The Responsibilities of the University and Threat Assessment

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Do you guys think some famous lawyer will soon come forward to represent
( pro-bono ) JH and the families of many victims?

Yes. Don't know who yet. He/She has to be licensed in Colorado, right?

 

[Nemont]

Holmes Failed Preliminary Exam Before Withdrawing
A man accused in a mass shooting at a Colorado theater that killed 12 people and injured 58 more failed a preliminary exam before pulling out of the neurosciences program at Colorado University.
7News' Keli Rabon was told that Holmes would not have been kicked out of the program, because students have an opportunity to improve their performance in the oral exam.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/31292454/detail.html


so which one is true.... he failed or not? was this graded or not?
is this a key oral exam that will decide if he needs to continue the program or not?

Everything I've read says he "failed" but doesn't say why…could he have been a "no show" with "no excuse" (no-show = automatic fail?)

 

[February]

Everything I've read says he "failed" but doesn't say why…could he have been a "no show" with "no excuse" (no-show = automatic fail?)

He took the oral exam per all the media sites
But we wouldnt know if he failed or pass since according to one news above from Ribiera, they dont grade this as pass or fail

... ...IMO all of a sudden , a change of grading system? when did the changes start since on their 2008 handbook there was a grading system...... cant wait to hear from other students IMO...

 

[waitin'4thewrld2chg]

Contrast: 2008 Handbook


2012 Handbook

According to this source, the test went from being a two-part open book exam administered on two different days to a one-day oral exam lasting 45-60 minutes.


Testing of neurobiology is mentioned in both the 2008 and 2012 manuals as being part of the end of the first year prelim exam, but structure, cell and molecular biology are covered in the 2008 exam only.

 

[jjenny]

Are there any books between 2008 and 2012 to see when the exam structure changed? Neither of these exams sounds very difficult. Open books means they could use books in 2008 to answer. How hard can it be? And in 2012, they weren't even graded.

 

[Nemont]

He took the oral exam per all the media sites
But we wouldnt know if he failed or pass since according to one news above from Ribiera, they dont grade this as pass or fail

... ...IMO all of a sudden , a change of grading system? when did the changes start since on their 2008 handbook there was a grading system...... cant wait to hear from other students IMO...

But where did the info come from? Who told the media that he failed? I can't seem to remember…ie. I have this from www.pe.com/local-news/breaking-news...ng-ucr-graduate-brings-unwanted-attention.ece

Excerpt:
University of Colorado officials confirmed Holmes enrolled last year in a neuroscience Ph.D. program at the Denver campus, but was in the process of completing withdrawal papers. School officials didn't provide a reason.
University spokeswoman Jacque Montgomery told the Associated Press that first-year students must take a three-part exam at the end of the academic year to move on in the program, but she didn't know whether Holmes had completed the exam or not. As part of the program, Holmes was listed as making a presentation in May about Micro DNA Biomarkers in a class named “Biological Basis of Psychiatric and Neurological Disorders.”


It's dated 7/21/12, ... if a UC spokeswoman didn't know whether or not he had completed the exam, but already knew he was withdrawing and the subject of his presentation in May, then who told the media he failed the exam? All I can remember is "it has been reported" that he took the oral exam and failed. Do you remember/know who told the media that he had taken the exam and failed?

 

[February]

But where did the info come from? Who told the media that he failed? I can't seem to remember…ie. I have this from www.pe.com/local-news/breaking-news...ng-ucr-graduate-brings-unwanted-attention.ece

Excerpt:
University of Colorado officials confirmed Holmes enrolled last year in a neuroscience Ph.D. program at the Denver campus, but was in the process of completing withdrawal papers. School officials didn't provide a reason.
University spokeswoman Jacque Montgomery told the Associated Press that first-year students must take a three-part exam at the end of the academic year to move on in the program, but she didn't know whether Holmes had completed the exam or not. As part of the program, Holmes was listed as making a presentation in May about Micro DNA Biomarkers in a class named “Biological Basis of Psychiatric and Neurological Disorders.”


It's dated 7/21/12, ... if a UC spokeswoman didn't know whether or not he had taken the exam, but already knew he was withdrawing and the subject of his presentation in May, then who told the media he failed the exam? All I can remember is "it has been reported" that he took the oral exam and failed. Do you remember/know who told the media that he had taken the exam and failed?

I agree with you and i think it is all "sources" who mentioned that he failed.

BBM
Majority of the media mentioned June 7, 2012 and very seldom on May 2012 as the actual presentation. May 2012 seems to be more plausible for me because per Academic Calendar, they have to give final grades by May 23. all IMO.


Here is their academic calendar
http://www.ucdenver.edu/student-ser...dars/amc/GraduateSchool/GradSchool2011-12.pdf


and look at this : Classes ended in May - what is he doing an oral exam on June 7... Summer Semester started on June 4

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443295404577543400613112424.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
When classes ended in May, the students were required to pass a first-year test referred to as the "prelims." The school said students had to stand before three professors and answer questions.

Shortly after the tests were done, the classmate said, a neuroscience administrator took the group for drinks to tell them Mr. Holmes had dropped out. The administrator said she received a short resignation email from Mr. Holmes that didn't explain why. Some assumed he had gone back to California.

 

[21merc7]

From this article......I take it to mean that JH was NOT formally discharged as a student.....so I guess that means he means he was still a student at the UNIV.




BBM me
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout...ndling-james-holmes-withdrawal-205251926.html

Catching up here.

If the form to drop out never made it to Shur's desk, why did they take his keycard passes? Who is Shur? If the proper person did not have the form, is this why it is stated "in the process of dropping out"? Who had the form? I hope they have the email about quitting.

 

[DeadCat]

And what does this withdrawal form look like anyway? I don't see it on the web or mentioned in the process.
http://www.ucdenver.edu/student-ser...AidProcess/Pages/WithdrawingFinancialAid.aspx

 

[rollinginit]

And what does this withdrawal form look like anyway? I don't see it on the web or mentioned in the process.
http://www.ucdenver.edu/student-ser...AidProcess/Pages/WithdrawingFinancialAid.aspx

This is listed under "types of withdraws"

Types of Withdrawals:
•Official: The student notifies the university that they will cease to be enrolled prior to the end of the standard term.
•Unofficial: Identified as Title IV (federal) aid recipients who received all “F” or combination of “F” and “W” grades for the term.

 

[DeadCat]

I saw that. They have a lot of info on the Registrar's webpage and a link on the left to Forms, but I don't see one for withdrawal or even a reference to turning in a specific form on the Procedure for Withdrawal. I was just curious what info was requested on the form. The college (or some anonymous source) said he'd left the reason for withdrawal blank.

 

[CARIIS]

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[CARIIS]

It's baaack! Maybe someone else already noticed and I missed it, but the UC Neuroscience website isn't password protected anymore.

http://www.ucdenver.edu/academics/c...grams/Neuroscience/Program/Pages/default.aspx

Any notions why it is yanked in the first place hummmmmm!!!!!!!!!!

 

[CARIIS]

BBM
Are you kidddding me!?
I had a feeling that this may be the case!

Lost access June 10th, eh?
The ever-changing facts and information!

Thanks, Rolling!

JMO, of course.

RE:
a form that requires his advisers' and the dean's signatures.
Shur said that Holmes had not filled out the portion of the form that asks for a reason for withdrawal
C The form never made it to Shur's desk

For the first 72 hours admin danced with vol withdraw / turn off key card SOP

My goodness, it sounds to me like they took his "keys" to the office away before the resignation letter read HA!

IMO, they were scared of him

 

[CARIIS]

Without infereing anything MOM does hold the answers. I still question if this were a long time pre-existing MI and whether that was adequately conveyed and passed on to the uni and Fenton? Did they know what they were dealing with and the potential repercussions?

question if this were a long time pre-existing MI

IMO:
since fertilization!

 

[CARIIS]

Ok I really, really, really hope that I am just misunderstanding, confused, and/or not reading/comprehending correctly.. Am I understanding correctly that the University HAS ALREADY(as in it is already a task well under way)hired Colorado's former Atty General to do an "internal investigation" ala Penn State/Freeh Report???!?!!..

There is an internal investigation taking place as we speak at the University of Colorado Anschultz on all issues concerning and surrounding the shooter, the staff, their BETA team, procedures and processes and were all followed properly as far as both ethically and legally????... Is this correct???

And am I understanding that Dr. Fenton has not yet even been interviewed by neither Aurora LE, nor the FBi, and to date nary a one of her notes, documents, or any other paperwork pertaining to the shooter has been subpoenaed????... NONE OF THESE INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT AND EXTREMELY RELEVANT PROCEDURES HAVE YET BEEN DONE???

Yet the former Attorney General for the state of Colorado has already been retained, briefed, and is already on site in Aurora, CO at the University undertaking the task of "internal investigation" of the University of Colorado Anschultz, paid for by the University of Colorado???.. A former Atty General is presently with full, unfettered access to ALL CRUCIAL EVIDENCE RELATING TO THE MASS MURDERER THAT WAS THEIR STUDENT, PATIENT, etc???.. The crucial evidence that will at some point be used in a United States Court of Criminal Law when the state vs. Holmes goes to trial on 142 felony, criminal charges???.. The very evidence and witnesses that IMO should be first and foremost properly taken into custody(the evidence) and fully debriefed and thoroughly interviewed(the witnesses from the Univ) by LE/FBI Investigators..

