The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #13 *ADULT CONTENT*

[LambChop]

Hello ex-neighbors (LambChop & Linda).....still a Jersey girl here at heart. Always....:seeya:

Something happened with that quote and it split. I don't live in Jersey, although I do have relatives in South Jersey. I presently in northeastern North Carolina.

 

[LambChop]

I think I see it in the reflection! After thinking about it more, what I thought was a skeleton is really the light colored shirt under the short, dark jacket and the folds of the pants. I think I can also make out the camera flash in the center and a dark object on the right. (The dark object isn't clear enough to make out a gun, and neither are the hands.) Keep in mind people that this image is blown up 3,000 pixels. I'm very familiar with Photoshop and this is major distortion. It would be good to have a less pixelated smaller version with which to compare...

Could the dark object to the right be the bathroom sink?

 

[Nova]

I believe that the verdict in the OJ trial was jury nullification.

I think that's entirely possible, callyn.

But the prosecution didn't help.

I think it's also possible that although those of us who lived on the West Side of LA (including Brentwood) knew that 40 cops weren't going to risk their careers to instantly frame a sports celebrity of any color, framing a black man wasn't such a stretch to a jury from the inner-city. The Rampart scandal a few years later proved that cops in poorer areas were indeed framing people left and right.

On the other hand, you may be right and the Simpson jury may have been repaying years of LE corruption. And that would indeed by "jury nullification".

 

[kscornfed]

I do believe that is a bend in the photo....like someone is holding it.

where did this picture come from? why haven't we seen this one before and where does it fall in the sequence of those we HAVE seen? anyone know?

 

[Nova]

I've seen too many people in my life that weren't capable of taking great notes and listening simultaneously. I know I do much better listening, and jotting down some key things during a break. If I listen intently, I have no need to write anything down. Some folks just want to write everything down....and end up missing key concepts. I wish they could be trained on effective note taking....or rely on memory and read backs.

I don't have a link, Linda, but classes I've taken suggest you are in the minority. Tests show we remember X% of what we hear, Y% of what we see or read and Z% of what we write down. X+Y+Z>X

In my case, I take copious notes (in court, in class, in a meeting) and then rarely have to refer to my notes at all. The act of taking them is also the act of memorizing them.

But that's just me. I'm not doubting that you know what works best for you.

 

[Nova]

But they can't come back, withdraw the self defense claim and go with some other dude did it. Iirc

I think they could in theory if they could convince the judge that new evidence had convinced them that "self defense" no longer applied. (Let's say Arias confessed to her counsel that she killed TA out of jealousy instead. I think JA's lawyers would be compelled to change their affirmative claim of self-defense or the judge would have to allow them to withdraw from the case.)

But doing so would kill any credibility the defense team had with the jury. (Or so one would think: I'm still scratching my head at the Anthony jury believing Baez after he failed to prove so many things he promised to prove.)

 

[kscornfed]

Oh. My. God. ... Just watched a video of ALL the TA shower pictures -- back-to-back with timestamps & PAUSES, so you can understand how much time lapsed between each pic being taken.

There's even a different photo I'd not seen of Travis in shower, where his facial expression shows absolute incredulity. I mean, his EYEBROWS have jumped HIGH upon his forehead; his mouth is open; he may even be making a balled fist.

Have you seen this particular shower photo?
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...70776896.54624.160510210691796&type=1&theater

P.S. Here's the timed-out sequence of all the still shots via a video:
TravisAlexander_zpsad4bd0f7.mp4 video by wasthinking - Photobucket

i like this video because it shows how much time this all took. i think there are people (maybe jurors) who can't believe she did what she did in such a short time period, but that time between the sitting photo and the dragging picture seems long when you're watching this----certainly long enough to shoot and stab someone in a frenzy and begin to drag them back into the shower.

in fact, this makes the whole thing much easier to feel how long this whole encounter actually lasted from beginning to end.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Oh. My. God. ... Just watched a video of ALL the TA shower pictures -- back-to-back with timestamps & PAUSES, so you can understand how much time lapsed between each pic being taken.

There's even a different photo I'd not seen of Travis in shower, where his facial expression shows absolute incredulity. I mean, his EYEBROWS have jumped HIGH upon his forehead; his mouth is open; he may even be making a balled fist.

Have you seen this particular shower photo?
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...70776896.54624.160510210691796&type=1&theater

P.S. Here's the timed-out sequence of all the still shots via a video:
TravisAlexander_zpsad4bd0f7.mp4 video by wasthinking - Photobucket

I have watched this video three times now and it has made me feel like I was standing by the stalker/murderer standing in that bathroom with Travis. It leaves me so heartbroken for this young man.

The new photo I havent seen before of him looking as if he sees Jodi for the very first time is one I will never forget and two minutes after the 5:28:17 photo was taken he is laying on the floor either dead or dying.

