The Responsibilities of the University and Threat Assessment

[February]

IMO, the university wouldn't have provided him with enough targets. He's probably not all that great of a shot, when it comes down to it. JMO MOO

Not only that July 20 is - SUMMER Semester...it wont stop him but how many students will be in one room taking summer classes... he has to go room to room to more rooms to get more targets IMO..

Summer semester started June 4

 

[February]

But with this strict security and monitored doors, you think he can get in without the access card?

Can some parrots tell me where they will enter to get in?

http://www.ucdenver.edu/about/departments/FacilitiesManagement/Documents/AMC.pdf

The Electronic Security Department controls and monitors physical access for all CU Anschutz buildings and sites owned or leased for use by the University of Colorado Anschutz Medical Campus, via the installation and maintenance of electronic perimeter security devices, as well as through issuance of university identification badges/key-cards. In addition, we utilize our security system to help monitor research equipment.
http://www.ucdenver.edu/ABOUT/DEPAR...TYSERVICES/Pages/BadgingSecurityServices.aspx


Security Systems Services equips all exterior doors to all buildings with access control devices and/or door position monitoring; all buildings have, by default, at least one card-controlled door in its secure perimeter. We also install alarms, panic devices, CCTV monitoring and research equipment monitoring for research laboratories and other restricted zones adjacent to public areas within the same building.
http://www.ucdenver.edu/about/depar...es/SecuritySystems/Pages/SecuritySystems.aspx

http://www.ucdenver.edu/about/depar...rityServices/Documents/AccessCntrl-policy.pdf

 

[Liz]

Not only that July 20 is - SUMMER Semester...it wont stop him but how many students will be in one room taking summer classes... he has to go room to room to more rooms to get more targets IMO..

Summer semester started June 4

But the looming question isss, would he be able to get on campus and into the building?? :waitasec:

 

[newsleuther]

But with this strict security and monitored doors, you think he can get in without the access card?

Can some parrots tell me where they will enter to get in?

http://www.ucdenver.edu/about/departments/FacilitiesManagement/Documents/AMC.pdf

The Electronic Security Department controls and monitors physical access for all CU Anschutz buildings and sites owned or leased for use by the University of Colorado Anschutz Medical Campus, via the installation and maintenance of electronic perimeter security devices, as well as through issuance of university identification badges/key-cards. In addition, we utilize our security system to help monitor research equipment.
http://www.ucdenver.edu/ABOUT/DEPAR...TYSERVICES/Pages/BadgingSecurityServices.aspx

Security Systems Services equips all exterior doors to all buildings with access control devices and/or door position monitoring; all buildings have, by default, at least one card-controlled door in its secure perimeter. We also install alarms, panic devices, CCTV monitoring and research equipment monitoring for research laboratories and other restricted zones adjacent to public areas within the same building.
http://www.ucdenver.edu/about/depar...es/SecuritySystems/Pages/SecuritySystems.aspx

http://www.ucdenver.edu/about/depar...rityServices/Documents/AccessCntrl-policy.pdf

My school was the same way.

People would just hold the door for you and let you in.

 

[February]

My school was the same way.

People would just hold the door for you and let you in.

well isnt you believe he acted alone? so who is this people ( with access cards ) who will just hold the door for you?... Remember, they will be on the video monitor too ..

 

[February]

But the looming question isss, would he be able to get on campus and into the building?? :waitasec:

i dont know how look....

Security Systems Services equips all exterior doors to all buildings with access control devices and/or door position monitoring; all buildings have, by default, at least one card-controlled door in its secure perimeter. We also install alarms, panic devices, CCTV monitoring and research equipment monitoring for research laboratories and other restricted zones adjacent to public areas within the same building.


maybe some parrots will go fly up to the open window and open the door for him..IMO

 

[newsleuther]

well isnt you believe he acted alone? so who is this people ( with access cards ) who will just hold the door for you?... Remember, they will be on the video monitor too ..

I'm honestly not 100% sure he acted alone.

But, these people are other students. They see you running up to the door and hold it, or you say "damn I left my card" and they let you in. Happened on a daily basis at my school, quite common.

You've never had this happen at say, an ATM vestibule, at work, at your apartment building, at any place that is locked?

 

[rollinginit]

The University of Colorado has retained a private attorney to represent a campus police officer in connection with the events leading up to the July 20 massacre at an Aurora movie

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingn...es-attorneys-officer-psychiatrist-tied-holmes

They also got the attorney for Fenton.

 

[February]

I'm honestly not 100% sure he acted alone.

But, these people are other students. They see you running up to the door and hold it, or you say "damn I left my card" and they let you in. Happened on a daily basis at my school, quite common.

You've never had this happen at say, an ATM vestibule, at work, at your apartment building, at any place that is locked?

what's the percentage buddy 99.5 %? LOL

Do you think he will take that risk when he doesnt know how many people are really inside that room? He wants to kill as much as he wants --- that is obvious with the number of ammunition he bought.

JH went inside first to look around where he will throw that gas can and he will fire first IMO.
If you think he isnt insane, and he was planning it, then you will also believe the fact that he intentionally chose the location with many victims as much as his ammunition can be fired all at the same time IMO

 

[February]

The University of Colorado has retained a private attorney to represent a campus police officer in connection with the events leading up to the July 20 massacre at an Aurora movie

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingn...es-attorneys-officer-psychiatrist-tied-holmes

They also got the attorney for Fenton.

the university is providing Fenton with the lawyer? Bad idea for Fenton, she should get her own personal lawyer IMO.

wondering if we will hear next is the campus police contacted non-emergency LE and no one is answering.... remember one neighbor witness said that he tried to contact non-emergency LE but no one was answering

 

[songline]

In these days, access is cut off instantly with the click of a mouse. At my job, access is restricted immediately for every employee who leaves the company, or even goes on a leave of absence or medical leave, good circumstances or bad.