All of that crucial evidence and witness accounts and testimony is presently NOT BEING interviewed, subpoenaed, and *held in states evidence by an LE official????... But much much different it is in the hands of an Attorney who is being paid directly by the University themselves to investigate all of this evidence/witnesses that IMO should be NOWHERE EXCEPT in the direct hands of LE officials.. The University is paying an outside now private atty(former CO Atty General) to "uncover" any illegal, unethical blunders, mistakes, and errs that quite possibly led to 12 citizens slaughtered and 58 shot and severely wounded(not to mention the hundreds, better yet thousands that the ripple effect will have majorly impacted their lives in a very real, very negative way).. This private atty who is hired by the University.. The very same University who "possibly" made egregious errors that were both illegal and unethical..?????

Just what in the hell is going on there??? Who in the hell is in charge and calling the shots there???.. Is it the LE/FBI calling the shots as it should be???. ..or is it this one and the same University of Colorado that is fully in charge and calling all the shots there when we are talking matters that are very much meant to be discovered and presented in a court of criminal law???..

I am very, very confused and I am very, very hopeful that someone/anyone will quickly jump in here and tell me that I am very much overreacting and that it is not at all how I have described above and that I am way off base, misinformed, and have completely misunderstood this altogether.. I'm praying that the case is that I'm waaaay wrong and it's nothing of the sort that at this moment I'm freaking out believing it to be.,

Could someone/anyone be so kind as to dummy it on down for me as to what exactly is going on presently??!??

TIA

Just what in the hell is going on there???
Very dissapponited you did not read my recipe! HA Kidding ya. Everyone is getting ready I visualize a boxing ring with 12 corners
corner 1 lawyers and Dr Fen
next corner lawyers and admin
next corner lawyers and 1 Beta team member

next corner lawyers and 1 Beta team member
next corner lawyers and 1 Beta team member
next corner lawyers anda facuility member
next corner lawyers and his mentor

etc

all a dance and I think the judge is gonna take forever to go through privildeged commun, informed consent, duty to warn etc F O R E V E R

 

[DeadCat]

I visualize a boxing ring with 12 corners

You might be right. There will be a lot of folks with different interests here and a big blame game. JH and company will want to put blame on University, Fenton, BETA team, theater...Each will try to place blame on the other players in turn. I wonder how long it will take the uni to make Fenton or BETA team their scapegoat....

 

[CARIIS]

Great post, now a lot of folks , hopefully, will understand that the admin declaration that he went poof and vol withdrew is IMO, hogwash - just really does not happen - its not in any programs benefit to , after spending so much time to allow you in -

-what was that if the glove dont fit or whatever!

And at some level from the onset when they started wtih all this vol w/d it was insulting like how stupid do you think folks are, all that Ferpa nonsense in the beginning Ferpa specifically outlines the very same exceptions :


Here IS what Ferpa DOES say:

One threshold point that is often overlooked is that FERPA limits only the disclosure of records and information from records about a student.

It does not limit disclosure or discussion of personal observations.


In other words, if a college or university employee develops a concern about a student based on the employee’s observations of or personal interactions with the student, the employee may disclose that concern to anyone without violating, or even implicating, FERPA.

Even when information is part of a student’s records and therefore covered by FERPA, the law provides several exceptions that permit appropriate communications under circumstances in which the student or others may be at risk of harm.

In some circumstances, FERPA has been invoked as the reason not to share student information, when in reality the law would permit disclosure

information regarding the results of certain student conduct proceedings involving violence to the general public

; http://www.insidehighered.com/views/2007/08/07/ferpa

 

[songline]

Do you guys think some famous lawyer will soon come forward to represent
( pro-bono ) JH and the families of many victims?

For the victims I can see it. People will like that.
For JH - IMO would not be in Famous attorneys best interest... too many people are very angry with JH.
I can’t imagine a well known to take that one probono.

 

[Nemont]

I couldn't open the above linked re: FERPA…but here is the UC one

www.ucdenver.edu/life/services/BETA/Documents/FERPA Resources.pdf

I also found their withdrawal form, it's here: www.ucdenver.edu/student-services/resources/registrar/Documents/RegistrarForms/AMC/withdrawal.pdf

and it does say that "NOTE THAT YOU WILL NOT BE WITHDRAWN UNTIL THIS FORM IS SUBMITTED TO THE REGISTRAR’S OFFICE."

So, I think, "technically", he was still a student.