The SODDI Defense (Some Other Dude Did It)...If not KC, who?

[songline]

I still believe she put Caylee in the yard, then removed her to the car trunk and eventually put her where she was found. IIRC, that would follow the timeline of the body being approx. 2.5 days decomposed between 6/16 and when Casey borrowed the neighbor's shovel. However since the thread is about SODDI, I can't figure out who would've had access to her car during that same period of time. :waitasec: MOO

In the yard? where the "A"s can find her? Where the dog can bark to bring attention to her? hmmmmm

 

[songline]

Let's not forget about the "script" she claimed she had when she changed her story to JBP as the place where Caylee was taken from. Where is it, who saw it and why doesn't LE have it? Hummmmm ..... another fabrication of the SODDI.

She told her friend that she was saying what she was told to say, a script can me memorized....
Remember she is not talking: all she had to remember is 3-4 main points. SODDI, Nanny, car towed; just saying....

 

[kwmred]

I mentioned this in a post earlier that seems to have gone overlooked...

The decomp evidence said a body was in the car 2.6 days, the car was at Amscott for an estimated 3 days.

It's a stretch but possible that someone could have broken into the car dropped the body and then removed it two-three days later.

Do I believe that? No, but it's possible.

So, with this scenario... where was Caylee for a whole week before?

 

[panthera]

In the yard? where the "A"s can find her? Where the dog can bark to bring attention to her? hmmmmm

Where the cadaver dogs hit ~ in the yard. JG even speculated to this, IIRC. MOO

 

[butwhatif?]

The As did not kill Caylle, and Haleigh Cummings Dad is not getting a foundation nor does anyone else, it seems to me they set one up much later in the process - GA either knew them before somehow, or was contacted for a reason. I don't have all the details, But I am not digging my head in the sand. it smells all the way to NY

(sorry not sure who the above quote is from)

Just in response to this, all you have to do is go to the main page of WS, then google each case along with the word 'foundation' or 'charity'.

It was a while ago but, I think I found that all but 2 have set up their own foundations (some have multiple foundations), with links for donations, and merchandise for sale. And they dont get slammed the way the A's do. In fact there are a few who are regularly praised on this site.
No different from what most people who have lived through the trauma of losing a loved one to murder do, in order to feel like they are doing something worthwhile to heal themselves and help others.

 

[Shear22]

I mentioned this in a post earlier that seems to have gone overlooked...

The decomp evidence said a body was in the car 2.6 days, the car was at Amscott for an estimated 3 days.

It's a stretch but possible that someone could have broken into the car dropped the body and then removed it two-three days later.

Do I believe that? No, but it's possible.

It may be possible, but it's not very reasonable.

 

[countzero]

The As did not kill Caylle, and Haleigh Cummings Dad is not getting a foundation nor does anyone else, it seems to me they set one up much later in the process - GA either knew them before somehow, or was contacted for a reason. I don't have all the details, But I am not digging my head in the sand. it smells all the way to NY

(sorry not sure who the above quote is from)

Just in response to this, all you have to do is go to the main page of WS, then google each case along with the word 'foundation' or 'charity'.

It was a while ago but, I think I found that all but 2 have set up their own foundations (some have multiple foundations), with links for donations, and merchandise for sale. And they dont get slammed the way the A's do. In fact there are a few who are regularly praised on this site.
No different from what most people who have lived through the trauma of losing a loved one to murder do, in order to feel like they are doing something worthwhile to heal themselves and help others.

Differences I see in these cases with missing children and foundations/charities being set-up, is this, plain and simple ...... none of the other families or relatives have alienated the LE and public the way and manner the A's have. The A's have been extremely rude to anyone who dare to question or disagree with them. They have aligned themselves with people who themselves are criminals. Gee, who do ya think people will gravitate towards someone to help? The A's brought this "hatred" or dislike upon them all by themselves. Two videos are worth more than I or anyone could verbally describe as to their behavior.

 

[countzero]

Good reason to close this thread now. and Archive it.

Naw, let'm get a lookie at why it won't work and let LE know we support them :clap:

 

[USARDOG]

Is it possible that there are shady people linked to Casey and they do not want to be? Ah... No...

Is it possible that Casey sold drugs for some guy and owed him lots of money, because she skimmed and promised to pay later? Ah... No...

is it possible that he said I am cutting you off bring the money by tomorrow I am not kidding? Ah... No...

Is it possible that she said I will have the money here hold my car with Caylee and I will go sell this and have the money later... Ah No...

Is it possible that she came up short again and the guy just put caylee in the trunk and told KC she is in deep chit? Ah... No...

