The SODDI Defense (Some Other Dude Did It)...If not KC, who?

[Balthazar]

And this stalker communicated with her how? Must have been smoke signals because all of her communications have been monitored, analyzed, and accounted for. Nope, no stalker here, and I hope the defense can do better or our KC is going to be on death row in just a couple of months.

You don't know that. Stalking is not necessarily overt. Have you ever heard of Stephanie Schmidt (Speak out for Stephanie)? Her stalker was a co-worker who she thought was a friend! She trusted him - enough that when he offered her a ride home she took it and he killed her. But she had no indication until then that there was a problem.

I also was stalked by a person I had no previous relationship with - and even when he was doing odd things - I didn't know it was him doing those things and up until he was caught, I trusted him and was friendly towards him - he was the maintenance man in my apartment complex. I had absolutely NO interaction with him which would have caused me to think he was my stalker. Trust me, these things can be very subtle and misinterpreted by the victim until it is too late.

 

[songline]

You don't know that. Stalking is not necessarily overt. Have you ever heard of Stephanie Schmidt (Speak out for Stephanie)? Her stalker was a co-worker who she thought was a friend! She trusted him - enough that when he offered her a ride home she took it and he killed her. But she had no indication until then that there was a problem.

I also was stalked by a person I had no previous relationship with - and even when he was doing odd things - I didn't know it was him doing those things and up until he was caught, I trusted him and was friendly towards him - he was the maintenance man in my apartment complex. I had absolutely NO interaction with him which would have caused me to think he was my stalker. Trust me, these things can be very subtle and misinterpreted by the victim until it is too late.

Sorry you had that experience;

There is no one out there who is doing the wrong thing operating with a careless trail - in the open, it is always
covert, manipulative, secretive.That is why so many succeed. but some do leave a trail Thank God.

It baffles me that someone wants proof of a stalker. :crazy:
There is a movie called Fatal Attraction maybe that can help.

The other thing that baffles me is the concept of if there is "no ping" - it could not have happened :doh:
I had seen that on several posts.

I went out for a drink with a gentleman I met at the bank a couple of weeks ago - we crossed the street had one glass of wine.
No pings, no pangs....I decided he is not for me, and there will never be a ping at all.
Life is not hooked up to a ping!!!!


MAYBE there is no one but KC involved - 4 me that Hard to digest.

 

[Balthazar]

By the way, I also hope we can keep this thread going! It's such an interesting case to discuss.

 

[MAMABEAR]

Well, if there was a stalker then Caylee is dead and why hold back now from telling about him. If he killed her baby then wouldn't she have said there was a stalker who killed Caylee. Why sit her butt in jail if there was somebody else? She has given NO info to help in this case. The A. family isn't afraid for their lives. I haven't seen any "fear" in any of them. They come and go when they wanna. I just can't buy into a stalker. The A. family isn't the type of peeps who would put up with a stalker. Look at the protesters---hammer--water hose---gittin up in faces. Nah---they ain't scared and they would be telling of one.

 

[USARDOG]

You don't know that. Stalking is not necessarily overt... Trust me...

Your post edited for brevity by me:

Princess, you miss the point, there was no contact, no phone, no email, no personal contact, no contact whatsoever. I believe it was you that put forth the idea that at the party she was contacted by the stalker, and I pointed out that was not possible because she was with friends, and all her cell phone calls have been checked out. There is no contact, not one phone call, not one email... no contact what so ever, this we know. This would leave a stalker that never made contact, and stole Caylee away without her ever seeing who it was, which is not the story she tells. Could she be going to her death to protect a stalker she has never seen, a stalker who killed her daughter... Ahhh No...

The only way you can make this SOD defense work out is if you suspend the laws of nature and gravity. One must make a trip to Hollywood to come up with any plot whatsoever. Add to that her conduct, and it's an open shut, bye KC type deal.

 

[panthera]

Well, if there was a stalker then Caylee is dead and why hold back now from telling about him. If he killed her baby then wouldn't she have said there was a stalker who killed Caylee. Why sit her butt in jail if there was somebody else? She has given NO info to help in this case. The A. family isn't afraid for their lives. I haven't seen any "fear" in any of them. They come and go when they wanna. I just can't buy into a stalker. The A. family isn't the type of peeps who would put up with a stalker. Look at the protesters---hammer--water hose---gittin up in faces. Nah---they ain't scared and they would be telling of one.

