The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #13 *ADULT CONTENT*

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I tried to "re dye" my bleach blond hair back to natural brown once and it ended up broccoli GREEN!!! :floorlaugh:
IMO she would have needed 2 boxes, I still wonder if she didn't stop in somewhere and have it done....

The truck stop sounds like a very viable option. $10.00 for a full bath. Each totally separate from the others. Toilet, sink,vanity with plugs for hair dryer/curling iron etc... Large shower (plenty of room to rinse well...) They even supply the towels and wash cloths...
Some are even "spa like" some ARE NOT! :puke:


eta: some truck stops may even sell hair dye... they sell almost everything else!

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yeah, that's what I was thinking about the bleach blond to brown -- a rush job might not turn out so well!

I drive back and forth between cali and az quite a bit and of course I've not been in every single truck stop along the route, but I've been in some and they were decidedly un-spa-like. lol Then again, I'm probably not the person to judge the issue. I'd rather go without water for an 6 hour drive (and I have!) than have to use the restroom at a gas station or truck stop. blechhh
 
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:floorlaugh: Katiecoolady obviously kidnapped Vinnie Politan this weekend during a lull on InSession, and is forcing him to pose for her wearing Justin Bieber's old hair. (Is that avatar abuse?)

Or maybe Katiecoolady really IS Vinnie Politan, loves Justin Bieber's old hair style, and was only pretending to be the smiling blonde.....hmmmmm....

Yet another mystery to be solved at WS!:shush: I'm wondering if there was wine involved......

(I enjoy your posts Vinnie/ Katiecoolady-- just teasing a bit!)

Huh huh? You talkin to me?

Hey I'll just tell you that I posted on Jean Casarez Facebook page last week a (somewhat snarky) comment about Alyce Violette and she just today wrote me back...on her page!

May I quote:


Jean Casarez I hadn't thought of that Kathy. So smart you are! Watch for that on the cross exam.


And of course this was just hours after I *became* Vinnie Bieber.

Coincidence? I think not!:floorlaugh:
 
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I feel as premeditation has been established i.e. rental car (yeah I know maybe she didn't want to put mileage on her own car).
having a gun AND a knife in the bathroom.

I think Jodi is a psycho.

However, I keep my old car that is paid for. If I travel any distance, I rent a car. It is cheaper than car payments and if there is a problem, it is their problem.

Red cars driven by younger girls have been identified as hazardous by accident data. So, LE is on the lookout.

I just bring these up as ideas that could be used to deny premeditation.

And it could be said that Travis likes dark haired girls, so after talking to him and he begging her to come, she dyed her hair.
 
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I think Jodi is a psycho.

However, I keep my old car that is paid for. If I travel any distance, I rent a car. It is cheaper than car payments and if there is a problem, it is their problem.

Red cars driven by younger girls have been identified as hazardous by accident data. So, LE is on the lookout.

I just bring these up as ideas that could be used to deny premeditation.

And it could be said that Travis likes dark haired girls, so after talking to him and he begging her to come, she dyed her hair.

Same about the rental. My car is old and paid for, and I don't use it for long trips. I always rent. Much easier to get roadside assistance and a replacement rental pronto than it is trying to deal with car repairs on the road. Especially a concern if I'm traveling at night and alone.

Same for the red car. I wouldn't have wanted or taken one either if I had a choice. Iirc, the rental dude didn't say she requested a white car, just something a little less ostentatious (paraphrasing).
 
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Obviously she colored her hair somewhere on the way to TA's because she showed up with dark hair. So it was not only possible, it was done regardless of where she stopped on her 1,000+ mi road trip to his house.

We will never know where she stopped to color her hair unless she discloses that someday. Lots of places one can accomplish this task. In the end it doesn't matter. She did it, it was done to help hide her persona if she was seen, and that's that.

I personally find this hair coloring bit one of the creepiest elements of the premeditation of this crime. I mean she made the effort to stop and purchase two boxes of hair color, then found a way to color her very over processed very long hair while in the middle of a road trip in part of executing the plan she was carefully constructing toward this murder. Picturing her with hair color and a plastic cap in a car while driving down the highway is equally as disturbing as picturing her in some public restroom applying hair color and/or shampooing it out.

You never know what weird detail will stick in a juror's mind and influence their decision.

