The Sidebar - Harris Trial #2

[arkansasmimi]

At 11.27 in the video, you see him pause again, just before he walks out of camera shot. This is after the other man has passed the car.

Did LE make any effort to find the man who walked past RH in this video? They could have asked if RH said anything to him as walked past, and if he noticed anything odd about RH'S demeanour.

Personally, I think he's looking at his phone. You clearly see his hand go up when he pauses, bringing his phone up towards his face to look at it. I think he would have walked in exactly the same way if there had been no one else there.

Agree, and he did the same exact thing after the man and RH had already gotten past that point. He stops and does same thing. **sun was shining so the raising up phone could be to see better without glare on screen. jmho And the whole at the car light bulb portion, if it had taken more than the seconds that whole time took, I would see it different, but the whole open door, put in light bulbs, shut door and start to walk away was iirc 5 SECONDS. The only thing can use ss or slowing down (at the car) is to see if his head went below the top of SUV, nothing more. JMHO

 

[MinnesotaMary]

LEGAL QUESTION THAT HAS ME BAFFLED:
We know Ross Harris clicked into all sorts of creepy websites. Just one EG is he wound up in a 'SubReddit' called 'Watch People Die'. WHY IN THE WORLD DIDN'T THE PROSECUTION HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF DETAIL TO INTRODUCE ABOUT THINGS that would logically 'build up' to Ross Harris winding up in a SubReddit like that? For instance, wouldn't Ross Harris SURELY have googled search terms that got him to the creepy 'Watch People Die' site??? Wouldn't he have googled terms that got him to an obscure 'Dog Dying Process in a Hot Car' video on youtube????? - TYIA for answers on this !! I bring this up because IMO all the 'clicking around' the 'net that Ross Harris did surely had TONS of damning facts that should have been included in the trial!


I haven't post on this trial 'til now fyi. A few more comments and questions:
1. That 'paid head', the man who was paid $40,000 - grey haired. He repeatedly said the 'Watch People Die' was AN ENTERTAINMENT SITE!!!! omg!!!!!!!!!!!! I clicked into that site just now and you HAVE TO VERIFY YOU'RE AN ADULT TO OPEN IT -it's a terrifying site !!!

2. I kept an open mind all the way up to the trial and just did not believe that Ross Harris did what, I now know, HE DID. I think Ross Harris rationalized that his baby just 'slept and died' and it was some easy, pain free death, with the baby not even conscious, 'because he was asleep' !! I also betcha a zillion dollars that Ross Harris twisted 'God' into what he chose to do: You know, 'Cooper is better off in heaven', 'I'd never want to bring Cooper back if we could', blah blah blah.

3. Leanna, I think, had gotten her mind made up with that 'forceful' BFF/girlfriend of hers that Ross 'did bad stuff' but he just wasn't a murderer. On the stand, I felt Leanna just did not grasp all Ross had done behind her back, she didn't grasp the truth, because it was all just too much for her.

It made sense to me that Leanna's mom acted hysterically but Leanna was a Rock. I bet growing up Leanna was always like that.

4. I felt the grey haired 'paid head' of the defense' DID try to stay very matter of fact, but toward the end of his testimony I felt he devolved, knowing Ross was nailed to the wall. That was why he said that 'Watching People Die online was ''an entertainment site'' ' - IMO that man got very nervous toward the end and was trying to do SOMETHING to pay homage to those who had paid him.

5. The young guy with dark hair who was the defense 'memory' expert. Did anyone else here notice how he walked to the witness stand initially???? Go look at what he did to the jurors - I was shocked and appalled by what I saw.

6. Also, Vinnie P. had a female lawyer on who called that young guy 'Howdy Doody', AND she said that witness completely destroyed whatever chance Ross had of 'getting off'.

7. I am AGHAST at Ross doing the 'fist bump' with his young defense lawyer - dark hair, glasses. SURELY THAT MEANT THAT ROSS THINKS HE'S 'GOT IT IN THE BAG' !!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????? NO YOU DON'T, ROSS !!!!

8. I've seen nothing on this question I have: When the jurors asked their questions, SURELY NOW ROSS HARRIS LOOKS GREEN AND YELLOW AND SICK, DOESN'T HE????????? HOW CAN HE NOT KNOW HE IS GOING TO BE LOCKED AWAY FOR YEARS AND YEARS? All I can think is his narcissism blocks him from seeing the plain facts.