And is it possible that this guy is hooked up with some nasty people who have too much to lose, do not want to get looped into this mess, and met up with GA and cooked up a way that they believe will have no one go to jail. With a great clean up and a BS story there is no body to link to the deed. IS IT POSSIBLE? AH>>> WHEN PIGS FLY!>>>

(Red by me)(Your post edited for brevity)

No to all of the above... Johnny C is dead, and that line died and was buried with him... IMO, the answer in this case is, NO, it is not possible.

 

[Shear22]

Maybe, just maybe, Casey really was leaving Caylee to be babysat by a homeless woman (as suggested by another WSer) and this homeless and undocumented immigrant was in fact named ZFG and was squatting in the empty sawgrass apartment, unbeknownst to the management. On the night of June 15th Casey had a fight with Cindy over stolen money, etc. and Casey flew into a rage and either that night or early the next day went out and took out her anger on a pair of innocent squirrels. She strangled them, chloroformed them and threw them in the pool, then duct taped their little mouths and put them in the trunk of her car. Since she and Zanny were such good friends, she told her about the incident when she dropped Caylee off the next day. What Casey didn’t know, though, was that Zanny was an avid animal rights activist and ran off with Caylee, cleared out the apartment and disappeared to teach Casey a lesson, though she didn’t really disappear because she showed up in JBP and gave Casey a script. Around the 26th of June she saw Casey’s car abandoned at the Amscot and when she approached it and smelled the decomp she opened the trunk, removed the squirrels (which she later gave a proper burial), flew into a rage of her own, put duct tape over the mouth of poor little Caylee (who had, in fact, been living it up at the beach and at amusement parks all this time) and killed her to really teach Casey a lesson. She placed the lifeless body in the trunk in order to frame Casey for the murder, removed it 2.6 days later and dumped in the woods off Suburban drive. Oh, right… REASONABLE doubt. Nevermind.

 

[Balthazar]

I mentioned this in a post earlier that seems to have gone overlooked...

The decomp evidence said a body was in the car 2.6 days, the car was at Amscott for an estimated 3 days.

It's a stretch but possible that someone could have broken into the car dropped the body and then removed it two-three days later.

Do I believe that? No, but it's possible.

Technically this is as possible as the body being put in Casey's car after she left the Anthony's on Father's Day.

Do I believe it? No, but it is technically possible.

 

[Balthazar]

Coindy and George have a key to the vehicle. I don't know about Lee. One thing for sure.....the killer would have to know that the vehicle was atAmscott which means Casey would have had to tell someone.

Cindy has tried to claim that Jesse Grund had a key to the car. I don't believe that at all. Just more Cindy-accuse.

Early on, as I recall, Cindy mentioned that if Casey were going to dump the car it wouldn't make sense for her to do it at Amscott which Cindy drove by every single day going to and from work. Frankly, the Amscott is a pretty public place on a very busy road. The car was parked on the left side next to the dumpster, clearly visible from the road in the large parking lot. Anyone driving by might have seen the car there and it is pretty recognizable with the "bra" on the front. In light of Cindy's comment, interesting that she didn't notice the car at the Amscot, particularily, when she was searching for Casey at the time.

Of course TL also knew where the car was parked since he picked Casey up at the car.

Does any of this mean anything? Probably not. But it just shows another opportunity for the defense to show reasonable doubt. The car WAS out of Casey's possession and control for 3 days.

 

[USARDOG]

... interesting that she didn't notice the car at the Amscot, particularily, when she was searching for Casey at the time.

Of course TL also knew where the car was parked since he picked Casey up at the car.

Does any of this mean anything? Probably not. But it just shows another opportunity for the defense to show reasonable doubt. The car WAS out of Casey's possession and control for 3 days.

Interesting? If you say so... The car may have been "out of KC's control for 3 days," after she dumpted it, but I see it as her trying to have the car stolen so she could get rid of the damning evidence in the trunk... Now that... I find interesting. I see it kind'a like your saying... the gun was out of control of the shooter for 3 days after he threw it in the woods. Is it POSSIBLE someone found it in the woods, killed someone with it and then returned it to the spot they found it in...

Also of interest to me is what the security camaras will show.

As far as CA, she also drove by Caylee's resting place dozens of times and she didn't see that either.

 

[Balthazar]

But, if you were researching the case for JB, whom would you choose for SOD, and based on what?

The SO who duct taped the mouth of the 4 year old and got stuff from her house and put her in the garage on a makeshift "bed" within a few miles of the Anthony house looks like a possible suspect to me. But I don't have enough information about him to rule him in or rule him out. If I were working for Baez, I would investigate this man. But ONLY if this fit with whatever Casey has told Baez - without that information, I would not know which direction to go.

