The state Rests in The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #12

[katiecoolady]

I wonder if any of the jurors are LDS. Just as a bit of trivia, Mesa, AZ has the largest Mormon population in the US second to Salt Lake City. The Mormon Temple here is huge and very popular. People also come to research geneology there (Mormons and otherwise) as apparently has the largest bank of that kind of info than most anywhere else. I think.

 

[popsicle]

Why would she ask about the computer virus KNOWING there was no virus ?

To explain the spying program she put on there?

 

[katiecoolady]

this is AMAZING!!! Thank you!! :rocker:

In the last image.... I know it was talked about, but does anyone else think that looks like it might be TA's hand? Maybe as its dropping to the floor while she is dragging him? I dont know why, but I think it looks like a hand to me.

Beth K reported that in her analysis of things, she thinks Jodi is actually turning his body around at the end of the hallway in those pics so she can drag his body down the hall.

 

[katiecoolady]

To explain the spying program she put on there?

OMG did she put one of those on his computer???

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I have to say this though it won't be popular.

I think the reason that the jurors had the questions they did was because they feel (at this point) that "something isn't right" with the witnesses testimony.

I started out watching this being completely objective. I didn't know about the case, nor did I have any preconceived notions.

I felt Flores was cagey. Although his video'd interrogation was mostly superb, his testimony in court felt very engineered, like it was designed to only reveal pro-prosecution info, but that he was withholding stuff. I can't think of an example right now, but I had a distinct impression.

Then Melendez testified and I felt a similar feeling. On direct, Juan got Melendez to say that the last activity on the computer was at 3:34PM. BUT THEN in cross, the defense confirmed, after an objection and sidebar which was apparent to the jury, that the actual last activity on the computer was 4:54PM. That's over an hour difference. Maybe it's an innocent mistake, but there was an objection by Juan and a sidebar to discuss this timing difference.

The ME testimony in some ways does not seem to match his report, and there is the whole deal about whether he spoke with Flores about the gunshot being first, which Flores put into his report. While the ME may never have said this, the controversy may well be causing the jury to wonder about what he might be withholding or hiding or even misrepresenting.

I think the jury may be picking up on some feelings of having something pertinent purposely withheld from them. Whether it makes a difference or not, who knows, but no one likes feeling manipulated by misinformation or partial truths, IMO.

There are some other things I noticed, but I can't think of them right now. But something doesn't feel right.

That said, the more I learn, the more I personally feel that this was premeditated. But I am eagerly awaiting JA's "story". If nothing else, it should be fascinating.

I dont know about being popular Boodles. I dont think this is a popularity issue and all opinions are welcome.

However I dont have one problem with the questions asked. First, I have read that these questions had been accumulating over the days and days Flores was called back to testify. The Judge held them to the end of his testimony to ask them all at one time.

I thought Flores' demeanor was very much like he showed in the interrogation videos with JA. Seems to be a pleasant man who just answers the questions asked ......honestly and matter of fact like he should. That is the way cops are trained.

I believe they are ruling out questions as they go along. By the time the questions were presented they may have already had the answer. 5 questions compared to the length Flores was on the stand isnt very much. In fact with 20witnesses the questions overall have not been that many.

I do believe the ME report does match his opinion. He just couldnt exactly see the path of the bullet due to the decomposition. But the frontal lobe in someones Travis' age sit right up against the skull. So its simple to me no matter if decomp had destroyed him knowing where all the bullet went before it finally landed in the left cheek..... we do know that the brain sit right on the other side up against the bone where the bullet went in. It didnt miraculously put on the breaks in mid air and all of a sudden stop. The bullet before it enters the head is traveling at 1000 feet per second.

So Im not worried in the least by these questions in fact someone on that jury is pretty smart by asking Flores if he had searched Travis' BMW that they all know JODI had in her possession.

I think they are going to do the right thing because the evidence in this case is beyond overwhelming. To not do so they would have to completely dismiss all the boocoodle of evidence that has been entered. That isnt going to happen imo.

I cant wait for closing arguments. Juan has soooo much to work with.

IMO

 

[zoey]

But she thought it was dog poop.

IMO it very well could have been a combo. Napoleon wasn't housebroken very well.



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Pugs think indoor plumbing is available :seeya:
I would also add that I'm way more sensitive to smells than husband

 

[Boodles]

That's why the defense cross examines. If they had proof the testimony was slanted or evidence withheld, it would come out. jmo I do understand what you are saying tho, I had the same sort of feeling.

I'm not terribly worried about how you or I feel, but I do worry that the jury could feel as though they're not being dealt an honest rendition. I mean, why else are they asking those questions. And as Jean on HLN said, it must be more than one juror asking due to the semantics used in the phrasing of the questions.

I think part of this is that this trial is not a straight murder trial. The prosecution is trying to prove 2 things: 1) that JA murdered TA, with premeditation and/or felonious murder; and simultaneously, although "unofficially," 2) that TA did not harm JA. And that requires walking a fine line at times. They have to be very careful about what they reveal so as not to feed any feelings of sympathy the jury may develop for JA. It makes my hair hurt just thinking about doing both things simultaneously. They have to be sure not to do anything that could cause them to trip over their own feet on cross or rebuttal.

 

[popsicle]

Beth K reported that in her analysis of things, she thinks Jodi is actually turning his body around at the end of the hallway in those pics so she can drag his body down the hall.

I think I agree, if you turn the picture upside down I think I see where the blood is running down his shoulder area.