9. DID OTHERS NOTICE, SEE THINGS AS I DID ABOUT THIS: I felt Ross Harris was completely ACTING during the trial. His face, BOTH SIDES OF HIS MOUTH would twitch on & on and he'd have to cover his face. I feel that 'Griffin/jury/website' has Ross thinking he's played all the jurors for COMPLETE FOOLS.

10. I felt bad, so sad, for Ross' police officer brother who testified - IMO he knows the truth.......

11. A guess on Vinnie's show talked about how 'THE REST OF ROSS HARRIS' FAMILY' did NOT show up and testify - she said it was because they know Ross Harris is a 'sc@mb@g'. IS THAT TRUE? PLEASE TELL ME DOES ROSS HARRIS have a lot of others in his fam' - parents, siblings.........? I'm clueles

PS - How much did the young guy get paid?

 

[PaperDoll]

I watched the enhanced video - even in slow motion. I'll say this, he was walking weirdly and he stopped/hesitated 3 different times. Try as I might, I could not discern a head or body turn, but I couldn't rule it out either. Maybe he hesitated to look at something or maybe he was just distracted by his phone while walking. So basically, nothing definitive can be determined from that blurry and grainy video. IMO

Everyone is going to view that video differently. I personally view it like he hesitated because that guy did walk towards the SUV. I didn't notice Ross hesitate when he walked into work that morning in the parking lot, but only at lunch. To me when I view the evidence I find him guilty. However, all the evidence in and of it self doesn't mean anything really, but since Cooper was dead due to Ross, the evidence starts to come into play and when I look at it I view it all adds up to his guilt. Not every single piece so don't get me wrong. I do find that parking lot video as guilt because I do believe he knew Cooper was in that car.

 

[NCTeacher]

LEGAL QUESTION THAT HAS ME BAFFLED:
We know Ross Harris clicked into all sorts of creepy websites. Just one EG is he wound up in a 'SubReddit' called 'Watch People Die'. WHY IN THE WORLD DIDN'T THE PROSECUTION HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF DETAIL TO INTRODUCE ABOUT THINGS that would logically 'build up' to Ross Harris winding up in a SubReddit like that? For instance, wouldn't Ross Harris SURELY have googled search terms that got him to the creepy 'Watch People Die' site??? Wouldn't he have googled terms that got him to an obscure 'Dog Dying Process in a Hot Car' video on youtube????? - TYIA for answers on this !! I bring this up because IMO all the 'clicking around' the 'net that Ross Harris did surely had TONS of damning facts that should have been included in the trial!


I haven't post on this trial 'til now fyi. A few more comments and questions:
1. That 'paid head', the man who was paid $40,000 - grey haired. He repeatedly said the 'Watch People Die' was AN ENTERTAINMENT SITE!!!! omg!!!!!!!!!!!! I clicked into that site just now and you HAVE TO VERIFY YOU'RE AN ADULT TO OPEN IT -it's a terrifying site !!!

2. I kept an open mind all the way up to the trial and just did not believe that Ross Harris did what, I now know, HE DID. I think Ross Harris rationalized that his baby just 'slept and died' and it was some easy, pain free death, with the baby not even conscious, 'because he was asleep' !! I also betcha a zillion dollars that Ross Harris twisted 'God' into what he chose to do: You know, 'Cooper is better off in heaven', 'I'd never want to bring Cooper back if we could', blah blah blah.

3. Leanna, I think, had gotten her mind made up with that 'forceful' BFF/girlfriend of hers that Ross 'did bad stuff' but he just wasn't a murderer. On the stand, I felt Leanna just did not grasp all Ross had done behind her back, she didn't grasp the truth, because it was all just too much for her.

It made sense to me that Leanna's mom acted hysterically but Leanna was a Rock. I bet growing up Leanna was always like that.

4. I felt the grey haired 'paid head' of the defense' DID try to stay very matter of fact, but toward the end of his testimony I felt he devolved, knowing Ross was nailed to the wall. That was why he said that 'Watching People Die online was ''an entertainment site'' ' - IMO that man got very nervous toward the end and was trying to do SOMETHING to pay homage to those who had paid him.

5. The young guy with dark hair who was the defense 'memory' expert. Did anyone else here notice how he walked to the witness stand initially???? Go look at what he did to the jurors - I was shocked and appalled by what I saw.

