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The Responsibilities of the University and Threat Assessment
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Starting to sound like they ran to lock those doors, but he wasn't officially not a student. Or it just sounds that way now. :shush:
I just (I got so much heat here re MI until Fenton angle broke! whihc is ok debate is great!) but this kid has been so sick, for so long IMO)
YOu know who has ALL the answers MOM, not the court not the docs Mom! She has lived with her sick child since birth!
Stress is like putting bleach on a cut, BUT the cut is already there in this instance
Without infereing anything MOM does hold the answers. I still question if this were a long time pre-existing MI and whether that was adequately conveyed and passed on to the uni and Fenton? Did they know what they were dealing with and the potential repercussions?
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Ok I really, really, really hope that I am just misunderstanding, confused, and/or not reading/comprehending correctly.. Am I understanding correctly that the University HAS ALREADY(as in it is already a task well under way)hired Colorado's former Atty General to do an "internal investigation" ala Penn State/Freeh Report???!?!!..
There is an internal investigation taking place as we speak at the University of Colorado Anschultz on all issues concerning and surrounding the shooter, the staff, their BETA team, procedures and processes and were all followed properly as far as both ethically and legally????... Is this correct???
And am I understanding that Dr. Fenton has not yet even been interviewed by neither Aurora LE, nor the FBi, and to date nary a one of her notes, documents, or any other paperwork pertaining to the shooter has been subpoenaed????... NONE OF THESE INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT AND EXTREMELY RELEVANT PROCEDURES HAVE YET BEEN DONE???
Yet the former Attorney General for the state of Colorado has already been retained, briefed, and is already on site in Aurora, CO at the University undertaking the task of "internal investigation" of the University of Colorado Anschultz, paid for by the University of Colorado???.. A former Atty General is presently with full, unfettered access to ALL CRUCIAL EVIDENCE RELATING TO THE MASS MURDERER THAT WAS THEIR STUDENT, PATIENT, etc???.. The crucial evidence that will at some point be used in a United States Court of Criminal Law when the state vs. Holmes goes to trial on 142 felony, criminal charges???.. The very evidence and witnesses that IMO should be first and foremost properly taken into custody(the evidence) and fully debriefed and thoroughly interviewed(the witnesses from the Univ) by LE/FBI Investigators..
All of that crucial evidence and witness accounts and testimony is presently NOT BEING interviewed, subpoenaed, and *held in states evidence by an LE official????... But much much different it is in the hands of an Attorney who is being paid directly by the University themselves to investigate all of this evidence/witnesses that IMO should be NOWHERE EXCEPT in the direct hands of LE officials.. The University is paying an outside now private atty(former CO Atty General) to "uncover" any illegal, unethical blunders, mistakes, and errs that quite possibly led to 12 citizens slaughtered and 58 shot and severely wounded(not to mention the hundreds, better yet thousands that the ripple effect will have majorly impacted their lives in a very real, very negative way).. This private atty who is hired by the University.. The very same University who "possibly" made egregious errors that were both illegal and unethical..?????
Just what in the hell is going on there??? Who in the hell is in charge and calling the shots there???.. Is it the LE/FBI calling the shots as it should be???. ..or is it this one and the same University of Colorado that is fully in charge and calling all the shots there when we are talking matters that are very much meant to be discovered and presented in a court of criminal law???..
I am very, very confused and I am very, very hopeful that someone/anyone will quickly jump in here and tell me that I am very much overreacting and that it is not at all how I have described above and that I am way off base, misinformed, and have completely misunderstood this altogether.. I'm praying that the case is that I'm waaaay wrong and it's nothing of the sort that at this moment I'm freaking out believing it to be.,
Could someone/anyone be so kind as to dummy it on down for me as to what exactly is going on presently??!??
TIA
There is an internal investigation taking place as we speak at the University of Colorado Anschultz on all issues concerning and surrounding the shooter, the staff, their BETA team, procedures and processes and were all followed properly as far as both ethically and legally????... Is this correct???
