The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #16 *ADULT CONTENT*

[BritsKate]

Pssst if ya ever need an alibi...


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:floorlaugh:

I live 4000 miles away now so let's hope not. True mark of an abusive personality? He blamed me for him raping her because it happened after I left him. Uh huh. :banghead:

BTW she's now 19 and has a gorgeous little girl all her own. She's doing really well considering everything. I am very proud of her resilience. :great:

 

[magpie]

Now reviewing Gus' portion where he is hesitant about writing down the name of the other person in the car. This is not as egregious as I thought. Gus was just asking what happens if he declines. The judge took the hearing private and explained to him what would happen, and he decided that he would go ahead and do what he was ordered to do. Gus was actually not really belligerent during this exchange either -- hesitant and ill-informed about the legal process, yes.

Thank you! Do you have the link to that video because the last part where Gus writes down the name and/or phone number was not televised today, nor was it on the live feed I was watching. Did you actually see him writing the info down as the Judge had ordered him to do?

Thanks in advance if anyone has this link!

 

[Linda7NJ]

Thank you! Do you have the link to that video because the last part where Gus writes down the name and/or phone number was not televised today, nor was it on the live feed I was watching. Did you actually see him writing the info down as the Judge had ordered him to do?

Thanks in advance if anyone has this link!

Nope, it wasn't seen... Don't know what happened or if he'll be back


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[LambChop]

I think she got kerosene cans from Walmart...??

For the fire. Someone said they thought she was going to set fire to the house with all that fuel. Wonder if that is what the jury is thinking??? jmo

 

[princesspjs]

:floorlaugh:

I live 4000 miles away now so let's hope not. True mark of an abusive personality? He blamed me for him raping her because it happened after I left him. Uh huh. :banghead:

BTW she's now 19 and has a gorgeous little girl all her own. She's doing really well considering everything. I am very proud of her resilience. :great:

Please excuse me here but....he's an f'n pig!!!!!!!!!! I sure hope nurse isn't around. I know there's no name calling but, I think that's only about the people who the thread is about.

 

[minor4th]

Thank you! Do you have the link to that video because the last part where Gus writes down the name and/or phone number was not televised today, nor was it on the live feed I was watching. Did you actually see him writing the info down as the Judge had ordered him to do?

Thanks in advance if anyone has this link!

I made the assumption that he complied with the judge's order. It was not televised or disclosed. I could be wrong - it should be on the court minutes whenever they are posted.

 

[TigerBalm]

If you don't care if she was actually abused and exculpatory evidence may be present, you could have just said that. :twocents:

How does any email from Chris prove the defendant was in imminent danger at 5:30pm June 4, 2008, with a naked, weaponless man for a self defense claim?

 

[Linda7NJ]

I made the assumption that he complied with the judge's order. It was not televised or disclosed. I could be wrong - it should be on the court minutes whenever they are posted.

I thought perhaps he was given time to call PPL and retain a lawyer. Lol it was too late in the day to make contact with one!


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[m00c0w]

IMO the very fact that she had either a gun or a knife in her hands, in the bathroom would prove premeditation.

It's not like she was in the kitchen chopping veggies with a knife in her hand when she "had" to kill Travis.

He was in the bathroom, taking a shower. There is no reason to have a gun and/or knife at your disposal while you are snapping pictures of Travis taking a shower unless you plan on killing him.

I disagree.

I think the fact the gun was stolen would be more in alignment with premeditation. It's easy to claim that she just had the gun in her purse, she was attacked, so she went for the gun. It's harder to explain why a gun stolen from her grandparent's house was in her purse (although it's only a circumstantial link - they don't have the gun).

 

[m00c0w]

How does any email from Chris prove the defendant was in imminent danger at 5:30pm June 4, 2008, with a naked, weaponless man for a self defense claim?

It shows a history of violence or abuse towards the defendant.

 

[Carol2]

Going to bed. Love you guys. Have fun and I hope you get it all figured out.
Katie, can't wait to see you on the big screen tomorrow!

Carol

 

[LaneGirl]

Can we knock this off?? You don't travel all those miles to be with a abuser.

That does seem to be common sense huh?

Except that the abused often doesn't know and if they do they won't admit they are abused according to the Psychology Today article I just read and posted about the line between abusers and victims. In fact it said that often the abused goes out of their way to defend and protect the abuser.

Not saying anything about JA or TA just commenting on your comment and the article I just read.

 

[princesspjs]

I disagree.

I think the fact the gun was stolen would be more in alignment with premeditation. It's easy to claim that she just had the gun in her purse, she was attacked, so she went for the gun. It's harder to explain why a gun stolen from her grandparent's house was in her purse (although it's only a circumstantial link - they don't have the gun).

How do you explain her having the weapons that she brought into the bathroom that were used to kill Travis? :waitasec:

 

[BritsKate]

Please excuse me here but....he's an f'n pig!!!!!!!!!! I sure hope nurse isn't around. I know there's no name calling but, I think that's only about the people who the thread is about.

I'll agree though I'm hardly impartial. My ex was also diagnosed with comorbid personality disorders (or for those who prefer he's a psychopath).

It goes a long way to show just how destructive they are to every single person around them. As close to monsters as humans come. MOO

 

[popsicle]

I made the assumption that he complied with the judge's order. It was not televised or disclosed. I could be wrong - it should be on the court minutes whenever they are posted.

he he didn't leave out of court the normal way....chances are he took the JA short-cut. LOL

 

[m00c0w]

For one Travis can't come to court to testify. The defense could call Chris to the stand and ask him if he said something but the actual email wouldn't be admitted. That is why the email was not read out loud in open court today. Just like a detective's report for example is not allowed due to hearsay.

If TA acknowledged abuse, it may be allowed as a statement against interest. I find this unlikely, though.

I thought that the only part of the e-mail they did not wish to be read was the first part - TA's portion. Maybe I misunderstood.

 

[minor4th]

How does any email from Chris prove the defendant was in imminent danger at 5:30pm June 4, 2008, with a naked, weaponless man for a self defense claim?

It doesn't but apparently in Arizona, there's a different standard for people who have been subjected to a history of abuse by the person they kill. Instead of determining whether a reasonable person would have feared imminent death or serious bodily injury -- the question is whether, considering the history of physical or sexual abuse, it was reasonable for the defendant to fear imminent death or serious bodily injury

 

[Pensfan]

And per the law the above described is still premeditated murder.. and that premeditation under the law can be formed in as short as the blink of an eye(thanks to NG) prior to plunging the knife or pulling the trigger..its still the same..premeditated and still falls under the same first degree murder charge.

Sharing info on this topic:
That blonde attorney that looks somewhat like Nancy was on the NG show tonight. (Sorry, I don't remember her name.) She said that because premeditation frequently occurs in domestic abuse victims' crimes (because they feel they will never be able to escape the abuser), it is permitted by the court to be used in their defense. It may not a positive in this case that this crime looks premeditated. This will fit in with the defense's theory.

 

[TigerBalm]

It shows a history of violence or abuse towards the defendant.

Imminent danger is the key word here!

 

[chakti]

I think she got kerosene cans from Walmart...??

If you google them they are 5 gal air tight cans with a pour spout and a vent hole. = gas can.