6. Also, Vinnie P. had a female lawyer on who called that young guy 'Howdy Doody', AND she said that witness completely destroyed whatever chance Ross had of 'getting off'.

7. I am AGHAST at Ross doing the 'fist bump' with his young defense lawyer - dark hair, glasses. SURELY THAT MEANT THAT ROSS THINKS HE'S 'GOT IT IN THE BAG' !!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????? NO YOU DON'T, ROSS !!!!

8. I've seen nothing on this question I have: When the jurors asked their questions, SURELY NOW ROSS HARRIS LOOKS GREEN AND YELLOW AND SICK, DOESN'T HE????????? HOW CAN HE NOT KNOW HE IS GOING TO BE LOCKED AWAY FOR YEARS AND YEARS? All I can think is his narcissism blocks him from seeing the plain facts.

9. DID OTHERS NOTICE, SEE THINGS AS I DID ABOUT THIS: I felt Ross Harris was completely ACTING during the trial. His face, BOTH SIDES OF HIS MOUTH would twitch on & on and he'd have to cover his face. I feel that 'Griffin/jury/website' has Ross thinking he's played all the jurors for COMPLETE FOOLS.

10. I felt bad, so sad, for Ross' police officer brother who testified - IMO he knows the truth.......

11. A guess on Vinnie's show talked about how 'THE REST OF ROSS HARRIS' FAMILY' did NOT show up and testify - she said it was because they know Ross Harris is a 'sc@mb@g'. IS THAT TRUE? PLEASE TELL ME DOES ROSS HARRIS have a lot of others in his fam' - parents, siblings.........? I'm clueles

PS - How much did the young guy get paid?

About Ross's brother--but did you notice Ross genuinely broke down in sobbing fits when his brother was there? Totally going out on a limb here and pure speculation here... but Michael Baygents seems like a honest-to-goodness law-abiding police officer, no tolerance for law-breakers sort. I believe wholeheartedly that when the sexting of minors evidence came out, Michael basically cut himself from Ross. I think he agreed to testify on Ross's behalf because he believes Ross wouldn't intentionally murder Michael's nephew, BUT at the same time Michael is completely disgusted by Ross and has cut ties with him. I wonder if Michael visited Ross in jail and told him that he'll testify for him, but after that his hands are washed of him---or did he communicate that through Kilgore and not bother to see Ross at all...

I think Michael has severed ties with Ross because Ross had a nostalgic demeanor, sad for what was lost demeanor, when Michael was there.

 

[Hope4More]

About Ross's brother--but did you notice Ross genuinely broke down in sobbing fits when his brother was there? Totally going out on a limb here and pure speculation here... but Michael Baygents seems like a honest-to-goodness law-abiding police officer, no tolerance for law-breakers sort. I believe wholeheartedly that when the sexting of minors evidence came out, Michael basically cut himself from Ross. I think he agreed to testify on Ross's behalf because he believes Ross wouldn't intentionally murder Michael's nephew, BUT at the same time Michael is completely disgusted by Ross and has cut ties with him. I wonder if Michael visited Ross in jail and told him that he'll testify for him, but after that his hands are washed of him---or did he communicate that through Kilgore and not bother to see Ross at all...

I think Michael has severed ties with Ross because Ross had a nostalgic demeanor, sad for what was lost demeanor, when Michael was there.

Michael has consistently voiced his support for Ross, and his anger at Cobb County LE and the State for what he believes was bad police work, a rush to judgement, and for stooping to character assassination to make their flawed case stick.

As satisfying as it might be to some to believe Ross has lost all support from family and friends, that obviously isn't true, as evidenced by testimony presented at trial, if nothing else.

 

[Hope4More]

Did you watch the enhancement in the above video (my OP)? Prior to that video, I had never seen Ross turn back toward the car. It's very disconcerting IMO.



The link is at the top of this post. Right around minute 15:30

I did watch the enhanced video, multiple times, thanks.

What I don't understand is why people are insisting they see what even Stoddard and the fellow who enhanced the video say didn't happen?

 

[MinnesotaMary]

Michael has consistently voiced his support for Ross, and his anger at Cobb County LE and the State for what he believes was bad police work, a rush to judgement, and for stooping to character assassination to make their flawed case stick. As satisfying as it might be to some to believe Ross has lost all support from family and friends, that obviously isn't true, as evidenced by testimony presented at trial, if nothing else.

