The state Rests in The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #12

[FrayedKnot]

Really how much more vulnerable and terrifying would it be than to be attacked, naked, in the shower? Vs. asleep in bed? Which she had every opportunity to do. This tells me she wanted to enjoy this killing, wanted to feel the power, wanted him to be conscious and aware and terrified as she was taking his life and exerting this control over him.

Horribly, tragically, right before Christmas this year one of my dear friends was shot in her sleep by her husband who then shot himself. We didn't know this detail for a few weeks, that she was asleep. It provided a tiny spot of relief in this horrible horrible event. But to me, that was a desperate man who was suicidal (and obviously homicidal) and just wanted them both to be gone (she was leaving him...sigh). Not justifying it obviously but comparing these horrific crimes. He was not a person like Jodi who was not so much tortured herself but wanted to torture. No freaking abuse expert will EVER EVER justify that, even if she was an abuse victim.

And that leads me to say (which I'm sure I will again when this person testifies) SHAME ON HER for associating true victims of domestic violence with pathological lying, stalking and premeditated homicide. SHAME ON HER. SHAME SHAME SHAME

I am afraid JA has no shame, Katie. Nor much of any other human emotion. :furious:

 

[Snoopy1]

Well I think that could be from overuse and she looked like this wasnt her first rodeo to me.

IMO

Yea, thats true too. :giggle:

 

[laniefi]

Yea, thats true too. :giggle:

I soooooo did not see the same pictures you folks did!

:blushing:

 

[Laceybug]

I appreciate your warnings. Scared to watch it right now. Sounds like it's going to rip my heart out.

I watched that Zachary movie last night and REALLY wish that I hadn't. It's one of the saddest and most heart breaking stories I've ever heard or seen. The system is broken... not just here in the US but everywhere! I will never understand the patience of those parents. My heart still breaks for them... their son and their grand baby. Saddest story EVER!!

 

[minor4th]

WARNING GRAPHIC PHOTOS IN SERIES:
http://s1352.beta.photobucket.com/user/tabularasa6/media/ja29_zps972487d2.jpg.html?sort=3&o=45

In the above photo, looks like the edge of a door is visible.
Is it carpet or tile? Looks like it could be carpet to me.
If carpet, must be bedroom?
Is that the side of TA's head in the upper left?


Minor4th's Table of Pics shows description of #163 as, BBM:

"163 -- 5:33:32 - floor board, travis bleeding in top left; camera upside down and on the floor; unallocated space"
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I'm not sure if the top linked photo is #163 but subject matter is the same.

I do not think its clear what that picture is. The reason I described it that way in the chart is because that's what the testimony was. He compared the dripping blood in the previous photo to what appears to be similar brownish red streaks and the clear implication was that the photo is another view of Travis bleeding on the floor.

 

[FrayedKnot]

I'm behind... and dont know if anyone has answered this... but for instance.. on facebook if someone is on chat and sends you a message... (when you dont have the chat open) it will show up as a message. When you reply and then they reply (if you show to be offline) each response will show up as a message. They used Gmail and I'm not totally sure but I believe it acts the same way. When you send someone a msg through chat.. if they are offline it shows up as a message in the email. I would suspect their conversations would add up pretty quick. MOO

Yes. When Mr. Knot and I first began our renewed courtship, we lived in different states and were both busy and not able to talk on the phone all the time. We emailed some, and also used Yahoo messenger which are like texts, but are on your Yahoo email addy. This was also back in 2008, so makes sense if those gmail chats are in the email count. :twocents:

 

[Snoopy1]

I soooooo did not see the same pictures you folks did!

:blushing:

you dont want to honey, I promise you that! :what:

 

[minor4th]

Beth K reported that in her analysis of things, she thinks Jodi is actually turning his body around at the end of the hallway in those pics so she can drag his body down the hall.

That's exactly what I think it is

 

[FrayedKnot]

Yeah my hubby had the same reaction when I showed him. He said WTH ...he doesnt even have a **** on and he said what guy wants a pic like that?

He thinks JA took the photos of herself and that Travis wasnt receptive to having his photos taken.

imo

I think he didn't have a w@@dy because it was taken post-coitally. It looks flaccid, but in more of a spent way than in a "at rest" way, if YKWIM.

 

[Laceybug]

Oh, and don't forget all the FRIENDS she will have in her new home.
Someone will put her in her place too!!! Never been, but I don't think
there are any women in prison that will take her BS..

I think she will fit right in... and she will thrive in prison. She is a master manipulator and in prison she will be at the top of her game. I couldnt believe the women holding up signs in the Arizona Reporters story the other night. Perhaps they were wanting their 20 seconds of fame.... but I'm sure that JA has everyone there twisted just enough to buy her sob stories. People in jail aren't all the bright anyway... or they wouldnt be there in the first place. She already has her followers... I'll never understand the mentality it takes to follow a known psychotic killer. SMH

 

[laniefi]

I think he didn't have a w@@dy because it was taken post-coitally. It looks flaccid, but in more of a spent way than in a "at rest" way, if YKWIM.

And still "red" as some folks noted...

 

[Quester]

Inside The Mind Of Accused Murderer [JA]
By David Lohr; Posted: 01/24/2013 1:05 pm EST | Updated: 01/24/2013 2:00 pm EST

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/24/inside-the-mind-of-jodi-arias_n_2528011.html

 

[Snoopy1]

And still "red" as some folks noted...

just another thought here - but do we know if the KY was a warming one? You know how they have the yours and mine and the Intense kind?? It heats up with friction. That could be why he is red there...

 

[JusticeJunkie]

I have to take my computer in for repair soon, and I dread what they will think when they see the links to all of those pics!!!!

 

[Laceybug]

I look at that photo and get sad all over again.