 

[atthelake]

What does happen to our pubic hair when we remove it from our bodies and where does it go?



:scratchead: .Down the shower drain? We must sleuth what they keep asking so they will stop running that rediculous commercial!

 

[JusticeJunkie]

Roommates statements on now.

 

[katiecoolady]

I'm not terribly worried about how you or I feel, but I do worry that the jury could feel as though they're not being dealt an honest rendition. I mean, why else are they asking those questions. And as Jean on HLN said, it must be more than one juror asking due to the semantics used in the phrasing of the questions.

I think part of this is that this trial is not a straight murder trial. The prosecution is trying to prove 2 things: 1) that JA murdered TA, with premeditation and/or felonious murder; and simultaneously, although "unofficially," 2) that TA did not harm JA. And that requires walking a fine line at times. They have to be very careful about what they reveal so as not to feed any feelings of sympathy the jury may develop for JA. It makes my hair hurt just thinking about doing both things simultaneously. They have to be sure not to do anything that could cause them to trip over their own feet on cross or rebuttal.

Honestly, I think those questions were born from some jurors or a juror sort of forgetting that she'd already admitted committing the murder. They were told that in opening statements then taken on a journey of unfolding stories /lies of Jodi's and what would appear to be a prosecution proving that it was in fact her who was there and committing this crime. They haven't really had the real problem to solve laid out for them..which will happen in the defense case. WHY she did this murder...not IF.

With the only exposure they've gotten and are getting, I can see how it would all, at that stage, be kind of confusing. And they aren't talking to each other either about it. The second a juror says "maybe the roommates are involed" a more "withit" juror says "but remember, she already admitted she committed this crime on her own". "ohyeah that's right".

Not trying to be indelicate but there are a couple of quite elderly jurors on the panel and let's face it, not everyone in the general population is exceedingly bright.

 

[FrayedKnot]

Hmmm I don't think so. but that sister is also in court. They just seem to focus more on Tanisha. Probably because her emotions are so readable on her face.

The other one is Samantha who is a police officer. Not sure where, though.

 

[lonetraveler]

I think they're going to claim he had her pinned to the floor and she reached around him to stab him in the back.


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Yep, but I think her arms would have to be Michael Jordan length in order to do that.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I wonder if any of the jurors are LDS. Just as a bit of trivia, Mesa, AZ has the largest Mormon population in the US second to Salt Lake City. The Mormon Temple here is huge and very popular. People also come to research geneology there (Mormons and otherwise) as apparently has the largest bank of that kind of info than most anywhere else. I think.

What I found interesting is they rate certain sins over others.

Mimi mentioned that if one is having sex before marriage they can go to the Bishop and confess.

But she stressed if someone knew about abuse or murder the church would expect the person to come forward.

When she mentioned murder I bet the defense attorney hated that.

IMO

 

[popsicle]

OMG did she put one of those on his computer???

I don't know, just guessing. Considering she had his passwords and I would guess he changed them... she had to get them again somehow. If she had access to his computer she could get them there if he saves them like many do. But, the easiest way to keep track of someone is by putting a keystroke program on the computer. I did this with my girls when they were young.

 

[laniefi]

Beth K reported that in her analysis of things, she thinks Jodi is actually turning his body around at the end of the hallway in those pics so she can drag his body down the hall.

Yeah, <sarcasm not directed at you> cause you really care about moving the body of someone who attacked you in a life or death struggle....

What an idiot - any innocent person would get the heck outta that house and called 911...

I don't think I have ever seen a "slam dunk" case but this has got to be close....

 

[lonetraveler]

This may have already been addressed here but I haven't seen it so I've got to say, if the camera could have been set on a time delay, then why are there only photos of Jodi by herself and Travis by himself but none of the couple together doing all this kinky sex? You would think that Jodi would want photos of the "act" in order to use it effectively. Makes my wonder if she took her own photos by herself and then sneaked a few in of Travis without him knowing it.

 

[LadyEdith]

It was a trap, a photo shoot meant only to get Travis in a confined & vulnerable position to thrust that knife into his chest. IMO Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

And to keep him in the shower where all blood would be contained and washed away---NO CLEAN UP. Things did not go as planned, and that was how she ended up leaving the palm print--and how the really incriminating photo of her dragging T was taken. If it had gone according to plan, he would have stayed in the shower with his stabs and bullet/s (I think she would have used both no matter what because she wanted it to look like two assailants), all blood and gore would have washed away. She still would have probably ended up with the cut palm because (as Flores said) it's common in stabbings for the stabber to cut themselves because the knife handle gets very slick with blood, the hand slips on the handle and the palm gets cut), but it would have been much neater. As for the camera, I don't know if she would have been motivated to do laundry if he had stayed in the shower the whole time.

 

[popsicle]

Yeah, <sarcasm not directed at you> cause you really care about moving the body of someone who attacked you in a life or death struggle....

What an idiot - any innocent person would get the heck outta that house and called 911...

I don't think I have ever seen a "slam dunk" case but this has got to be close....

I thought OJ was a slam dunk.

 

[Snoopy1]

call me crazy, but I dont think he knew she was taking pics untill the 11th picture in the series posted by Harmony2.... timed at 5:27:16

they dont look posed to me AT ALL. Looks lieka guy enjoying a shower and minding his own until he sees her with the camera. I think maybe, just maybe at that point he knew something wasnt right..... Poor Travis.