The local SO would be a fit IF what Casey told Baez was that she woke up at home and Caylee was gone and Casey had no idea what happened or where Caylee was, so she panicked and didn't want to face her parents (maybe, especially because of the blowup with Cindy the night before - maybe Casey tells Baez that Cindy threatened "one more thing and you are OUT of this house"), so, being someone who only thinks moment to moment and scared her mom will find out about this "one more thing", she fled the house thinking she could find Caylee. Remember how George said they stayed in Casey's room until noon? What if that was true? What if that was because Casey was trying to wait him out until he left for work because Caylee was gone? At 22, Casey is NOT the most mature person, and it wouldn't surprise me to learn that she had done something that makes no sense whatsoever to most people. Afterall, much of what Casey has done over the last few years makes no sense to pretty much everyone. (For example having an illegitimate baby and not requesting child support from the father, stealing from her parents and grandparents and friends, not finishing high school on time. Instead of resigning from work, just not going back in. ) Perhaps emotionally, Casey is more like a 12 year old child. When Caylee disappeared, she thought she could "fix it" before her mom found out. So she maes up lies about going away on a business trip to buy time. Obviously Casey lacks the capacity to think ahead to the logical conclusion of her actions so why would we assume that Casey would respond in a sensible or even logical fashion to the disappearance of her child, particularily with Cindy's threat to throw her out of the house hanging over her head? Anything is possible with someone like this who doesn't think logically and rarely do they ask for help, even when they have the resources and opportunity to do so. Casey may have even found Caylee dead in her trunk and panicked again, tried to cover it up and finally disposed of the body. Or perhaps Caylee was never in her trunk. That part of the evidence is not entirely conclusive.

While to many of us, not calling 911 in such a situation is unthinkable, there are people in our society who don't have enough sense to do that. In this theory, Casey may be one of those people.

 

[USARDOG]

While to many of us, not calling 911 in such a situation is unthinkable, there are people in our society who don't have enough sense to do that. In this theory, Casey may be one of those people.

(Edit by me)

However, as I recall, kc didn't have any problem calling 911 when the protestors were getting rowdy out side of her house.

 

[kwmred]

Princess Rose,

Please stop referring to Caylee as a 4 year old. She didn't even live long enough to reach 3 years old. Sorry, but everytime I see that I think you're talking about some other child.

What in the evidence available to us makes you think there was a sex offender involved?

Also, KC certainly has shown that she does know how to call 911.

 

[butwhatif?]

Princess Rose,

Please stop referring to Caylee as a 4 year old. She didn't even live long enough to reach 3 years old. Sorry, but everytime I see that I think you're talking about some other child.

What in the evidence available to us makes you think there was a sex offender involved?

Also, KC certainly has shown that she does know how to call 911.

She wasnt talking about caylee being 4, but a recent victim of an attempted abduction in orlando by an SO....
ETA: this is a perfect example of how misreading something can cloud your judgement.And how quickly people can rush to judgement even though they are WRONG!

Show me the investigations into locals SO's, and maybe we could show you some direct evidence linking the crime to them....or maybe we could eliminate them.
Either way we dont know, because KC has been the major focus of all evidence gathering from day 31.
Of course the evidence we have points to KC if that is the only person that was thoroughly investigated.
And way before any evidence was released in the investigation of KC, most folks had her pinned as guilty as sin and refuse to even consider alternatives and continue to twist the true facts of this case.
JMO

 

[Danish Spy]

Let's not forget about the "script" she claimed she had when she changed her story to JBP as the place where Caylee was taken from. Where is it, who saw it and why doesn't LE have it? Hummmmm ..... another fabrication of the SODDI.

And how did she get the script from the bad guys?

 

[christee]

No, Kc's behavior is not a result of simple immaturity.
You don't party and carry on like nothing has happened, when your 2 y/o child's been gone for 31 days!

 

[cecybeans]

If some SO did this and KC kept her mouth shut so she could go party and cope ugly, then isn't she an accessory to Murder One? If all possible, not reasonable but possible, avenues are to be thoroughly investigated, then we can also blame KC for being so uncooperative as to give no verifiable information whatsoever as to the direction LE should look? Obstructing justice (lying to LE) is also a crime if I'm not mistaken. It's not generally one that innocent people use to further their defense.

If "true facts" are being twisted what exactly are these facts? Are they available to LE or the general public? If they exist, where can we find them and, more importantly, why didn't her defense use them to get her exonerated in a speedy trial and prevent the public from being "prejudiced" by them, spending less time on GR's boat and more time filing gag orders instead of fighting them?

If KC is so innocent then why has everything the defense done been counterintuitive to good defense strategies and counterproductive to the case?