I believe they knew he was a threat to himself and or others.
I believe it was handled irresponsibly
I believe they are all squirming and will shift stories to fluff it.
I do not believe for one second that he started to unravel and unraveled to that degree from June on. NOP...NOP.
In my mind and heart, I know they knew....


It is not as if he was sitting home with his mom when it happened.
He spent a year with people specializing in PSYCO Behavior.

Could he have been conning and manipulating - yes
could he have never made a verbal threat - yes
But they can tell when someone begins to unravel, and keeps on unraveling.

When she went to the cop she should have dialed 911 and get an ambulance too.
And I only took about one year of courses. I KNOW...

 

[rollinginit]

"Lone-wolf terrorists are extremely intelligent and often come from very good socio-economic backgrounds," said Todd McGhee, a former Massachusetts state trooper who is now managing partner of Protecting the Homeland Innovations, a security training firm in Braintree, Mass.
"But they become despondent. They become isolated from family members. Then they grab on to an ideology. Some people find religion. Some people find anti-government," he said.
There is no doubt the accused shooter knew the theater well, McGhee said.
"He had a level of comfort to walk in to the theater. He had been there before. He knew the layout."
He planned his attack well enough to create what is called "a fatal funnel." When people hunker down to avoid bullets, he throws the tear gas to flush them out and shoots them when they do.
But, he said, Holmes took his attack one step further.
"His mission wasn't to end it right there at the movie theater," McGhee says. "There was a part B to this attack."
Part B was the booby-trapped apartment.
"He can see what he was a part of," McGhee said. "He can view the response. This is what his claim to fame would be."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-07-20/colorado-shooting-holmes/56373668/1

 

[rollinginit]

Above my link above....sorry, I am on iPad so it is hard to copy paste. If you click on the article, it is very long, but people that know jh talk about him. The neighbor also talks about the mother sending him to co bc he couldn't find work in his field.

 

[i.b.nora]

From the Denver Post article:

"The university also has retained Denver attorneys Jane Mitchell and Richard Murray to represent Dr. Fenton.
"When university employees are involved in a legal process, we regularly retain counsel for them even when their actions are entirely appropriate so that they can have independent legal advice," O'Rourke told The Denver Post on Tuesday."

Read more: CU hires attorneys for officer, psychiatrist tied to Holmes - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/breakingn...hiatrist-tied-holmes?refresh=no#ixzz22u8XmmQD

So, two attorneys for Dr. Fenton.

 

[Liz]

"But, these people are other students. They see you running up to the door and hold it, or you say "damn I left my card" and they let you in. Happened on a daily basis at my school, quite common."

Brilliant! I'm sure that would've worked. "Excuse me but would you mind holding that door? I left my key card! I was preoccupied trying not to forget any of my assault weapons and beau coup ammunition plus other shooting paraphenalia! And maybe you can give me a hand while you're at it!"

:what: LOL!

 

[HastingsChi]

From the Denver Post article:

"The university also has retained Denver attorneys Jane Mitchell and Richard Murray to represent Dr. Fenton.
"When university employees are involved in a legal process, we regularly retain counsel for them even when their actions are entirely appropriate so that they can have independent legal advice," O'Rourke told The Denver Post on Tuesday."

Read more: CU hires attorneys for officer, psychiatrist tied to Holmes - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/breakingn...hiatrist-tied-holmes?refresh=no#ixzz22u8XmmQD

So, two attorneys for Dr. Fenton.

Why would Fenton accept legal representation provided by the University? It's pretty clear to me that the first leak about Fenton's concerns and her failure to take immediate action regarding said concerns came from the University to paint her as the scapegoat. It's obvious that the latest leak came from someone in Fenton's camp to begin to rehabilitate her public image. She's a silly goose if she takes university representation...

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[February]

"But, these people are other students. They see you running up to the door and hold it, or you say "damn I left my card" and they let you in. Happened on a daily basis at my school, quite common."

Brilliant! I'm sure that would've worked. "Excuse me but would you mind holding that door? I left my key card! I was preoccupied trying not to forget any of my assault weapons and beau coup ammunition plus other shooting paraphenalia! And maybe you can give me a hand while you're at it!"

:what: LOL!

Not only that,... you'll be waiting outside the door , hoping a student come by, with your GAS MASK on, orange hair, all black shooting gear LMAO.....are u gonna smile on that video camera too? LMAO

 

[February]

Dont forget LIZ , you are on Vicodin too HAHAHAHAHAH!

 

[Liz]

Dont forget LIZ , you are on Vicodin too HAHAHAHAHAH!

I forgot the cs gas filled hand grenades! And, my combat outfit and gear!
Damn! Must be the meds! :great:

 

[Liz]

Not only that,... you'll be waiting outside the door , hoping a student come by, with your GAS MASK on, orange hair, all black shooting gear LMAO.....are u gonna smile on that video camera too? LMAO

Oh I'm sure no one would even notice! Just your every day, normal neuroscience doctoral candidate! :hills:

Beam me up scotty! :ufo: