The Rumor Mill -- unsubstantiated, yet possible relevant information

[SearchingMike]

Of course he did it for free. Keeps him relevant

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[deedee21]

Imagine the implications if SG phone was in someones possession on May 3rd. Its a game changer. That would mean they threw her phone, purse, and jeans in ths marsh. After dumping SG there.

 

[marble]

If anyone is actually friends with Kolker. .......Id suggest they direct him here for comment.

I'm not friends with him but a very close relative is. The next time I talk to them I'll let them know he might want to take a look at the recent developments in this thread.

 

[mcme]

I think you have an incorrect view of the terrain.

Why do you think they drained the marsh in order to facilitate the search? Without proper drainage - which we know it didn't have at the time of SG's disappearance - the tides influence the water level. I am not suggesting it was a raging ocean in there. Just that there could easily have been enough water for someone face up or on their side for that matter to choke to death if they passed out in a low point of the basin.

The Suffolk County examiner didn't just postulate drowning as a cause of death because she hoped the case would go away. It was based on the conditions in that marsh.

Doesn't mean SG drowned. Just that you can't rule it out.

Robert Anderson, I don't mean to be argumentative, but as an Oak Beach resident who has been out there countless times with my dog and daughter, I feel I have a pretty good idea of the lay of the land. While it is muddy, wet and swampy ground with mosquito ditches that generally have water in them, there is very rarely any standing water in the low plain of the area, and definitely not as far up the bank towards the highway where SG's body was found.

 

[threelittlebirdies]

Imagine the implications if SG phone was in someones possession on May 3rd. Its a game changer. That would mean they threw her phone, purse, and jeans in ths marsh. After dumping SG there.

Since TKM's research has uncovered that Hackett never called MG and the call was spoofed originating from Ellenville, I now believe that the 911 call was spoofed from Ellenville. Additionally, I also now believe that Shannon realized that her phone was being spoofed that night and/or she received weird spoofed messages on her phone that night which led her to understand she was being set up to be killed. Which is why she flipped on Pak and went running through the streets screaming "they are trying to kill me".



Great work TKM.

 

[SearchingMike]

We have seen ZERO evidence that shows that Hackett never called or calls were spoofed.

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[LindsayLohan6]

Since TKM's research has uncovered that Hackett never called MG and the call was spoofed originating from Ellenville, I now believe that the 911 call was spoofed from Ellenville. Additionally, I also now believe that Shannon realized that her phone was being spoofed that night and/or she received weird spoofed messages on her phone that night which led her to understand she was being set up to be killed. Which is why she flipped on Pak and went running through the streets screaming "they are trying to kill me".



Great work TKM.

What research? It sounds like Mockingbird just doesn't understand how to read phone records

 

[Puggle]

Would posters be happier not knowing about recent developments? Maybe he or she is not allowed to tell all. Im as curious as everyone else. I'll take what I can get. Im glad to know its moving along.

That's the thing dee isnt it ........ we dont know anything really do we..?

Ahhhh I was shooting off....but yeah probably should have reminded myself this is the Rumour thread ...duh...

 

[threelittlebirdies]

TKM went to the court house and researched the case, which included where which tower the call originated from.etc. Go back and re-read the posts. I would grab them for you and pull them here, but my computer is running really slow tonight and I keep getting caught in a loop.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Yea and I'm pretty sure Mockingbird has no idea what their talking about. It sounds like she is interpreting the records wrong and reading the destination of the call as the origin. this is would explain why a call from hackett to Mari says Ellenville...because thats the DESTINATION of where the call is GOING

 

[threelittlebirdies]

Yea and I'm pretty sure Mockingbird has no idea what their talking about. It sounds like she is interpreting the records wrong and reading the destination of the call as the origin. this is would explain why a call from hackett to Mari says Ellenville...because thats the DESTINATION of where the call is GOING

Hey Mocking,

Rachel and Josh here from the docu-series. Just spoke to a mutual friend who brought us up to speed on Mari's records. Many questions swirling. But most burning is, can you confirm that the number that we're all assuming is Shannan's is the same number Shannan made the 23 min 911 call from? Any way to confirm that?

Another poster provided me with information that on 5/3/10 Dr.Hackett did NOT call Mari Gilbert ! So who called Mari Gilbert and why? There is also information that on 5/3 a call went to Mari from SG's number when she was supposed to be dead on 5/1. I am only going on the information the call numbers was that of SG's phone.

Hackett's number was spoofed by some unknown caller.

If you WERE to get the phone records,
the call at 1:42pm to Mari from Hackett's wife's phone

ORIGINATES from the Ellenville area. It states it right on the bill.

HOW can that BE?
If the call originated from OB it would state - Babylon or West Islip - or a tower close by.

WHY is the call ORIGINATING from the Ellenville area?

Who was setting the doc up? you don't need Barbara Hackett's phone to SAY a call is coming from that number.
Pak is a pimp - and he was Shannan's business partner.

Why did he RUN out of OB? huh?
WHY? What was he running FROM?

THATS a good point - she was running from HIM. (pak)

but please go to the court and get the phone records for May 2010 to MG.
you will see - the "hackett" call ORIGINATES from Ellenville. It says it on the bill.

SO WHO called either
a) from the actual phone of Barbara Hackett
or
b) spoofed Mari and it says it is BH phone calling Mari. and then someone gave Mari this speech
that it was Hackett - and some wayward rehab or something.

Whatever.....the reality is - Mari said the call came in and it said what it said. or he said what he said.

but why does the call tower state that it is from the Ellenville tower?

That he had to run OUT of there when the sun came up.

So, the fact is - he is a convicted felon. If you watched the FIRST episode of 48 Hours, you saw Robin Sax state that Pak is a convicted felon
and she stated the facts behind what he was convicted for.

So - Pak transported SG to Oak Beach. Well, he would not be arrested by the SCPD for that. He could Lie and say this or say that a party and
she went running and I can't find her please help me find her, she's a good friend and my business partner.

But - no - Pak did nothing of the sort.

Shannan was scared sh******less of PAK. For some reason.
Maybe there were other girls at the party - and one recognized Pak. Maybe Pak took some wanky drugs and turned into a psycho and HE was trying to kill SG.
Actually - I think that is what we have heard; that Pak was accused of trying to kill SG.

Maybe Pak is LISK and no one ever put that together. Maybe he gets psychotic under certain influences and SG never saw that side of him until that night in OB.

Why would she go to Long Island on a Saturday night in May when NEW YORK CITY is the mega of millions of dollars for prostitution with all the swanky high end hotels?
Why would you need to drive out 2 hours to the end of no where to work? hmm? NYC is the golden goose for prostitution. Seriously folks.

She was scared for her life - and she was scared of HIM (pak)
Something terrible happened at that party and Pak was scared too. So scared, that he ran for his life too, or he found her and silenced her and covered it up
with that call to Mari from CPH to take any blame away from him. To totally frame the good doc.

Are you sure you read the phone bill right? What phone bill were you looking at? I've never seen a phone bill that lists where a phone is pinging from. It says where the # is from...like a 917 number it would say New York. So you are claiming it has Barbara Hack's number but says from Ellenville, NY? That wouldn't mean whoever made the call was from ellenville...it would mean the number that the call was actually made from was registered to Ellenville number despite being spoofed as Hackett's LI number. Am I totally wrong here anyone?

Lindsay, I gathered important parts of the conversation for you. TKM did not read a phone record wrong. Re-read the conversation. Additionally, why would CPH have his phone registered in Ellenville? The call originated from Ellenville and was spoofed to CPH phone. CPH was set up. Pak was in cohots with the Ellenville resident. At this point, I think we all know who from Ellenville was involved in this. Also, was probably getting a cut from Pak.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Lindsay, I gathered important parts of the conversation for you. TKM did not read a phone record wrong. Re-read the conversation. Additionally, why would CPH have his phone registered in Ellenville? The call originated from Ellenville and was spoofed to CPH phone. CPH was set up. Pak was in cohots with the Ellenville resident. At this point, I think we all know who from Ellenville was involved in this. Also, was probably getting a cut from Pak.

Who is the Ellenville resident? Whatever you think you know, count me out. I spoke to Josh/Rachel. It sounds like Mockingbird may have confused the meaning of Origination and Destination on the cell phone records. How much do you want to bet the Destination = Ellenville and not the Origination?

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080530005128AAWSwth

Why not take a picture of the bill and post it rather than just piss in the wind mockingbird? Does the phone bill say Origination: Ellenville Destination: Ellenville? I'll believe it when I see it and I'm certainly not going to take just anyone's word for it until then. Maybe you should thing twice before swallowing little bird

 

[LindsayLohan6]

What the **** are you even saying little bird? you think Mari and Pak consipired to spoof the call to herself to frame Dr. Hackett? <modsnip>

 

[Puggle]

Lindsay, I gathered important parts of the conversation for you. TKM did not read a phone record wrong. Re-read the conversation. Additionally, why would CPH have his phone registered in Ellenville? The call originated from Ellenville and was spoofed to CPH phone. CPH was set up. Pak was in cohots with the Ellenville resident. At this point, I think we all know who from Ellenville was involved in this. Also, was probably getting a cut from Pak.

please don't use the word "we"

RIP Mari

 

[Puggle]

What the **** are you even saying little bird? you think Mari and Pak consipired to spoof the call to herself to frame Dr. Hackett? <modsnip>

Lindsay ..... what is going on?

Seriously all this talk about spoofed phone calls.... I'm with you...I think someone is reading the records wrongly.

CPH denied making the calls initially.

He was then confronted by the 48hrs team with Mari's Phone records, and then admitted to making they calls ..... there is no dispute!! he admitted making the calls!!

All that was in dispute was the content of the phone calls ..... why is there now a push to cloud/muddy the waters on what has been admitted by CPH as facts.



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Puggle xx

 

[Puggle]

<modsnip>

we dont have a copy and none has been provided via a link that can be substantiated. So what we have here is unfounded claims, that fly in the face of what has been presented via msm.

Hackett denied making the calls....... then retracted and admitted that he did....they have been prooven via msm.

So why would he lie ......then admitt he did........if he didn't?

 

[Sillybilly]

Stop the rudeness and bickering in this thread.
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[Robert Anderson]

Robert Anderson, I don't mean to be argumentative, but as an Oak Beach resident who has been out there countless times with my dog and daughter, I feel I have a pretty good idea of the lay of the land. While it is muddy, wet and swampy ground with mosquito ditches that generally have water in them, there is very rarely any standing water in the low plain of the area, and definitely not as far up the bank towards the highway where SG's body was found.

That is interesting as it does contradict what an Oak Beach resident told me when I went out to visit the site. As well as the comments from the police re the tides.

I am also not trying to be argumentative but hopefully through an iterative process we can hone in on the truth. I am just talking about the normal ebb and flow of the water table which would affect a marsh so close to the ocean. You only need a few inches in the right place to drown. And this would have been before the drainage system was repaired.

Can I ask why you would go in there? And how? Because from what I saw there are some pretty impressive brambles barring the way. Is it easier to enter down by what was Hackett's house?

Not being accusative just interested. It doesn't seem like a place I'd ever want to enter. Ticks alone would dissuade me.

Thanks for the civil discussion. It is appreciated.

 

[SearchingMike]

https://books.google.com/books?id=A...TAD#v=onepage&q=oak beach marsh tides&f=false
This is a link describing Oak Beach Marsh as a "tidal-marsh basin"....there are multiple other sources that I will post later that describe the tidal impact on the marsh especially PRIOR to the drainage system fix.

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[mcme]

RA, going in there any time besides winter is not something I'd do because it's a muddy, swampy, insect swarmed hell. During the colder time of year, the ground firms up, there's no bugs and between the the snow/ice and cold, the reeds get mostly mowed down. The dog loved it, my daughter always loved an adventure and I enjoyed being with both of them. There are quite a few easy ways to walk right in and out. SG didn't use them. Where she supposedly went in is a thick wall of growth, and where she was found, probably because she tried to exit there to the highway, is the impenetrable shrub they claimed it to be. There's no ebb and flow in there because it's generally above sea level and there's no direct connection to the water. An extended high tide event like a nor'easter or hurricane will soak the whole area's ground by not letting it drain through the soil/sand like it normally does. Add some significant rainfall and now there's standing water you could drown in.