To think Travis's body laid there for days and only that small amount of blood that is shown is all he had left to spill when he was put there is heartbreaking.

The picture shows him laying in the shower. I read in some report that when they found him he was sitting in the shower. MOO I believe when she placed him in the shower he was in a sitting position but due to time and gravity he slid down into the position the crime photos show. There is one picture that shows a lot of dried blood on the back of his leg (thigh) after seeing the picture of the empty shower stall and all the blood it would only make sense that he was placed in there in a sitting position and later slid down. Does anyone else share this thought?

 

[Linda7NJ]

What does happen to our pubic hair when we remove it from our bodies and where does it go?



:scratchead: .Down the shower drain? We must sleuth what they keep asking so they will stop running that rediculous commercial!

That commercial convinced me to never ever waste my time watching that stupid show.

 

[LambChop]

Honestly, I think those questions were born from some jurors or a juror sort of forgetting that she'd already admitted committing the murder. They were told that in opening statements then taken on a journey of unfolding stories /lies of Jodi's and what would appear to be a prosecution proving that it was in fact her who was there and committing this crime. They haven't really had the real problem to solve laid out for them..which will happen in the defense case. WHY she did this murder...not IF.

With the only exposure they've gotten and are getting, I can see how it would all, at that stage, be kind of confusing. And they aren't talking to each other either about it. The second a juror says "maybe the roommates are involed" a more "withit" juror says "but remember, she already admitted she committed this crime on her own". "ohyeah that's right".

Not trying to be indelicate but there are a couple of quite elderly jurors on the panel and let's face it, not everyone in the general population is exceedingly bright.

As in someone Jodi's age. She's certainly not coming up as being bright. She's just able to manipulate people because she has obviously had a lot of practice. I think the older jurors are less likely to buy into her self-defense theory. jmo

 

[Linda7NJ]

Honestly, I think those questions were born from some jurors or a juror sort of forgetting that she'd already admitted committing the murder. They were told that in opening statements then taken on a journey of unfolding stories /lies of Jodi's and what would appear to be a prosecution proving that it was in fact her who was there and committing this crime. They haven't really had the real problem to solve laid out for them..which will happen in the defense case. WHY she did this murder...not IF.

With the only exposure they've gotten and are getting, I can see how it would all, at that stage, be kind of confusing. And they aren't talking to each other either about it. The second a juror says "maybe the roommates are involed" a more "withit" juror says "but remember, she already admitted she committed this crime on her own". "ohyeah that's right".

Not trying to be indelicate but there are a couple of quite elderly jurors on the panel and let's face it, not everyone in the general population is exceedingly bright.

Stupid doesn't discriminate by age. IMO. If anything, I'd think the seniors would get it right.

 

[laniefi]

just another thought here - but do we know if the KY was a warming one? You know how they have the yours and mine and the Intense kind?? It heats up with friction. That could be why he is red there...

I think those are smaller bottles (blue and purple)....

The pic I saw (with his manhood blurred out) the bottle was white w/ blue which I thought was the plain ol kind.

ETA - if anyone ever sees my google history I will be MORTIFIED!!!!!!!

 

[minor4th]

I have to say this though it won't be popular.

I think the reason that the jurors had the questions they did was because they feel (at this point) that "something isn't right" with the witnesses testimony.

I started out watching this being completely objective. I didn't know about the case, nor did I have any preconceived notions.

I felt Flores was cagey. Although his video'd interrogation was mostly superb, his testimony in court felt very engineered, like it was designed to only reveal pro-prosecution info, but that he was withholding stuff. I can't think of an example right now, but I had a distinct impression.

Then Melendez testified and I felt a similar feeling. On direct, Juan got Melendez to say that the last activity on the computer was at 3:34PM. BUT THEN in cross, the defense confirmed, after an objection and sidebar which was apparent to the jury, that the actual last activity on the computer was 4:54PM. That's over an hour difference. Maybe it's an innocent mistake, but there was an objection by Juan and a sidebar to discuss this timing difference.

The ME testimony in some ways does not seem to match his report, and there is the whole deal about whether he spoke with Flores about the gunshot being first, which Flores put into his report. While the ME may never have said this, the controversy may well be causing the jury to wonder about what he might be withholding or hiding or even misrepresenting.

I think the jury may be picking up on some feelings of having something pertinent purposely withheld from them. Whether it makes a difference or not, who knows, but no one likes feeling manipulated by misinformation or partial truths, IMO.

There are some other things I noticed, but I can't think of them right now. But something doesn't feel right.

That said, the more I learn, the more I personally feel that this was premeditated. But I am eagerly awaiting JA's "story". If nothing else, it should be fascinating.

I completely agree with this, as much as I hate to criticize the prosecution. Like I said, Flores, Melendez and Horn all seemed overly willing to answer what the prosecution wanted to hear.

I thought Flores was pretty good but seemed bored. And I am not entirely satisfied with the explanation about the contradictory testimonies about the sequence.

Horns testimony seems to be a little off from his report that was made at the time of the autopsy.

Melendez was practically leaping in with answers he thought the prosecutor wanted. At one point, Melendez said a time stamp was 5:30:12 and Juan asked if it wasn't something else and Melendez quickly changed his answer to what he thought Juan wanted. Turns outhit original answer was correct but Juan got mixed up on which pic they were looking at. So then Juan had to go back and correct Melendez' testimony to restore his original answer. That bugged me!

Also, as I've said before, I think it gives the wrong feeling for Flores to be sitting at counsel table like he's an advocate for the prosecution. It might subconsciously plant an idea with the jurors that Florss' testimony is going to be biased for the prosecution and should be discounted or questioned.

There is so much evidence against Jodi that none of these things is necessary to assure a conviction on the plain evidence.