The SODDI Defense (Some Other Dude Did It)...If not KC, who?

[Rumpole]

I just don't see KC being that important. She could be bought off for a couple of hundred bucks. She has a dirtier past than mos. If she knew ANYTHING of importance, who would believe her - nevermind, Cindy and Cindy would be shouting it from the rooftops.

My fantasy compares well with others here. In fact its better by far than all of them!
We have had proposed involvement with crime Drug/sex trafficking and imaginary rapist/sex offender with no basis AT ALL, and no attempt to explain any known evidence. Given the known shenanigans in politics and the serious money involved there are many precedents for all manner of crimes and cover-ups. Florida was certainly part of an extensive Political battle with VERY high stakes. If politics mixed with reputations, sex, drugs, stupid immoral women(or men), murder, cover-up, it would hardly be a first?

 

[justsaying]

I can't come up with anything plausible in the realm of SOD.........sorry KC, I still think it's you. But, if my imagination were to be consulted........it was the squirrels. They'd lost enough population to KC and her crazy driving with the cell phone glued to her head or fingers, whatever. She'd finally hit a vital squirrel leader whose death united the squirrel population. The squirrels couldn't risk exposure - as the DNA of their slain leader was all over the subject vehicle; therefore, they contracted a desparate group of chipmonks to tackle the job. Chipmonks are not known for their accuracy and unfortunately they missed their target, KC. Eager to distance themselves from the crime a plot to frame KC went into effect. Things were going fine until the rest of the A family got involved and began a vigorous campaign of lies which brought further scrutiny into the case and sought to expose the carefully mastered plan of the rodents....

well this is about as likely as SOD theory.....I wish I could believe that an attractive young woman with everything wouldn't murder her own child, but I do.

Oh,my goodness, I'm scared her attorney might just go with this one! Hee, Hee, Hee . . .I can't stop giggling.

 

[Pattymarie]

I am not thinking event planning as in detailed accounts etc I am thinking event planning as in, how many hookers and and making sure there is plenty of booze?

OT Facts not critical here. Just what you "reckon". Start with an imagined "what if" and go for it!

Has there ever been a thread on the A's alcohol and drug use? I mean, all of them? It seems to me that no dysfunctional family is not without addiction. Yet so far, I have never really seen this discussed....I think it must be a major factor in this case.
What we seem to know:
Casey: drinks and smokes pot (what else?) cigarettes?
George: definitely drinks... what else?
Cindy: on prescription pills (probably drinks?)
Lee: probably all of the above? given his age...and family history...

This has to be a factor, imo...usually is in most crimes....why has this not been dissected? Could provide many answers.

 

[mitzi]

Problems I see with this type of SODDI theory is that if this were even close to being true, then why does KC act like nothing is wrong during her court appearances? Why does she appear to be happy, laughing, smiling at her attorneys, the camera at anyone playing attention to her while she is in court? If some nefarious person(s) did this, KC has no reason not to talk to LE to help put these persons in jail and be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law?

She can't because I do not believe they exist. KC isn't smart enough to be involved with these types of people. Plus I don't think people who are capable of killing another person would bother with the likes of KC. She isn't capable of following directions given by others. She marches to her own tune making them up as she goes in ten second intervals.



Exactly what I think .... CA is a loose cannon all around with GA. They all know what happened when it happened and who was the main person responsible for Caylee's murder as well as the clean up.

I don't remember the exact phrase CA told KC during the early arrest but it was something to the effect of ..... don't worry they haven't found anything ....... does anyone else remember this?

Bold mine.

Someone may have already answered this, but I think CA said to KC, "There is NO evidence."

 

[akashana]

You don't have to be able to identify who the murderer was, to be able to see that the information available so far does not rule out the possibility of another perpetrator. The investigation into Casey was great. The investigation into the other people who had been with and around her and Caylee, very limited. Where are the ping maps for the other players? Where was even forensic examination of their homes/vehicles, etc (other than the luminol on the shoes in TL's jeep and the hair and leaf collection from the jeep.) And not just the family/friend circle, what about other people in the vicinities where Caylee had been?