But thanks so much for linking that video. It really does make it come together and what Travis was doing minutes before he died and after.

IMO

 

[Nova]

We won't know until her case is in progress and either she takes the stand or the judge asks her if she waives her right to testify. I can't imagine any lawyer would allow her to but all of these defense attorneys on TV keep saying she will have to. I just don't have a read on this.

I'm sure her attorneys would prefer JA did not testify. But without any direct or circumstantial evidence that supports her self-defense claim, she may have no other choice. It's not universal, but I think it's pretty common for a defendant to testify when there is an affirmative claim like "self-defense".

 

[LambChop]

Lambchop please join several of us here with our wine after 5!
All are welcome!
Now I need to go get mine! I'm behind tonight!
Cheers!

I'll have to catch up tonight after I move my tree to the garage. lol

 

[Melanie]

You sure do get a feel for how much TIME she was operating with. That minute seems like forever! Yes he does look surprised in that one pic. I still think by the time he was sittingon the shower floor, she had some kind of weapon on him, threatening and ordering him.

I have to agree with you there. I recall in one of her interviews with detective flores and he told her about the photos in the shower. She replied "I don't think Travis would allow that".

Truth comes out in bits n' pieces. Travis probably didn't allow that, IMHO, and it's quite possible he already had a gun pointed at him.

Just my opinion.

Mel

 

[miss.krissy]

Rorschach Test, anyone???? :what:

I don't see it at all. Anyone?

 

[LambChop]

Just to be clear, jury instructions are read TO the jury by the judge before the jurors are sent to deliberate.

Whether the jurors get to "read" the instructions depends on the jurisdiction, I think. When I was on a jury, we had to request that specific instructions be reread to us by the judge, just as we had to request that testimony be reread to us. We weren't given hard copies of either.

I asked and was told that a lot of court rules stem from the days when many jurors weren't literate. It was thought that jurors who could read would have an advantage if printed material were given to the jurors (because those who could read could "prove" their point with the printed pages, whether it was written or not).

For the same reason, up through 1985, New York State didn't even allow jurors to take notes. (This may have changed.)

The jury I was on was provided with written instructions, plus the judge read them outloud in court. I believe it is a good idea to give them the written instructions also so the foreman can go over them if there were any questions. jmo

 

[JusticeJunkie]

Is there a standard for who and when a jury foreperson is designated? Is it decided when they start deliberating?

 

[Quester]

[MFurhman on Fox w/GVS: believes gunshot first; talks about sequence, changing weapons; rage killing; said Baden believes gunshot first also]

1/25/13: Video: Jodi Arias her own worst enemy?
http://video.foxnews.com/v/2119893464001/

 

[claudicici]

was that new showerpic even shown to the jury?
I wished the jury would have seen the video with the time sequence.I think after seeing it there is no doubt in my mind that Travis had no idea she was there.It also shows that there indeed was enough time to stab someone that many times between the last alive and the dragging picture.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

[MFurhman on Fox w/GVS: believes gunshot first; talks about sequence, changing weapons; rage killing; said Baden believes gunshot first also]

1/25/13: Video: Jodi Arias her own worst enemy?
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDQQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.foxnews.com%2Fv%2F2119893464001%2F&ei=cfsDUZ7FMIGDjAKDwYHwAQ&usg=AFQjCNFay5z--XJpde7Vg_X-GyDWtzx73g

Frankly I couldnt care less what these two have to say after the fact who have never been a part of this case.

But I have no doubt that Baden would love to be a hired gun for the defense.

IMO

 

[kscornfed]

was that new showerpic even shown to the jury?
I wished the jury would have seen the video with the time sequence.I think after seeing it there is no doubt in my mind that Travis had no idea she was there.It also shows that there indeed was enough time to stab someone that many times between the last alive and the dragging picture.

IMO, it would be good to show that video in their closing argument. i have no idea if they will, but i think it would be very effective. the pauses, while not long, SEEM long, and it may make the whole thing more 'real' to them.

 

[JusticeJunkie]

There has just GOT to be a reason the DT is so married to this sequence.
I wondered at first, if they were just trying to prove their point about Flores, discrediting him in order to file for a mistrial.
But the sequence must have more to do with even the DP. It almost has to be that that is the only one that fits their theory of self defense.

 

[LambChop]

Frankly I couldnt care less what these two have to say after the fact who have never been a part of this case.

But I have no doubt that Baden would love to be a hired gun for the defense.

IMO

I don't think defense would go anywhere near the shot to the head first looking at those pictures. He is down on the shower floor. The shot enters the side of his head above the right eye and travels downward. That indicates he was still sitting down. There is no way he could have attacked her in that position. I don't think they will challenge the ME as a stab to the chest indicates he was probably standing from what I understood. jmo