I once watched a trial (very first trial I ever watched on Court TV) where a man had thrown his mother down a marble staircase and bashed her head in and claimed she had slipped and fallen. The fact that he claimed she snatched a TV out of his hands and bolted up the staircase with it then slipping while wearing a granny gown just showed a detail he hadn't considered. And all the women on the jury did. That you can't easily even walk up stairs much less sprint up them in a granny gown without using a hand to lift that gown so you don't trip on it. And her hands, according to his story, were holding a TV. It was funny that they said that one element easily led them to the guilty verdict although there were all kinds of high falutin body mechanics experts etc. Those jurors uncovered the granny gown detail themselves.

This hair color bit may seem a small piece of the puzzle but could play a huge role in determining premeditation imo.
 
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but she bought the hair dye in salinas which is another 5 hours south of redding

She rented the car on 6/2 and was in Salinas on 6/3. She also stopped for gas in Lobi, CA after 8pm on 6/2 which is only 3 hours from Redding. Funny she stopped in Lobi because that is farther east of the highway that was recommended on goggle maps. Since she was headed west to Monterey you would think she would stay on Rt5 but Lobi is way over on RT99 more towards the middle of the state. Plus there are mountains to cross and very few highways cutting through. Seems like she went out of her way.

My mother lived in Apple Valley, CA and there is no way she mistakenly got lost and took the wrong road once she reached LA. jmo
 
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yeah, that's what I was thinking about the bleach blond to brown -- a rush job might not turn out so well!

I drive back and forth between cali and az quite a bit and of course I've not been in every single truck stop along the route, but I've been in some and they were decidedly un-spa-like. lol Then again, I'm probably not the person to judge the issue. I'd rather go without water for an 6 hour drive (and I have!) than have to use the restroom at a gas station or truck stop. blechhh

These shower areas are not easily seen from just popping in to "hover n run" as I call it... they are usually located upstairs or in another area that wouldn't be seen unless requested specifically also near the truckers area where they have a "media room" for TV/ movies... some have recliners, sofas that are very comfy others have plastic DMV chairs!!! lol... The showers are maintained constantly bleached etc... as hotel rooms would be but the turn over is more frequent. MUCH CLEANER than any "ladies room" I have ever seen~ at the better stops anyway...
I would think JA would need a GOOD shower prior to showing up at TA's... all that time on the road... ICK!
 
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Hello dear WS folks. I have been devouring your insightful and spirited discussions for the past week after suppressing my own ideas and theories and I finally decided to chime in after carefully reading Det. Flores’ report, especially since one thing waved a huge red flag at me and seemed to be as yet unaddressed…
Forgive me for the length of my spew as I have many pent up opinions and observations, some based on personal experiences with MLM organizations like PPL.
Firstly, did anyone else find it odd that Detective Flores’ initial investigative report http://grahamwinch.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/floresinvestigationreport.pdf noted (page 3) “As we waited for other detectives to arrive to assist with the investigation, I received information from Travis’ friends at the scene, that Jodi Arias had called them and wanted to know what was going on. She had also mentioned that she wanted to talk to the investigating Officers.” WTH???
Here are a few of my other notes/observations:
Someone commented on the possible shadiness of people in an MLM business such as PPL. I have been involved with my husband in this industry for six+ years and it is all about swaying people to believe that there can be tremendous financial rewards if you recruit lots of people to sell your product/service. While it is true that some people make fortunes in these businesses, the vast majority make little to nothing. At its base, MLM opportunities are pyramid schemes. I attended hundreds of MLM meetings, conventions and executive banquets and exclusive trips where I was introduced to, interacted with and full-on partied with leaders (lots of alcohol) at events and watched them preach passionately on stages that would have rivaled a Madonna concert in terms of lighting and special effects. Coincidentally, many of the more successful people in the business were of the LDS faith. http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,592632,592632
If you don’t care to read through the link, my understanding through first-hand experience is that many MLM businesses originate in Utah and/or have a large contingent of LDS people working in their organizations. The theory is this: Mormon boys are required to do a 2-year mission upon graduation from high school, where they are sent off to places far from home (including international destinations) to live on their own or board with Mormon families to spread the gospel of LDS & produce new recruits. They do not have physical contact/visitation with family members during their time away, even during holidays. (Possibly, you have seen/been approached by the white shirted boys on bicycles?) During their missions, they develop fearlessness when it comes to approaching people to “pitch” the Mormon faith. As a result, when they return home, they are 1) deficient as far as college/university education is concerned and 2) are guided into a recruitment phase that produces excellent candidates for MLM businesses given their training as enrollers to the LDS church. Not sure at what age Travis converted – perhaps it was beyond the mandated missionary years, but no doubt he was taught the mission of indoctrinating others into the faith and he also needed to recruit people into his business. As a former MLM executive myself, I have personally known and frequently interacted with many attractive young men like Travis who, because of their charisma and notoriety within the MLM organization have been extremely attractive to women - including a few of those who were on my own team. In addition, I know first-hand of several top-performing male leaders who wooed PYTs (pretty young things) many, many times and who were eventually dumped after their true colors came through. Both hubby and I see how Jodi would be attracted to Travis, and we agree that it was HER psychosis that led to this brutal execution and that Travis did NOTHING to deserve his fate – his only downfall was being a normal, sexual male who was seduced by a pretty and willing girl who lacked self-esteem but had tremendous experience in the tools of seduction. Indeed, what 20-something man could truly resist a beguiling temptress like Jodi, esp when she asserts herself (as in her “mounting” Ryan the next day?) in fact, we discussed possible scenarios within our own MLM team where there were young women who were enamored by one of the leaders in the organization, only to quit the biz when they realized there wasn’t a chance at getting “Mr. X, Executive Vice President of _ _ _” to acknowledge/date them
Regarding Jodi’s trip from Mesa to Utah. It was reported that her calls/voicemail post-mortem to Travis were made 250 miles from Mesa. As someone who lives in Las Vegas and has traveled many times to both Phoenix and Salt Lake City, I estimate that she would have been in Las Vegas/Henderson via I-93 when she made the calls. Also, the drive from Vegas to SLC via I-15 is about 6 hours which means she should have arrived there at approximately 6:00 am. However, Ryan stated she arrived around 11:00/noon. So there are about 6 hours unaccounted for at this leg of her trip Did she take a sleepover rest stop in Vegas? Further to this travel scenario, she would have to cross the Colorado River by either going over Hoover Dam or the Pat Tillman bridge. Could she have possibly tossed the murder weapons over the dam/bridge and into either Lake Mead or the river?
One last observation re her phone records that evening. Prior to leaving the post-murder voicemail for Travis, she placed a 30-second call to him. My thought is that she started to leave a message here, abandoned it (maybe she flubbed the “script”?) then called again to leave the voicemail that we heard. When she subsequently called and listened to his messages (16 minutes), perhaps she wanted to hear her own message to make sure it sounded kosher and delete her original (1st attempt) message.
My apologies if any of this has been analyzed/discussed in earlier threads. All theories are IMHO.