And am I understanding that Dr. Fenton has not yet even been interviewed by neither Aurora LE, nor the FBi, and to date nary a one of her notes, documents, or any other paperwork pertaining to the shooter has been subpoenaed????... NONE OF THESE INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT AND EXTREMELY RELEVANT PROCEDURES HAVE YET BEEN DONE???
Yet the former Attorney General for the state of Colorado has already been retained, briefed, and is already on site in Aurora, CO at the University undertaking the task of "internal investigation" of the University of Colorado Anschultz, paid for by the University of Colorado???.. A former Atty General is presently with full, unfettered access to ALL CRUCIAL EVIDENCE RELATING TO THE MASS MURDERER THAT WAS THEIR STUDENT, PATIENT, etc???.. The crucial evidence that will at some point be used in a United States Court of Criminal Law when the state vs. Holmes goes to trial on 142 felony, criminal charges???.. The very evidence and witnesses that IMO should be first and foremost properly taken into custody(the evidence) and fully debriefed and thoroughly interviewed(the witnesses from the Univ) by LE/FBI Investigators..
All of that crucial evidence and witness accounts and testimony is presently NOT BEING interviewed, subpoenaed, and *held in states evidence by an LE official????... But much much different it is in the hands of an Attorney who is being paid directly by the University themselves to investigate all of this evidence/witnesses that IMO should be NOWHERE EXCEPT in the direct hands of LE officials.. The University is paying an outside now private atty(former CO Atty General) to "uncover" any illegal, unethical blunders, mistakes, and errs that quite possibly led to 12 citizens slaughtered and 58 shot and severely wounded(not to mention the hundreds, better yet thousands that the ripple effect will have majorly impacted their lives in a very real, very negative way).. This private atty who is hired by the University.. The very same University who "possibly" made egregious errors that were both illegal and unethical..?????
Just what in the hell is going on there??? Who in the hell is in charge and calling the shots there???.. Is it the LE/FBI calling the shots as it should be???. ..or is it this one and the same University of Colorado that is fully in charge and calling all the shots there when we are talking matters that are very much meant to be discovered and presented in a court of criminal law???..
I am very, very confused and I am very, very hopeful that someone/anyone will quickly jump in here and tell me that I am very much overreacting and that it is not at all how I have described above and that I am way off base, misinformed, and have completely misunderstood this altogether.. I'm praying that the case is that I'm waaaay wrong and it's nothing of the sort that at this moment I'm freaking out believing it to be.,
Could someone/anyone be so kind as to dummy it on down for me as to what exactly is going on presently??!??
TIA
I haven't heard anything suggesting anyone noticed anything unusual about him prior to graduate school to indicate that he had a long time pre-existing MI. He did very well as an undergraduate student and got into the graduate school. The graduate school, I am sure, interviewed him prior to admission. This is a very competitive program. If he showed up looking like a potted plan, I don't think they would have admitted him. Except being quiet, nobody said they noticed anything unusual as far as I know, and being quiet is not a specific sign of MI.
I found this conference room schedule
www.ucdenver.edu/academics/colleges...logy/calendar/Pages/Large ConferenceRoom.aspx
Perhaps the reason they cancelled his keycard on the 12th is because of the monthly Neuroscience Directors meeting @ 8:30 or the Center Directors meeting from 1:00 - 2:00 pm (which is not a weekly/monthly event).
www.ucdenver.edu/academics/colleges...logy/calendar/Pages/Large ConferenceRoom.aspx
Perhaps the reason they cancelled his keycard on the 12th is because of the monthly Neuroscience Directors meeting @ 8:30 or the Center Directors meeting from 1:00 - 2:00 pm (which is not a weekly/monthly event).