Hope4: I just did research on Michael and I am seeing he spoke with the press way back in JULY 2014, and NOTHING since - have I missed something?? I felt Michael KNOWS in his gut that it's true that Ross Harris murdered his baby. I, too, sure felt Michael was a very decent and law abiding person himself.

(I will go re-watch his testimony and watch closely for Ross' emotions in light of NCTeacher's comments (a few posts just above) that Ross seemed wistful, nostalgic, knowing his relationship with his brother was forever gone, forever severed........

 

[NCTeacher]

Michael has consistently voiced his support for Ross, and his anger at Cobb County LE and the State for what he believes was bad police work, a rush to judgement, and for stooping to character assassination to make their flawed case stick.

As satisfying as it might be to some to believe Ross has lost all support from family and friends, that obviously isn't true, as evidenced by testimony presented at trial, if nothing else.

I never stated anything contrary to what you just said. I followed this case from its inception, and know what Baygents said about Cobb. That, however, has nothing to do with Ross's decision to sext adolescents and I would bet my bottom dollar that Baygents finds that behavior repulsive and sickening.

Now back to my point, I have a hunch based on Ross's demeanor with Michael in the courtroom that their brotherly relationship is strained beyond repair over what is clear-cut Ross's criminality. Again, I'm not talking about Michael's perception of Cobb County and what he believes are bogus charges over his nephew's death, I am talking about the sex-related charges.

I stand by what I said, I bet Michael Baygents has nothing to do with his brother this point forward. Again, not based on anything pertaining to Cooper's death, but for Ross being a sexual predator.

For the record, it fits my narrative BETTER if Baygents is so enamored with Ross's narcissistic personality that he will forever be chummy chummy with him. But I am always willing to be objective, so in my objective observation of that testimony and Ross it struck me that the body language between both suggested a serious strain.

There is no real reason to be contrarian over this, as I said, it's speculation and a hunch based on Ross's demeanor while his brother was testifying. I honestly couldn't care less if they are peachy-keen or strained. So please don't feel the need to patronize me with me being somehow satisfied by Ross losing familial relationships because quite frankly I do not care about anything other than Ross spending the rest of his life behind bars---the family support or lake thereof is irrelevant to my satisfaction.

 

[Hope4More]

I never stated anything contrary to what you just said. I followed this case from its inception, and know what Baygents said about Cobb. That, however, has nothing to do with Ross's decision to sext adolescents and I would bet my bottom dollar that Baygents finds that behavior repulsive and sickening.

Now back to my point, I have a hunch based on Ross's demeanor with Michael in the courtroom that their brotherly relationship is strained beyond repair over what is clear-cut Ross's criminality. Again, I'm not talking about Michael's perception of Cobb County and what he believes are bogus charges over his nephew's death, I am talking about the sex-related charges.

I stand by what I said, I bet Michael Baygents has nothing to do with his brother this point forward. Again, not based on anything pertaining to Cooper's death, but for Ross being a sexual predator.

For the record, it fits my narrative BETTER if Baygents is so enamored with Ross's narcissistic personality that he will forever be chummy chummy with him. But I am always willing to be objective, so in my objective observation of that testimony and Ross it struck me that the body language between both suggested a serious strain.

There is no real reason to be contrarian over this, as I said, it's speculation and a hunch based on Ross's demeanor while his brother was testifying. I honestly couldn't care less if they are peachy-keen or strained. So please don't feel the need to patronize me with me being somehow satisfied by Ross losing familial relationships because quite frankly I do not care about anything other than Ross spending the rest of his life behind bars---the family support or lake thereof is irrelevant to my satisfaction.

Teach, there are many a post here explicitly stating satisfaction in the belief Ross has lost all support, and it is those posts I referred to as a generalized comment. Hence the "some."

Your speculation is yours, mine is that I take Michael at his word, that he is deeply disappointed in RH, but I see no reason to believe they're estranged.

It's always difficult to be related to someone who is accused of a terrible crime, but I imagine it's all the more difficult to be related to someone whose misdeeds include sexual transgressions that have been made so public, especially when family and friends are deeply religious.

BTW. I don't know if I agree with your characterization of RH as a "sexual predator." As far as I can tell from our limited access to information relating to minors, RH sexted with 2 underaged minors and didn't hook up with either one.

Disgusting and criminal, but for me, with what is known, doesn't meet the definition of sexual predator.