Ps does anyone else think that Jennifer Willmott is wearing a wig? Hair never changes day to day… catty I know but just an observation…
Thanks for letting me share with you all. Keep the faith!
 
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She rented the car on 6/2 and was in Salinas on 6/3. She also stopped for gas in Lobi, CA after 8pm on 6/2 which is only 3 hours from Redding. Funny she stopped in Lobi because that is farther east of the highway that was recommended on goggle maps. Since she was headed west to Monterey you would think she would stay on Rt5 but Lobi is way over on RT99 more towards the middle of the state. Plus there are mountains to cross and very few highways cutting through. Seems like she went out of her way.

My mother lived in Apple Valley, CA and there is no way she mistakenly got lost and took the wrong road once she reached LA. jmo

Yup, agreed. She has confessed to the crime.
 
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Ps does anyone else think that Jennifer Willmott is wearing a wig? Hair never changes day to day… catty I know but just an observation…
Thanks for letting me share with you all. Keep the faith!

Hi PenElaine,

Welcome! I cut your post to just take less room (it would be much easier to read in the future if you use more paragraphs...fyi and gracias!).

I don't think Willmott's hair is a wig only because it's not a very attractive color imo. I can see her roots so we might see a new "do" next week in terms of color. meow. ;) I'm just not happy with her bad roots or not, because as a woman she's having the audacity to support her murdering client via the "trash the victim" method.

I have no tolerance for that!

Interesting take on the MLM / LDS aspect. The one person I've known who really made a great living in MLM was also LDS. Sadly, she and her daughter were in business together until her daughter became a homicide victim at the hands of her husband. :(

Again, welcome! I look forward to more of your insights.:seeya:
 
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I think Jodi is a psycho.

However, I keep my old car that is paid for. If I travel any distance, I rent a car. It is cheaper than car payments and if there is a problem, it is their problem.

Red cars driven by younger girls have been identified as hazardous by accident data. So, LE is on the lookout.

I just bring these up as ideas that could be used to deny premeditation.

And it could be said that Travis likes dark haired girls, so after talking to him and he begging her to come, she dyed her hair.