It's baaack! Maybe someone else already noticed and I missed it, but the UC Neuroscience website isn't password protected anymore.
http://www.ucdenver.edu/academics/c...grams/Neuroscience/Program/Pages/default.aspx
http://www.ucdenver.edu/academics/c...grams/Neuroscience/Program/Pages/default.aspx
Neuroscience Grad Program Admissions FAQ:
http://www.ucdenver.edu/academics/c...grams/Neuroscience/Admissions/Pages/FAQs.aspx
3 DAY interview is required...
4 Letters of Rec...
http://www.ucdenver.edu/academics/c...grams/Neuroscience/Admissions/Pages/FAQs.aspx
3 DAY interview is required...
4 Letters of Rec...
Summer semester Optional:
http://www.ucdenver.edu/academics/c...Neuroscience/Curriculum/Pages/First_Year.aspx
Neuroscience Student Handbook
http://www.ucdenver.edu/academics/c...urriculum/Documents/NRSC_Handbook_2012_v2.pdf
http://www.ucdenver.edu/academics/c...urriculum/Documents/NRSC_Handbook_2012_v2.pdf
That one was revised July 2012 and is quite different from this one Rev. 2008
www.ucdenver.edu/academics/colleges...science/Curriculum/Documents/nsp_handbook.pdf
Sorry for all the posts...but Handbook (REVISED 2012 July) again:
5. Academic Standards for Neuroscience Graduate Students.
Applicants to the Graduate Program in Neuroscience are highly screened and rigorously evaluated for their potential to become creative and independent scientists. This means that each student in the Program was admitted with the Faculty’s full confidence in their ability to complete training requirements for the Ph.D. Thus, the Program does not operate to weed out students during training. Rather, we regard any dismissal or withdrawal as a serious detriment to the success of our program, and a situation that we will do our best to avoid. However, it infrequently happens that a student will fail to satisfy the Program standards and expectation for academic performance. Given the importance and intensely competitive nature of biomedical research, as well as our commitment to the future of our students, such instances invoke serious concern from the Program. Students should be assured that in an initial instance of failure the Program will do its best to help the student to remediate failure. However, multiple deficiencies indicate a poor prognosis for future success and demand close examination of a student’s tenure in the Program. The GTC is charged with maintaining the academic standards and with evaluating the ability of students to continue with the training in cases of failure. The Academic Standards of the Program are described below, as well as the procedures used by the GTC to deal with performance deficiencies.
5. Academic Standards for Neuroscience Graduate Students.
Applicants to the Graduate Program in Neuroscience are highly screened and rigorously evaluated for their potential to become creative and independent scientists. This means that each student in the Program was admitted with the Faculty’s full confidence in their ability to complete training requirements for the Ph.D. Thus, the Program does not operate to weed out students during training. Rather, we regard any dismissal or withdrawal as a serious detriment to the success of our program, and a situation that we will do our best to avoid. However, it infrequently happens that a student will fail to satisfy the Program standards and expectation for academic performance. Given the importance and intensely competitive nature of biomedical research, as well as our commitment to the future of our students, such instances invoke serious concern from the Program. Students should be assured that in an initial instance of failure the Program will do its best to help the student to remediate failure. However, multiple deficiencies indicate a poor prognosis for future success and demand close examination of a student’s tenure in the Program. The GTC is charged with maintaining the academic standards and with evaluating the ability of students to continue with the training in cases of failure. The Academic Standards of the Program are described below, as well as the procedures used by the GTC to deal with performance deficiencies.
LOL public again after they possibly edited it?
Site webmaster will be one of the witnesses IMO...
What's the differences?
In addition to the above, it also has all the students and faculty listed at the bottom. ie. they revised it July 2012 so that you can't find who his classmates are. I couldn't find anything after Dr. Fenton. ie. 2009. Also, I think she was a Director - so I think she should have been at the Directors meeting on the 12th...
Angie Ribera, director of the graduate program in neuroscience and one of several university administrators who spoke with The Post on Friday on the condition that they would not discuss Holmes specifically, said the program in recent years has received about 60 completed applications annually.
The program accepts six students each year, and in some cases they receive funding from the National Institutes of Health. Holmes was accepted into the program and received the funding.
"They need to be the top students that have been admitted," said Diego Restrepo, co-director of the university's Center for NeuroScience, who oversees the NIH training grant.