ETA:. Michael's public statement of support for his brother, and of his belief that LE and the State were using character assassination to make their case, was issued AfTER the July 2014 probable cause hearing, during which the allegations of RH sexting with minors were raised.

 

[Paige SC]

Questions: Are RH's parents alive? Did either one testify? Is Baygents a half biological sibling and is he the only sibling?

 

[MinnesotaMary]

ETA:. Michael's public statement of support for his brother, and of his belief that LE and the State were using character assassination to make their case, was issued AfTER the July 2014 probable cause hearing, during which the allegations of RH sexting with minors were raised.

With respect: Michael's statement about 'character assassination' was made to the local newspaper in JULY 2014 & it is now nearly 2 1/2 yrs. later. The purpose of the probable cause hearing is so that the prosecution gives just enough detail to the judge so that the threshold of PROBABLE CAUSE is established, no more, no less. At that point in time, July 2014, Michael would definitely not have known everything about Ross that he knows now.

I re-watched Michael's testimony & IMO Michael told the truth. Michael looked at that jury and (paraphrasing, speaking generally...) said, yes it is true that one can be stunned by who it is who murdered a baby.

 

[yupikgirl]

I for one would never support any family member that sent a photo of his penis to a 14 year old girl. And then tried to get her to send photos of herself- more than once.

Also there are others. These two girls are only from that day. There are separate charges for other girls on different days.

He is a predator. His own attorney didn't even dispute the charges. Disgusting. I would cut all ties with anyone in my family that did this. What he did with adults doesn't bother me at all. Doesn't even surprise me actually. I would not cut ties for that and frankly it would be none of my business. But the children- no way.


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[MinnesotaMary]

Questions: Are RH's parents alive? Did either one testify? Is Baygents a half biological sibling and is he the only sibling?

I saw NOTHING online about RS' parents, so do not know the answer. Absolutely NO parent of RS testified. There were a couple of 'old'ish' people, 1 male and 1 female a day or two and they sat in back - I felt they were just 2 spectators from the area and they sat in the very back on 'comf'y' chairs with padded bottoms, prob' because of health problems/OldTimers' sorts of problems.

I thought I'd read once that MIchael is a 1/2 brother but today could find NOTHING saying that. If they aren't 1/2 brothers, this sure is an example on how extremely diff' siblings can look - wow.

QUESTION: Who was that guy in the audience on Ross' side - the guy was skinny, had one of those Amish type beards but WITH a little moustached - I wondered if he was family of some sort. It seemed like that guy deliberately sad behind Ross cuz' he was there to offer support - that's how it seemed...

 

[arkansasmimi]

Now can anyone tell me what happened to Ross's laptop bag when he entered the car at the end of the day? It was on his hip, did he:
a) not look into the car at entry, keeping it on his hip thereby sitting on it when he entered the driver's seat (I've tried this, hip-level bags get caught under you)
b) not look into the car while tossing the laptop (lightbulbs are one thing, a laptop is another)
c) lean into the car and place it in the center console area (eek!)
d) lean into the car and place it in the passenger seat (eek)
e) lean into the car and place it on the passenger floor
f) remove the bag and uncomfortably hold it in front of him as he sat down and then turn and placed it to his right (eek)
g) remove the bag and uncomfortably hold it in front of him as he sat down and then threw/tossed the laptop in the rightward direction without looking (again, who the heck throws/tosses a LAPTOP?)
h) remove the bag and uncomfortably hold in front of him as he sat down and while staring straight ahead and then just reached to the right and hoped it would land in the seat/floor, console, without looking.

(I just tried f, g, h, in my Honda Odyssey and then my MIL's Hyundai Sante Fe (not a Tuscon, but fairly close)). It was much more comfortable to do them in my van because I step up, but in My MIL's, it made my balance alter slightly and was awkward--you go downward like entering a sedan. It also was awkward and felt forced to not look in the direction I was setting my bag.

It's not exactly scientific because I don't know the size of the laptop Ross had. Mine is a 15.6," I imagine a heavier 17" would be harder to juggle.

Jmho too much over thinking. Open door get in, RH has long arms reached over sat down laptop bag in front of passenger seat (we have seen photo evidence of tht placement) starts car drives off. RH has never said he didn't look to the right or passenger seat, he said in both videos that he saw what he thought was a glimpse of Cooper only as he turned and showed both times twisting around to looking as changed lanes to the right.