That makes sense but you wouldn't drive your car 90 miles to rent one, when there are places to do it in your town.
 
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She rented the car on 6/2 and was in Salinas on 6/3. She also stopped for gas in Lobi, CA after 8pm on 6/2 which is only 3 hours from Redding. Funny she stopped in Lobi because that is farther east of the highway that was recommended on goggle maps. Since she was headed west to Monterey you would think she would stay on Rt5 but Lobi is way over on RT99 more towards the middle of the state. Plus there are mountains to cross and very few highways cutting through. Seems like she went out of her way.

My mother lived in Apple Valley, CA and there is no way she mistakenly got lost and took the wrong road once she reached LA. jmo

BBM Oh, now I am homesick for CA. I used to live right by AV, in Victorville. Don't miss VV but miss Big Bear and Newport beach!
 
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These shower areas are not easily seen from just popping in to "hover n run" as I call it... they are usually located upstairs or in another area that wouldn't be seen unless requested specifically also near the truckers area where they have a "media room" for TV/ movies... some have recliners, sofas that are very comfy others have plastic DMV chairs!!! lol... The showers are maintained constantly bleached etc... as hotel rooms would be but the turn over is more frequent. MUCH CLEANER than any "ladies room" I have ever seen~ at the better stops anyway...
I would think JA would need a GOOD shower prior to showing up at TA's... all that time on the road... ICK!

No, no. I've actually been in the shower, locker etc. part. I can't for the life of me remember why I was, but I definitely was. Maybe they were cleaning the regular stalls or they were under renovation or something. I remember it pretty vividly other than the reason I was there because I didn't realize that they had those accommodations for women until then.
 
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Hello dear WS folks. I have been devouring your insightful and spirited discussions for the past week after suppressing my own ideas and theories and I finally decided to chime in after carefully reading Det. Flores’ report, especially since one thing waved a huge red flag at me and seemed to be as yet unaddressed…
Forgive me for the length of my spew as I have many pent up opinions and observations, some based on personal experiences with MLM organizations like PPL.
Firstly, did anyone else find it odd that Detective Flores’ initial investigative report http://grahamwinch.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/floresinvestigationreport.pdf noted (page 3) “As we waited for other detectives to arrive to assist with the investigation, I received information from Travis’ friends at the scene, that Jodi Arias had called them and wanted to know what was going on. She had also mentioned that she wanted to talk to the investigating Officers.” WTH???
Here are a few of my other notes/observations:
Someone commented on the possible shadiness of people in an MLM business such as PPL. I have been involved with my husband in this industry for six+ years and it is all about swaying people to believe that there can be tremendous financial rewards if you recruit lots of people to sell your product/service. While it is true that some people make fortunes in these businesses, the vast majority make little to nothing. At its base, MLM opportunities are pyramid schemes. I attended hundreds of MLM meetings, conventions and executive banquets and exclusive trips where I was introduced to, interacted with and full-on partied with leaders (lots of alcohol) at events and watched them preach passionately on stages that would have rivaled a Madonna concert in terms of lighting and special effects. Coincidentally, many of the more successful people in the business were of the LDS faith. http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,592632,592632
If you don’t care to read through the link, my understanding through first-hand experience is that many MLM businesses originate in Utah and/or have a large contingent of LDS people working in their organizations. The theory is this: Mormon boys are required to do a 2-year mission upon graduation from high school, where they are sent off to places far from home (including international destinations) to live on their own or board with Mormon families to spread the gospel of LDS & produce new recruits. They do not have physical contact/visitation with family members during their time away, even during holidays. (Possibly, you have seen/been approached by the white shirted boys on bicycles?) During their missions, they develop fearlessness when it comes to approaching people to “pitch” the Mormon faith. As a result, when they return home, they are 1) deficient as far as college/university education is concerned and 2) are guided into a recruitment phase that produces excellent candidates for MLM businesses given their training as enrollers to the LDS church. Not sure at what age Travis converted – perhaps it was beyond the mandated missionary years, but no doubt he was taught the mission of indoctrinating others into the faith and he also needed to recruit people into his business. As a former MLM executive myself, I have personally known and frequently interacted with many attractive young men like Travis who, because of their charisma and notoriety within the MLM organization have been extremely attractive to women - including a few of those who were on my own team. In addition, I know first-hand of several top-performing male leaders who wooed PYTs (pretty young things) many, many times and who were eventually dumped after their true colors came through. Both hubby and I see how Jodi would be attracted to Travis, and we agree that it was HER psychosis that led to this brutal execution and that Travis did NOTHING to deserve his fate – his only downfall was being a normal, sexual male who was seduced by a pretty and willing girl who lacked self-esteem but had tremendous experience in the tools of seduction. Indeed, what 20-something man could truly resist a beguiling temptress like Jodi, esp when she asserts herself (as in her “mounting” Ryan the next day?) in fact, we discussed possible scenarios within our own MLM team where there were young women who were enamored by one of the leaders in the organization, only to quit the biz when they realized there wasn’t a chance at getting “Mr. X, Executive Vice President of _ _ _” to acknowledge/date them
Regarding Jodi’s trip from Mesa to Utah. It was reported that her calls/voicemail post-mortem to Travis were made 250 miles from Mesa. As someone who lives in Las Vegas and has traveled many times to both Phoenix and Salt Lake City, I estimate that she would have been in Las Vegas/Henderson via I-93 when she made the calls. Also, the drive from Vegas to SLC via I-15 is about 6 hours which means she should have arrived there at approximately 6:00 am. However, Ryan stated she arrived around 11:00/noon. So there are about 6 hours unaccounted for at this leg of her trip Did she take a sleepover rest stop in Vegas? Further to this travel scenario, she would have to cross the Colorado River by either going over Hoover Dam or the Pat Tillman bridge. Could she have possibly tossed the murder weapons over the dam/bridge and into either Lake Mead or the river?
One last observation re her phone records that evening. Prior to leaving the post-murder voicemail for Travis, she placed a 30-second call to him. My thought is that she started to leave a message here, abandoned it (maybe she flubbed the “script”?) then called again to leave the voicemail that we heard. When she subsequently called and listened to his messages (16 minutes), perhaps she wanted to hear her own message to make sure it sounded kosher and delete her original (1st attempt) message.
My apologies if any of this has been analyzed/discussed in earlier threads. All theories are IMHO.

