR’S OFFICE."

So, I think, "technically", he was still a student.

As I understand it, he did submit the form. What he didn't list was the reason why he was quitting.

 

[DeadCat]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout...ndling-james-holmes-withdrawal-205251926.html

Holmes sent an email to faculty on June 10 asking to withdraw, and was given a form that requires his advisers' and the dean's signatures. Shur said that Holmes had not filled out the portion of the form that asks for a reason for withdrawal, even though he was encouraged to do so. The form never made it to Shur's desk, so Holmes was not formally withdrawn from the university when he allegedly went on a shooting spree last Friday in a local movie theater.

CU officials defend academic, personal support available to Holmes - The Denver Post
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingn...rsonal-support-available-holmes#ixzz22hfuEd4X

When Holmes withdrew, he was required to fill out a form saying it was voluntary. Program directors then sign off on it and send it to the dean. As part of that process, the directors try to determine why the student is leaving the program. However, Holmes left that area blank on his withdrawal form.

Shur said that paperwork was being processed for Holmes but had not been completed.

"You have to understand that the program directors are with these students daily. This is not something where they're saying, 'Oh, maybe I'll see the student in six months,' " he said. "This is a family. It's a team-building environment. They're very much in contact with the students in the program.

 

[DeadCat]

As I understand it, he did submit the form. What he didn't list was the reason why he was quitting.

This is confusing. I'm not sure I understand either--did he submit the form, missing signatures? I think Shur's was required.

Adobe Acrobat Reader does have a tab at the top of this form that the person filling it in can click on to request signatures (via email?) I've never used this feature, but perhaps students do this all online and request signatures and then all the parties listed (about 5-6 departments) sign electronically. So maybe it didn't reach Shur's "desk" because it was in his email....

 

[February]

http://m.yahoo.com/w/legobpengine/n..._host_hdr=news.yahoo.com&.intl=US&.lang=en-US

He was given a form but he didnt put the reason of withdrawal, but the form still have to go to the dean for signature, barry shur said the form didnt reach his desk. See link..

 

[jjenny]

http://m.yahoo.com/w/legobpengine/n..._host_hdr=news.yahoo.com&.intl=US&.lang=en-US

He was given a form but he didnt put the reason of withdrawal, but the form still have to go to the dean for signature, barry shur said the form didnt reach his desk. See link..

Even if it didn't reach the dean, it looks like JH still submitted it. So they are considering him as withdrawn.

 

[February]

Even if it didn't reach the dean, it looks like JH still submitted it. So they are considering him as withdrawn.

The dean has to sign it off and also their Billing to send final bills, and deal with other services like student insurance and etc..

 

[rollinginit]

Even if it didn't reach the dean, it looks like JH still submitted it. So they are considering him as withdrawn.

I take it to mean....technically, he was still a student there. They had not finalized the paperwork yet.

so Holmes was not formally withdrawn from the university when he allegedly went on a shooting spree last Friday in a local movie theater.

BBM

 

[rollinginit]

A detailed article about the grant.

Then Holmes was chosen for inclusion in a National Institutes of Health grant program designed to train the best and brightest for careers as neuroscience researchers.

Each year, Diego Restrepo, co-director of CU Denver's NeuroScience Center, and a group of faculty select three of the most promising first-year doctoral students and three second-year students to split the grant.

It covers tuition and fees, and provides a stipend for living expenses, in part because the rigorous neuroscience program hardly leaves time for students to work.

The NIH awards the grant, in Restrepo's name, to the university. The intent of the grant is not to support any particular research but to train future neuroscientists, Restrepo said.

First-year students, such as Holmes, rotate through three labs, working with a different researcher in each for 12 weeks.

At the end of that first year — the program continues almost year-round — "the student sits down with three faculty members, for 45 minutes to an hour. The three faculty members represent the three courses," Ribera said

Federal stipends, common at neuroscience graduate programs across the country, allow students to devote their time to coursework and lab work, Ashe said.

"It's very unusual for students in our program or most other neuroscience programs to have jobs," he said. "It's unrealistic."

http://www.denverpost.com/theatersh...llectual-elite-before-aurora-theater-massacre

 

[CARIIS]

Holmes Failed Preliminary Exam Before Withdrawing
A man accused in a mass shooting at a Colorado theater that killed 12 people and injured 58 more failed a preliminary exam before pulling out of the neurosciences program at Colorado University.
7News' Keli Rabon was told that Holmes would not have been kicked out of the program, because students have an opportunity to improve their performance in the oral exam.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/31292454/detail.html


so which one is true.... he failed or not? was this graded or not?
is this a key oral exam that will decide if he needs to continue the program or not?

would not have been kicked out of the program,

As sensed from day one he did not withdraw, had nothing to do with perofrmance......solely about his increasingly odd and scary behavior ..................

 

[CARIIS]

Everything I've read says he "failed" but doesn't say why…could he have been a "no show" with "no excuse" (no-show = automatic fail?)

Word failed never used .... did not do well , when your the joker (and lots to do for th eopening of th epic your busy ) it is hard to pay attention to this stuff. James excels there not the Joker.

 

[CARIIS]

Catching up here.

