GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 8 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 5 hung re attempted #38

[Parker Knoll]

The Guardian are YET again trying to muddy the waters with this disgraceful hit piece.
Do you not think Ben Myers would have been all over this at trial ?
He took voluntary erasure - unsurprisingly as he was in his 70s after all.
It’s noise from her desperate PR and “ supporters “

 

[Sweeper2000]

How can people not be troubled by the fact that one of the prosecution's key witnesses was himself under investigation for harming patients? Yet, the jury was never informed that it was advised nor were they informed that the tribunal had concluded that Hindmarsh's ability to serve as an expert witness was compromised by the allegations against him. That's a problem.

Letby had horrible legal representation, and I don't know what to think of the poor work they did. I find it baffling. Almost as baffling as a hospital that allowing numerous babies to be murdered at their facility by an individual they employ but believe to be a killer.

I know nothing about what you say about hindmarsh so cant comment. Post with links if you would. I must assume the court found it not relevant though or perhaps not quite that way if you get my drift.

On her legal representation i genuinely think the best possible was done for her and that says something by itself.

It was also the case that she was able to carry on precisely because it was not a hospital or a singular entity that was in charge, it was as all broader organisations are which is subsets of individuals and groups in this case the "management" vs the "doctors". There are always power systems at play, very unfortunately in this case one more powerful one that enabled letby.

 

[WaneLyrical]

Why would the prosecution take the chance though? It’s the most important case of their careers, the worst modern day serial killer of children in this country.

Why would they risk the entire trial by using: a man whose judgment was criticised by another judge; a woman with dozens of conduct complaints; a man whose expert testimony helped convict Angela Cannings; and a Great Ormond Street expert who was actually under restriction by the GMC.

Surely if the medical evidence against Letby is sound, it would have been easy for them to find less controversial experts?

 

[Sweeper2000]

Nobody is perfect its true. One thing against dr evans isnt substantial. Dr bohin was pretty damn close to perfect and had the full backing and support of her practice which does mean she was doing a good job and probably thst the complaints were unsubstantiated, roy meadows is a more nuanced thing in that his work hasnt been discredited but it was new learnings in science and medicine meaning its incomplete and thus when applied to something like law and medicine all the things not known have to be learned. Its like "meadows law" its applying concrete totality to something that isnt numeric in nature in essence a totalitarian answer applied to incomplete subjects like cause and effect in orher words "meadows law" isnt a law at all,just like chaotic war and a often less clear justice system in that mistakes will happen. And come on a gt ormond street doctor? To even get there you have to be of quite a serious level of proficiency.

 

[May72031]

How can people not be troubled by the fact that one of the prosecution's key witnesses was himself under investigation for harming patients?

Do you know what the investigation was about?

 

[Jules2021]

It's comments like this that suggests a retrial is in order.


The most notable revelation comes not from the police, but from one of the Chester hospital consultants, Dr John Gibbs.

“I live with two guilts,” he says. “Guilt that we let the babies down, and tiny, tiny, tiny guilt: did we get the wrong person? You know, just in case: a miscarriage of justice. I don’t think there was a miscarriage of justice, but you worry that no one actually saw her do it.”

Lucy Letby documentary reveals first admission of ‘tiny’ doubt from doctors who accused her

Netflix film revisits evidence that led to Letby’s conviction and hears from expert who says his research was misused

www.theguardian.com

He's still saying there was a serial killer though isn't he? So if you're using that comment as some sort of "gotcha" you'd have to acknowledge he still thinks all the evidence points towards deliberate harm not just poor care. I expect he has to wrestle with whether it's Lucy or not because she's been sent down for life. When you look at all the evidence it can ONLY be her, and if it was someone else we'd know by now because they wouldn't stop killing and there wouldn't be just one death in 7 years since she was removed. I'm disappointed he's bought into the whole "no one saw her do it" though, it's such a nonsensical argument.

JMO