The Responsibilities of the University and Threat Assessment

[February]

It's not clear to me that JH's keycards were taken or turned in by him or neither. As in, maybe the locks were changed so that JH's keycard(s) no longer worked.

Specifically due to an article I'm recalling that quoted Dean Barry Shur, Anshutz, stating that JH never returned after June 10th. Found it:

Per some articles, he wrote the school an email that he's withdrawing, i wonder who will even process it on the 10th that is sunday, if he didnt come back on the 10th then how will he even submit any form to them and leave the withdrawal reason? Did he return the form by email? .

 

[February]

Brb...am mobile...will catch up later

 

[CARIIS]

Which makes all of em worse, just ignore him and discard him into the world....

 

[CARIIS]

As I understand it, he did submit the form. What he didn't list was the reason why he was quitting.

Admin says he did not say!

 

[CARIIS]

Maybe they were all tired of being overwhelmed by the smell of the gas fumes, JH could've been emitting. (You know, the ten gallons he 'allegedly' had in his apartment.) J/k, I think.

BTW, I've never heard of anyone being run over by an airplane.

I Do have ability to be a dash dramatic!

 

[CARIIS]

are all reporting the warnings signs given to a three member assessment team, indicating that Holmes was contemplating a mass murder. Ignoring the warnings is turning

http://www.examiner.com/article/jam...batman-shootings-people-ignored-warning-signs

Never heard a number on the team -- even more repulsive how hard in this day and age can it be to get two other people togetyer?

I had this image of it being lots of people that they had such a hard time doing it!

 

[HastingsChi]

are all reporting the warnings signs given to a three member assessment team, indicating that Holmes was contemplating a mass murder. Ignoring the warnings is turning

http://www.examiner.com/article/jam...batman-shootings-people-ignored-warning-signs

Never heard a number on the team -- even more repulsive how hard in this day and age can it be to get two other people togetyer?

I had this image of it being lots of people that they had such a hard time doing it!

The Examiner? Was a link from the Weekly World News unavailable?

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[CARIIS]

In most court cases, documents are available to the public, but Judge William Sylvester sealed the Holmes case on July 20 at the request of prosecutors. Major media organizations have asked the judge to unseal the documents, citing the public's right of access.

Sylvester has set a hearing for Thursday to decide whether to do so. He has asked prosecutors to respond to the motion by Monday and Holmes's lawyers by Thursday, according to an attorney for the media companies.

Boy would that be awesome if its opened up a bit !

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/05/us-usa-shooting-denver-rights-idUSBRE8740FF20120805

 

[CARIIS]

In their motion, the media companies argued that Sylvester's order "violates the public's constitutional right of access to the records of criminal prosecutions, and undermines our nation's firm commitment to the transparency and public accountability of the criminal justice system."

The Associated Press, ABC Inc, Bloomberg LP, The Denver Post, and The New York Times Co. Thomson Reuters was not part of the motion.
law and precedent require that judges start with the presumption that all court records should be open to the public, according to experts.

"You don't have a presumption of sealing," said Jonathan Sherman, ......."You have a presumption of openness."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/05/us-usa-shooting-denver-rights-idUSBRE8740FF20120805

 

[HastingsChi]

In their motion, the media companies argued that Sylvester's order "violates the public's constitutional right of access to the records of criminal prosecutions, and undermines our nation's firm commitment to the transparency and public accountability of the criminal justice system."

The Associated Press, ABC Inc, Bloomberg LP, The Denver Post, and The New York Times Co. Thomson Reuters was not part of the motion.
law and precedent require that judges start with the presumption that all court records should be open to the public, according to experts.

"You don't have a presumption of sealing," said Jonathan Sherman, ......."You have a presumption of openness."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/05/us-usa-shooting-denver-rights-idUSBRE8740FF20120805

Your last two posts belong in the media updates thread, NOT this thread. They have nothing to do with this topic.

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[CARIIS]

there is no easy way to go about knowing if the client or patient sitting across from you will one day be responsible for murdering a dozen people. It is, however, up to and the responsibility of the professional with close contact to read the signs, take every thought or expression seriously, and be aware that no disturbing hint or feeling should go ignored, because it could save lives.
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http://www.policymic.com/articles/1...warned-but-was-ignored-before-aurora-shooting

 

[rollinginit]

Well, lets say the Univ did get rid of JH and that JH's did not drop out. Or it could have even been a mutual agreement between both. Maybe the Univ suggested it and JH agreed or was forced to agree. That could have been the breaking point for him.???????

But for a univ to do that.....they must have heard and had proof of something.

Whatever happened....the Univ. acted fast with cutting his access off.

The school was warned in the "first 10 days of June" and he never returned after June 10th and he also happened to withdrawal on June 10th.????

Maybe that is why he doesn't have a reason written down for withdrawal. Couldn't the school have told him......."You need to withdraw for such and such reason. If you do, we won't mark your permanent record with why..we will just let you withdrawal"

Just MOO

 

[songline]

Well, lets say the Univ did get rid of JH and that JH's did not drop out. Or it could have even been a mutual agreement between both. Maybe the Univ suggested it and JH agreed or was forced to agree. That could have been the breaking point for him.???????

But for a univ to do that.....they must have heard and had proof of something.

Whatever happened....the Univ. acted fast with cutting his access off.

The school was warned in the "first 10 days of June" and he never returned after June 10th and he also happened to withdrawal on June 10th.????

Maybe that is why he doesn't have a reason written down for withdrawal. Couldn't the school have told him......."You need to withdraw for such and such reason. If you do, we won't mark your permanent record with why..we will just let you withdrawal"

Just MOO

Many good points especially that they cut his access off instantly.

 

[newsleuther]

Many good points especially that they cut his access off instantly.

In these days, access is cut off instantly with the click of a mouse. At my job, access is restricted immediately for every employee who leaves the company, or even goes on a leave of absence or medical leave, good circumstances or bad.

 

[newsleuther]

For all we know, Dr Fenton could have contacted police to try to initiate a 72 hour hold, and may not have been able to. They are not as easy to get as people assume, and generally the first step is having the patient taken to ER by police for assessment.

 

[jjenny]

In these days, access is cut off instantly with the click of a mouse. At my job, access is restricted immediately for every employee who leaves the company, or even goes on a leave of absence or medical leave, good circumstances or bad.

But you can only cut access to areas protected by key cards. College campuses are not like high school-they are multiple buildings and a lot of areas not protected by key cards.
If he really wanted to, removal key card access wouldn't have prevented him from going after the university.

 

[newsleuther]

But you can only cut access to areas protected by key cards. College campuses are not like high school-they are multiple buildings and a lot of areas not protected by key cards.
If he really wanted to, removal key card access wouldn't have prevented him from going after the university.

Absolutely. I'm just saying that it's not so suspicious that his access was quickly cut off.

 

[Liz]

IMO, the university wouldn't have provided him with enough targets. He's probably not all that great of a shot, when it comes down to it. JMO MOO

 

[21merc7]

IMO, the university wouldn't have provided him with enough targets. He's probably not all that great of a shot, when it comes down to it. JMO MOO

My thoughts exactly.

 

[jjenny]

Absolutely. I'm just saying that it's not so suspicious that his access was quickly cut off.

Agreed. It doesn't take long to remove his key card access. But in all likelihood that wouldn't have stopped him from going back on campus if he wanted to.