If the form to drop out never made it to Shur's desk, why did they take his keycard passes? Who is Shur? If the proper person did not have the form, is this why it is stated "in the process of dropping out"? Who had the form? I hope they have the email about quitting.

why did they take his keycard passes?

TY! They were scared of him and threw him out on the street --- IMO.

 

[CARIIS]

I saw that. They have a lot of info on the Registrar's webpage and a link on the left to Forms, but I don't see one for withdrawal or even a reference to turning in a specific form on the Procedure for Withdrawal. I was just curious what info was requested on the form. The college (or some anonymous source) said he'd left the reason for withdrawal blank.

Cause ya really dont withdraw , if there are problems, rare, peers would even help a colleague, in this kind of setting, you all are routing for each other, respecting one another, your an esttemed bright group, your all in and doing it !

It is a wonderfully collaborative experience - supportive. Happy for one antoher when each of us slam it !

Now if your father got run over by an airplane(!) everyone would work with you to be down for a semester and come back and excell and earn your credential

 

[CARIIS]

I couldn't open the above linked re: FERPA…but here is the UC one

www.ucdenver.edu/life/services/BETA/Documents/FERPA Resources.pdf

I also found their withdrawal form, it's here: www.ucdenver.edu/student-services/resources/registrar/Documents/RegistrarForms/AMC/withdrawal.pdf

and it does say that "NOTE THAT YOU WILL NOT BE WITHDRAWN UNTIL THIS FORM IS SUBMITTED TO THE REGISTRAR’S OFFICE."

So, I think, "technically", he was still a student.

IMO, they did not worry about any of that until he became the biggest mass murdered since Cho, they all knew what had transpired early June , there was no rush to worry (except locking him out key card) noone would have known anything (nor really cared its paperwork) till July 20 ......................

 

[Nemont]

Word failed never used .... did not do well , when your the joker (and lots to do for th eopening of th epic your busy ) it is hard to pay attention to this stuff. James excels there not the Joker.

okay…the MEDIA has said repeatedly that he "failed" see 3 linked articles below indicating he "failed"

James Holmes Bought Rifle After Failing Oral Exam at University of Colorado

http://abcnews.go.com/US/james-holm...xam-university/story?id=16850268#.UB8jumDRf5s

Holmes Failed Preliminary Exam Before Withdrawing
www.vcstar.com/news/2012/jul/21/holmes-failed-preliminary-exam-withdrawing/

James Holmes bought assault rifle the same day he failed exam
www.nydailynews.com/news/national/j...y-failed-exam-article-1.1121463#ixzz22j9LI3yA


The UNIVERSITY has not said that he failed or acknowledged that he even took the test. IF someone has a quote from a source who would KNOW ie. either James himself, or someone from the Univ. whether or not he took the test and/or failed, I'd appreciate if they would post it.

 

[Liz]

why did they take his keycard passes?

TY! They were scared of him and threw him out on the street --- IMO.

It's not clear to me that JH's keycards were taken or turned in by him or neither. As in, maybe the locks were changed so that JH's keycard(s) no longer worked.

Specifically due to an article I'm recalling that quoted Dean Barry Shur, Anshutz, stating that JH never returned after June 10th. Found it:

In a news conference last week, CU Anschutz Medical Campus Graduate School Dean Barry Shur said Holmes dropped out of the CU Ph.D Neuroscience program on June 10.

"My understanding, he has not been back on campus where the program is since that time," he said last week.

 

[Liz]

Cause ya really dont withdraw , if there are problems, rare, peers would even help a colleague, in this kind of setting, you all are routing for each other, respecting one another, your an esttemed bright group, your all in and doing it !

It is a wonderfully collaborative experience - supportive. Happy for one antoher when each of us slam it !

Now if your father got run over by an airplane(!) everyone would work with you to be down for a semester and come back and excell and earn your credential

Maybe they were all tired of being overwhelmed by the smell of the gas fumes, JH could've been emitting. (You know, the ten gallons he 'allegedly' had in his apartment.) J/k, I think.

BTW, I've never heard of anyone being run over by an airplane.

 

[Nemont]

Liz…Keycards are simple programming…delete the card number from the system and it no longer works. No locks to change and if the card is not returned, no problem. Interesting about keycard, tho, is that it records when you use/swipe them. ie. when you enter/exit.

 

[Liz]

okay…the MEDIA has said repeatedly that he "failed" see 3 linked articles below indicating he "failed"

James Holmes Bought Rifle After Failing Oral Exam at University of Colorado

http://abcnews.go.com/US/james-holm...xam-university/story?id=16850268#.UB8jumDRf5s

Holmes Failed Preliminary Exam Before Withdrawing
www.vcstar.com/news/2012/jul/21/holmes-failed-preliminary-exam-withdrawing/

James Holmes bought assault rifle the same day he failed exam
www.nydailynews.com/news/national/james-holmes-bought-assault-rifle-day-failed-exam-article-1.1121463#ixzz22j9LI3yA


The UNIVERSITY has not said that he failed or acknowledged that he even took the test. IF someone has a quote from a source who would KNOW ie. either James himself, or someone from the Univ. whether or not he took the test and/or failed, I'd appreciate if they would post it.

Exactly, Nemont. Post #10 in the conflicting reports thread also alludes to this.

 

[CARIIS]

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