The first problem I see with this theory is Casey named the nanny, ZFG, as the one who took Caylee. She said she left Caylee with her at Sawgrass and when she went to pick up Caylee, both ZFG and Caylee were gone. She also said how well she knew ZFG over the years, so ZFG definitely wouldn't have fit into a 'stalker' category.

As I see it, Casey severely limited any possible defenses since she named ZFG instead of possibly saying something like she'd left Caylee in the car for a few minutes and then she was gone. MOO

 

[Brini]

You don't know that. Stalking is not necessarily overt. Have you ever heard of Stephanie Schmidt (Speak out for Stephanie)? Her stalker was a co-worker who she thought was a friend! She trusted him - enough that when he offered her a ride home she took it and he killed her. But she had no indication until then that there was a problem.

I also was stalked by a person I had no previous relationship with - and even when he was doing odd things - I didn't know it was him doing those things and up until he was caught, I trusted him and was friendly towards him - he was the maintenance man in my apartment complex. I had absolutely NO interaction with him which would have caused me to think he was my stalker. Trust me, these things can be very subtle and misinterpreted by the victim until it is too late.

But, if they are SO subtle that no one can name him, and there is no evidence,, the jury won't have any reason to buy it.

That goes for any OTHER SODDI defense.

Given that all of KC's movements were tracked, and calls/texts/emails were collected and reviewed. The SODDI is gonna have to be someone in her social group. And, they've all been investigated.

 

[USARDOG]

KC will have to go against everything she has said in the past, go against all the evidence to come up with any new alibi/SOD defense. I don't see a jury buying it, all BS, no fact is a problem.

 

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(bolding mine)

In that case, someone needs to get it across to her it's time to tell the truth and maybe she can negotiate LWOP instead of risking a death sentence a jury might recommend. :clap::clap::clap:
I honestly am not seeing any plausible SODDI theories as much as I'd like to try. The cadaver dogs hitting on her car trunk along with her own parents' initial reaction to the smell of a dead body coming from it, then add in Caylee's remains found right down the street from the house with items from the house ~ then factor in Casey not reporting Caylee missing, her partying behavior ~ and it seals the deal. MOO

(reply to bold) (applauds)
It is hard to see...But lets see what shows up. There is more then 4 months before the trial.
I hope she gets a good attorney. I really hope it is not a mistrial - because Caylee deserves justice
and if it takes tooooo long anything can happen.

 

[MissJames]

You don't know that. Stalking is not necessarily overt. Have you ever heard of Stephanie Schmidt (Speak out for Stephanie)? Her stalker was a co-worker who she thought was a friend! She trusted him - enough that when he offered her a ride home she took it and he killed her. But she had no indication until then that there was a problem.

I also was stalked by a person I had no previous relationship with - and even when he was doing odd things - I didn't know it was him doing those things and up until he was caught, I trusted him and was friendly towards him - he was the maintenance man in my apartment complex. I had absolutely NO interaction with him which would have caused me to think he was my stalker. Trust me, these things can be very subtle and misinterpreted by the victim until it is too late.

I only see one way this defense would work.....show some proof.Did KC tell anyone she thought she had a stalker? Call LE? were there notes?flowers? phone calls? text messages? anything on the computer?
If there is absolutely no evidence then no one will buy it.
KC would probably have to take the stand to explain this and I don't see that happening.
I hope your stalker was convicted

 

[songline]

But, if they are SO subtle that no one can name him, and there is no evidence,, the jury won't have any reason to buy it.

That goes for any OTHER SODDI defense.

Given that all of KC's movements were tracked, and calls/texts/emails were collected and reviewed. The SODDI is gonna have to be someone in her social group. And, they've all been investigated.

I think PR was thinking about this because KC told her friend not to sit close to the window, and KC also referred to some guy at a party.
That all would be very hard to prove in a court room.

 

[panthera]

(reply to bold) (applauds)
It is hard to see...But lets see what shows up. There is more then 4 months before the trial.
I hope she gets a good attorney. I really hope it is not a mistrial - because Caylee deserves justice
and if it takes tooooo long anything can happen.