Then add to that the fact that despite the location being right down the street from the Anthony home, right there in the neighborhood just beyond a back yard fence of a property, no body was ever smelled or noticed there, until so much later. No smell ever noticed by anyone who lived there, or by dogs out for walks, then people were all over the neighborhood, press, protesters, volunteer searchers, etc, and no one ever came across the body all that time.

With regards to the smell, Caylee's remains were found at the edge of a swamp in an area that had recently been under a lot of water from the hurricane. I live in south Louisiana, where there are swamps aplenty, just like Florida. There is pungent, fetid smell to a swamp year-round, due to the swamp gases and general decay of the plant and animal life that is routinely submerged in brackish water and muck. A small child whose remains had been immersed in water for months during the early stages of decomposition would not necessarily be easily detected by the smell. There are just too many other odors permeating the air distinguish that particular one.

 

[cecybeans]

Where am I? Who am I? Political conspiriacies? Are we in the Parking Lot? Beamed to another dimension? JB's office?

:hypno::hypno::hypno:

 

[Verité]

Yes!
But we have found all sorts of interesting people and "things" in the background of all these pics!

And a lot more to come I am sure!

As I say we have not seen ALL the bad photos so more than likely there is a political cover up! It's pointing to the highest levels of Federal politics.

As to bolded statement, U gotta B kidding, right?

 

[MAMABEAR]

the photos are
Not of other people, but of her in very sexual situations.

I do not believe there are Pictures on the Internet. (maybe one link to one pix)
There was much talk and one photo, worse then the what we had seen to date (not totally nude)
on the site of In Session this past summer. (it may have been a link to internet).
(much reference to GA having seen them, and that had begun her parents probing about her work.)

In the past (not in this case)
I had seen for example in the ANS case - real S&M compromising photos that were totally removed
to subdue the public opinion.
I can not promise that it is still there. but I did see one.

Quoted both of em.

Oh I've seen that one pic. Thought you had more when you added an "s". That pic may/may not have been part of a bundle---we will just have to wait and see---if it even comes out. We need more proof that she was into .

 

[Verité]

Has there ever been a thread on the A's alcohol and drug use? I mean, all of them? It seems to me that no dysfunctional family is not without addiction. Yet so far, I have never really seen this discussed....I think it must be a major factor in this case.
What we seem to know:
Casey: drinks and smokes pot (what else?) cigarettes?
George: definitely drinks... what else?
Cindy: on prescription pills (probably drinks?)
Lee: probably all of the above? given his age...and family history...

This has to be a factor, imo...usually is in most crimes....why has this not been dissected? Could provide many answers.

I agree totally with your statements above (bolded by me). There's no
thread that I know of other than bits & chunks here & there. I just read
the NL Interview thread, which I'd seen quite sometime ago, but it was a
refreshing review of what i think is one of the most reliable reports of
KC's alcohol use in the period post-Caylee disappearance.

Why dontcha start a thread?

 

[akashana]

The one thing that really keeps me believing it's KC alone who is responsible for Caylee's death is that she is on trial for her life, and yet hasn't offered up a single pertinent bit of information or evidence to LE that points to another person of interest. We see her and her family toss Amy, Jesse, others, under the bus repeatedly, yet absolutely nothing links them to the crime. Amy was in Puerto Rico when Caylee disappeared IIRC, and it's so clearly not Jesse. Initially KC says she's protecting her family, yet no guards were put on them and they stayed in their home, the same home that everyone saw on the news hundreds of times. If she can offer up nothing plausible, then in my mind, the truth itself is so sordid and horrible she has decided to remain mum. If I were in her shoes and had any inkling of proof to offer to LE to divert suspicioun from myself, I would be screaming names from the rooftops, offering fact afer fact that ZFG existed. But everything she has thus far claimed has been 100% bogus. This is a woman on trial for her life. There is no way she would protect her daughter's murderer and be executed in place of that person. KC is a person with no regard for others. How can she expect anyone to believe that she is sitting in jail protecting someone who killed her only child? It requires a suspension of belief no thinking person can achieve.