There were camera's very visible inside and outside of HD. Jmho makes less sense to go back to car at lunch if left Cooper there on purpose, especially no longer that he was as the SUV. Totally makes no sense, that short time opening putting in bulbs closing and leaving, not looking in car no way to tell anything about anything. Jmho had RH been at SUV longer, would have been a better argument. Jury wanting see lunch time video, we don't know what they were looking at. Could have wanted see how long was at car, they only had enhanced screen shots, which doesn't give context. Jmho

 

[monkeypants]

I saw NOTHING online about RS' parents, so do not know the answer. Absolutely NO parent of RS testified. There were a couple of 'old'ish' people, 1 male and 1 female a day or two and they sat in back - I felt they were just 2 spectators from the area and they sat in the very back on 'comf'y' chairs with padded bottoms, prob' because of health problems/OldTimers' sorts of problems.

I thought I'd read once that MIchael is a 1/2 brother but today could find NOTHING saying that. If they aren't 1/2 brothers, this sure is an example on how extremely diff' siblings can look - wow.

QUESTION: Who was that guy in the audience on Ross' side - the guy was skinny, had one of those Amish type beards but WITH a little moustached - I wondered if he was family of some sort. It seemed like that guy deliberately sad behind Ross cuz' he was there to offer support - that's how it seemed...

Ross and Michael are half siblings. They share the same mother iirc. I also think there is a sister.

I am sure they will move the sentencing back to his home county, therefore I would surely expect his family and friends to attend the sentencing. If they didn't I think it would speak volumes.

 

[Seriously?]

Been traveling and now reading some of the posts. Not surprising to see same lofty posts.

In my opinion, the person who has lost all support from family and friends is Cooper Harris. Astounding. A 22 m/o 21 lb little boy, with less than 1 oz in his stomach, no fecal matter in his diaper ( this is the goal of colonoscopy prep, folks!) suffered horribly in that car, which his parents wanted back pretty quickly. I'm reminded of the comments about his last meal - was sleepy because he had a full belly. Oh my.

If the parents had been tap dancing while whistling zippity do-da in that tape, it would likely be interpreted as a century's old Southern bereavement ritual.

I cannot understand any reason for people who truly loved Cooper Harris to be absent from the trial. No one there. How very sad for Cooper. Perhaps the family feels they would be disloyal to RH - if so, that's even more sad.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

Michael has consistently voiced his support for Ross, and his anger at Cobb County LE and the State for what he believes was bad police work, a rush to judgement, and for stooping to character assassination to make their flawed case stick.

As satisfying as it might be to some to believe Ross has lost all support from family and friends, that obviously isn't true, as evidenced by testimony presented at trial, if nothing else.

Do you have any recent articles or quotes from Baygents criticizing LE and supporting Ross? I've only seen old ones.

 

[arkansasmimi]

I for one would never support any family member that sent a photo of his penis to a 14 year old girl. And then tried to get her to send photos of herself- more than once.

Also there are others. These two girls are only from that day. There are separate charges for other girls on different days.

He is a predator. His own attorney didn't even dispute the charges. Disgusting. I would cut all ties with anyone in my family that did this. What he did with adults doesn't bother me at all. Doesn't even surprise me actually. I would not cut ties for that and frankly it would be none of my business. But the children- no way.


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The person in this case was listed as Chelsea D. Only 1 person, a different charge for each different incident with that individual. Phil Holloway believes the other witness who was a minor is who listed in the March 2016 Indictment, she is still under 18. Chelsea D was under age at time but is 19 now, why she is named. Judge used her discretion to block their testimony and faces. Just my opinion from following trial.

 

[FinallyRegistered]

For anyone who is bored today and wants to read Jaynie Meadow's testimony, I have published it to the RH Witness sub-thread.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...nterviews-testimony-and-video-*No-Discussion*

(Oh, and jbj, I love the new avatar! I'm still sustaining on Taco Bell and leftover Halloween candy over here.)

 

[arkansasmimi]

Do you have any recent articles or quotes from Baygents criticizing LE and supporting Ross? I've only seen old ones.

Jmho they have stayed away from media because of how they were in beginning. They don't owe media anything. And honestly doubt if there are articles anyone would believe them or change anyone opinion. Jmho the testimony of the brother and sister in law was clear on their opinion of everything. Same with Leanna best friend.