Ps does anyone else think that Jennifer Willmott is wearing a wig? Hair never changes day to day… catty I know but just an observation…
Thanks for letting me share with you all. Keep the faith!

Wonderful post. Thank you and welcome.
 
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That makes sense but you wouldn't drive your car 90 miles to rent one, when there are places to do it in your town.

otoh, why in the world would you take someone with you?
 
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I think Jodi is a psycho.

However, I keep my old car that is paid for. If I travel any distance, I rent a car. It is cheaper than car payments and if there is a problem, it is their problem.

Red cars driven by younger girls have been identified as hazardous by accident data. So, LE is on the lookout.

I just bring these up as ideas that could be used to deny premeditation.

And it could be said that Travis likes dark haired girls, so after talking to him and he begging her to come, she dyed her hair.

I agree about the hair color argument too. He liked her as a brunette so she colored it. They may well say that. They can say she wasn't planning on going to see him on that trip but after he talked her into making the detour, she wanted to please him so she did it on the way.
 
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I agree about the hair color argument too. He liked her as a brunette so she colored it. They may well say that. They can say she wasn't planning on going to see him on that trip but after he talked her into making the detour, she wanted to please him so she did it on the way.

Is there anything to document Travis preference? Because in the vast majority of the photos of them together she's an over processed platinum blonde.
 
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Thanks Katie: I copied my post from Word (had lots of paragraph breaks originally) but unfortunately this was how it posted. I will henceforth be composing posts on the sight (!)

Three things for you: I read your story about your sister and my heart aches for you and your family. I truly admire how you have been able to move on under such unbelievably tragic circumstances. Also, you provided me with a belly-aching laugh re your comment about Vinnie's hair being 1/4 inch from a nutty professor (in fact, by tummy is shaking as I type this). Finally,thank you for sharing the Dear Zachary story. I watched it last night and found it so profoundly sad, and it also made me embarrassed for my native land with their horrific oversights and handling Shirley Turner.

Glad to have the chance to "know" you......
 
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I agree about the hair color argument too. He liked her as a brunette so she colored it. They may well say that. They can say she wasn't planning on going to see him on that trip but after he talked her into making the detour, she wanted to please him so she did it on the way.

She HAD to do it or else he would abuse her. lol
 
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She could of used it on her face, where you usually get drips when you color.

Does it say what kind of brown color was bought? Fanci Ful by Roux is a temporary shampoo and dry tint that leaves reddish brown stains.

This is neither here nor there, but it's a good tip. I use vaseline around my hairline and neck ( and eyebrows) when using dark dyes, so it doesn't stain my skin. In a pinch, I might even use ky.
 
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