I hope she gets a good attorney also. I'd hate to see a conviction overturned for 'ineffective counsel'. :behindbar

 

[USARDOG]

Problem is, KC fenced her self in with her story of Zanny the Nanny. She would have had much better luck with a stranger abduction story. However, it would have meant she had to make a pretense of loss... She just was not capable of it, too selfish, all she could think about was getting on to TonE and the next party. Caylee's blanket that she was discarded in will be a big problem also... Just to much evidence for a SOD defense, IMO.

The best she could do is confess and beg for mercy, I just can't see another way out for her here.

 

[USARDOG]

I've got one for her... The stalker communicated with her by the voices in her head. The voice told her to kill Caylee to save her family... Might get her life instead of the dp.

 

[panthera]

Problem is, KC fenced her self in with her story of Zanny the Nanny. She would have had much better luck with a stranger abduction story. However, it would have meant she had to make a pretense of loss... She just was not capable of it, too selfish, all she could think about was getting on to TonE and the next party. Caylee's blanket that she was discarded in will be a big problem also... Just to much evidence for a SOD defense, IMO.

The best she could do is confess and beg for mercy, I just can't see another way out for her here.

She had to have someone she "knew" as the abductor in order to explain why she didn't call 911, and if she had called them, she wouldn't have been able to go party for 31 days. I agree, the best thing would be to confess and get LWOP.

 

[panthera]

I've got one for her... The stalker communicated with her by the voices in her head. The voice told her to kill Caylee to save her family... Might get her life instead of the dp.

Or that she is ZFG and has MPD. :crazy: That would require a psychiatric diagnosis though.

 

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Problem is, KC fenced her self in with her story of Zanny the Nanny. She would have had much better luck with a stranger abduction story. However, it would have meant she had to make a pretense of loss... She just was not capable of it, too selfish, all she could think about was getting on to TonE and the next party. Caylee's blanket that she was discarded in will be a big problem also... Just to much evidence for a SOD defense.

IMO, the best she could do is confess and beg for mercy, I just can't see another way out for her here.

KC should have told the truth is what the bottom line is.
Now she is knee deep in chit.

The Nanny BS is going to be costly on many levels. SHE better stop with the BS or it will cost her her life.
The things found with the baby are not really a huge problem, because IF she speaks and it is someone she did trust - they could have been at the house a dozen times.

But why all of a sudden is GA involved with these shady people "Foundations" why are these people shelling out money? the "A' s have not worked in almost a year.

Assuming their is nobody involved only KC; WHO is Casey??? Why would these folks bother spending the money?
Who were the two visitors that came to see her in jail when she first got locked up, and why?
They all could have let her rot in there. Many girls do... Big money people are interwoven here...

Assume they were not interwoven - I think she would have had a State attorney, I do not think there would have been a clean up - too risky - .
I think her knees would be shaking so much that she would trip on her own BS.

This is not going to be an easy case for either side.

 

[Brini]

Or that she is ZFG and has MPD. :crazy: That would require a psychiatric diagnosis though.

It would also require a history of fugue, starting in childhood.

DID (MPD) is pretty hard to miss. And, it's thought to usually be iatrogenic (induced by the treator).

KC has never "lost time" (awakened to find that she had driven to another state, say).

 

[Brini]

KC should have told the truth is what the bottom line is.
Now she is knee deep in chit.

The Nanny BS is going to be costly on many levels. SHE better stop with the BS or it will cost her her life.
The things found with the baby are not really a huge problem, because IF she speaks and it is someone she did trust - they could have been at the house a dozen times.

But why all of a sudden is GA involved with these shady people "Foundations" why are these people shelling out money? the "A' s have not worked in almost a year.

Assuming their is nobody involved only KC; WHO is Casey??? Why would these folks bother spending the money?
Who were the two visitors that came to see her in jail when she first got locked up, and why?
They all could have let her rot in there. Many girls do... Big money people are interwoven here...

Assume they were not interwoven - I think she would have had a State attorney, I do not think there would have been a clean up - too risky - .
I think her knees would be shaking so much that she would trip on her own BS.

This is not going to be an easy case for either side.

Who, from Kidfinders, is spending money on KC?

The As are getting paid to go on talk shows. Do we know that they are getting any money from Kidfinders?

 

[USARDOG]

I do not know where the money has come from. However, if there were any connection to the killing, they would have to be as stupid as she is, becuase now eveyone wants to know who is paying. The judge has looked at it, and found no problem, though he is not bound to tell what he found, only that it brought no charges, etc.