 

[songline]

Where am I? Who am I? Political conspiriacies? Are we in the Parking Lot? Beamed to another dimension? JB's office?

:hypno::hypno::hypno:

YES you are now traveling in the twilight zone...
international, political and soon animal planet will merge here too. :blowkiss:
Oh wait a minute it all started out with people acting like animals.

but, Fantasy is not a bad thing

 

[Verité]

How about this one---The real nanny's name was not ZG--that's just what she told KC. Hence, all searches for the real ZG have been in vain and she's still running around out there pleased with herself. KC even sent LA to Puerto Rico looking for her. She had been abusing Caylee since she started babysitting and the child was getting old enough to tell so she had to be disposed of. In all honesty I pictured KC selling her to begin with. Money was so up her alley

Maybe you're right re bolded section: Annie D. depo reveals that, after release from first incarceration, KC told her that she was being told what to say (about Zani, etc. etc.)
by the one(s) who took Caylee.

I can't entertain the last two statements as way too callous for me to even consider at this point. Curious, since I can consider the notion of filicide.

 

[Verité]

As to bolded statement, U gotta B kidding, right?

OK, quoting self above questioning Monsieur Poirot. Sorry, but I didn't start with your post #219 which explains your line of reasoning. . .on through your subsequent
posts except I do think you failed to mention the international implications of the Castro brothers, which probably ties back into the JFK conspiracy, the NY Italiano, aka the mafia . . .and where will it all end?



Oui, Monsieur, it all ties together for me now!

 

[USARDOG]

The one thing that really keeps me believing it's KC alone who is responsible for Caylee's death is that she is on trial for her life, and yet hasn't offered up a single pertinent bit of information or evidence to LE that points to another person of interest...... It requires a suspension of belief no thinking person can achieve.

I was with you right to the end, but here I must object, C&G see capable of this level of delusion, as do a few others.

 

[songline]

How about this one---The real nanny's name was not ZG--that's just what she told KC. Hence, all searches for the real ZG have been in vain and she's still running around out there pleased with herself. KC even sent LA to Puerto Rico looking for her. She had been abusing Caylee since she started babysitting and the child was getting old enough to tell so she had to be disposed of. In all honesty I pictured KC selling her to begin with. Money was so up her alley

I said long ago that Caylee started to tell Cindy things.
I do think that Caylee started to talk and that was an issue for Casey...I am afraid Caylee told Cindy something that freaked Casey out.

 

[Leila]

With regards to the smell, Caylee's remains were found at the edge of a swamp in an area that had recently been under a lot of water from the hurricane. I live in south Louisiana, where there are swamps aplenty, just like Florida. There is pungent, fetid smell to a swamp year-round, due to the swamp gases and general decay of the plant and animal life that is routinely submerged in brackish water and muck. A small child whose remains had been immersed in water for months during the early stages of decomposition would not necessarily be easily detected by the smell. There are just too many other odors permeating the air distinguish that particular one.

On the day Caylee's remains were found, a young man who lives in the neighborhood says that early last summer (June/July) there WAS an odor, and police were called. Someone found a dead animal off the street into the foliage and it was decided that this was the source of the odor. The odor lingered and then dissipated, and then the rain came. Anyone who mentioned the odor dismissed it once they learned a dead animal had been found off the street.

The defense is going to try to claim that someone placed Caylee's remains there after Casey was in jail. I suspect the young man and other neighbors who smelled the odor will be witnesses at the trial, along with the forensic etomologists, to dispute that claim.

 

[songline]

Tell me you have seen these pics and where I can go snag a look. Please.