By all accounts, the handful of students who do gain passage into the program each year find themselves in an engaging but demanding environment. The program's first-year curriculum consists of a set of core class work, as well as three lab rotations intended to help them discover a long-term focus for their research.
"We expect our students to be passionate and to persevere. . . . We expect 150 percent of their intellectual and emotional commitment into that research project," said Barry Shur, dean of the university's graduate school. "It's intense, but there should be passion driving that intensity."
University officials estimated Friday that 10 percent of students drop out of the doctoral program, usually in their first year.
"There are some students that it's just not a right fit," Shur said. "And to force them to stay would be counterproductive."
It remains unclear why Holmes had decided to leave the program in June. But university officials said it would not have been because he failed the hour-long oral exam that all first-year students must take, as some have suggested.
"We don't really grade this exam pass-fail," Ribera said. "Either we tell the student 'No problem,' or we say, 'We notice that there were deficiencies in this area.' Then the chair of the graduate training committee talks to the student and together they come up with a plan to address that deficiency."
Despite the rigorous requirements and high expectations that the first-year neuroscience students face challenges common to similar programs throughout the country the officials insisted that the neuroscience doctoral candidates are a tight-knit, collegial group.
"They support each other," Ribera said. "They are remarkably close and supportive."
http://www.oregonlive.com/newsflash...trist-before/cbe629769f38fde555ff50c55141b857
The program accepts six students each year, and in some cases they receive funding from the National Institutes of Health. Holmes was accepted into the program and received the funding.
"They need to be the top students that have been admitted," said Diego Restrepo, co-director of the university's Center for NeuroScience, who oversees the NIH training grant.
By all accounts, the handful of students who do gain passage into the program each year find themselves in an engaging but demanding environment. The program's first-year curriculum consists of a set of core class work, as well as three lab rotations intended to help them discover a long-term focus for their research.
"We expect our students to be passionate and to persevere. . . . We expect 150 percent of their intellectual and emotional commitment into that research project," said Barry Shur, dean of the university's graduate school. "It's intense, but there should be passion driving that intensity."
University officials estimated Friday that 10 percent of students drop out of the doctoral program, usually in their first year.
"There are some students that it's just not a right fit," Shur said. "And to force them to stay would be counterproductive."
It remains unclear why Holmes had decided to leave the program in June. But university officials said it would not have been because he failed the hour-long oral exam that all first-year students must take, as some have suggested.
"We don't really grade this exam pass-fail," Ribera said. "Either we tell the student 'No problem,' or we say, 'We notice that there were deficiencies in this area.' Then the chair of the graduate training committee talks to the student and together they come up with a plan to address that deficiency."
Despite the rigorous requirements and high expectations that the first-year neuroscience students face challenges common to similar programs throughout the country the officials insisted that the neuroscience doctoral candidates are a tight-knit, collegial group.
"They support each other," Ribera said. "They are remarkably close and supportive."
http://www.oregonlive.com/newsflash...trist-before/cbe629769f38fde555ff50c55141b857
Holmes Failed Preliminary Exam Before Withdrawing
A man accused in a mass shooting at a Colorado theater that killed 12 people and injured 58 more failed a preliminary exam before pulling out of the neurosciences program at Colorado University.
7News' Keli Rabon was told that Holmes would not have been kicked out of the program, because students have an opportunity to improve their performance in the oral exam.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/31292454/detail.html
so which one is true.... he failed or not? was this graded or not?
is this a key oral exam that will decide if he needs to continue the program or not?
A man accused in a mass shooting at a Colorado theater that killed 12 people and injured 58 more failed a preliminary exam before pulling out of the neurosciences program at Colorado University.
7News' Keli Rabon was told that Holmes would not have been kicked out of the program, because students have an opportunity to improve their performance in the oral exam.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/31292454/detail.html
so which one is true.... he failed or not? was this graded or not?
is this a key oral exam that will decide if he needs to continue the program or not?
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