I went into the site I recommended to you.
Have not been there for several months.
Looks like they are refurbishing that site and only one thread is open till - i think they said the 28th..
Don't know if they are going to archive the old threads (no idea)

 

[MAMABEAR]

I went into the site I recommended to you.
Have not been there for several months.
Looks like they are refurbishing that site and only one thread is open till - i think they said the 28th..
Don't know if they are going to archive the old threads (no idea)

But there was only the one type picture. All the other pictures we have seen is just party pictures. One of my G/D's My Space has about the same kind of party pictures that KC had on hers. Not proud of this but it is something these kids do---now-a-days. My G/D doesn't have any kids yet. Cross that bridge when we get to it. Hoping that she settles down a tad for she has kids. LOL

Anyway---like I said---there is one and only one picture of KC in a setting. In order for us to be able to say that she was in the industry---we would have to see more proof. If you know of such proof--I sure would like for you to share your findings.:blowkiss:

P.S.
I have that pic (the one) in my KC folder.

 

[countzero]

But there was only the one type picture. All the other pictures we have seen is just party pictures. One of my G/D's My Space has about the same kind of party pictures that KC had on hers. Not proud of this but it is something these kids do---now-a-days. My G/D doesn't have any kids yet. Cross that bridge when we get to it. Hoping that she settles down a tad for she has kids. LOL

Anyway---like I said---there is one and only one picture of KC in a setting. In order for us to be able to say that she was in the industry---we would have to see more proof. If you know of such proof--I sure would like for you to share your findings.:blowkiss:

P.S.
I have that pic (the one) in my KC folder.

bold by me:

This is what I would like to see as well. KC's a creature of habit as we have read her texts and phone call logs. There is no evidence that she was involved in any type of activities other than those racy ones taken at Fusion and the parties. She had her own comfort zone ripping off money from family and friends.

If she was involved in or as a prostitute, you wouldn't see her shopping in Targee' and stealing money. You would be seeing lots of hotel/motel receipts and pings from her cellphone visiting these places. Her movements and texts are well documented. KC is a well established and habitual liar; we would have read about her telling people about her new found life and she would have been spreading the wealth around she was making or even attempting to get her friends to join her making easy money.

Getting into the industry isn't easy as it looks on tv. A gal I knew years ago tried to get into it to make a quick buck and ended up hooked on drugs and prostituting herself for her habit. From what I understand she is still trying to get her life together.

JB would have to produce and give to the SA any discovery evidence that pointed remotely in this direction. And any jury would demand to see it as well to give it any type of believability not for creating reasonable doubt.

If this were a lesser charge of any other type of felony, then a jury might give some credibility to this scenario, but a tot mom accused of murdering her child --- naw I am not buying that. The jury wants undisputed evidence that other nefarious individuals were involved and caused Caylee's murder, not KC or her family members.

Then JB would have to create a chain of evidence proving these nefarious individuals had control of KC's car as well as entry into the A's house.

Good luck with that. Not gonna happen.

 

[songline]

But there was only the one type picture. All the other pictures we have seen is just party pictures. One of my G/D's My Space has about the same kind of party pictures that KC had on hers. Not proud of this but it is something these kids do---now-a-days. My G/D doesn't have any kids yet. Cross that bridge when we get to it. Hoping that she settles down a tad for she has kids. LOL

Anyway---like I said---there is one and only one picture of KC in a setting. In order for us to be able to say that she was in the industry---we would have to see more proof. If you know of such proof--I sure would like for you to share your findings.:blowkiss:

P.S.
I have that pic (the one) in my KC folder.

I do not think the pix on her my space are a big deal, or have any thing to do with it.
I do not say that is a fact...I say, "I saw only one".
I also say the conversation on IS was that GA saw them and we thought at the time that is how the fight started. (I like to keep the essence & content straight - not changed up any)
He made sure they were not publicly used. GA has been involved from the get go to clean this up.
I do not know what you have, I know "I only saw one" that was in reply to have I seen any.