The Texts Messages: Warning! Graphic SEXUALLY EXPLICIT

[Calliope]

Interesting where it ends. Rather abruptly. I wonder how heavily it's edited throughout.

Also, after reading MC's side of the conversation -- and more than just what he 'said' -- I'm convinced I was correct in the first place. He was a plant. That explains a lot.

 

[noonie]

So care free when her step-son is gone? Hmmm Sounds like someone else going to trial this spring!!!!! Not a care in the world a young human being is missing from their lives? Only fun (sick) chatter and party time. I can't stand them!! I pray Kyron is soon found! This is beyond bizarre. Check back tomorrow. Nite all.

 

[Donjeta]

I think that part was pretty much stated in the texts--he asked how she would be able to pay the 350K, and she said that Kerry had some ideas and the girls would be discussing it tomorrow, and that she might have to get the ok from "the boss" on the plan (and clarified that the "boss" was Houze).

JMO but it doesn't sound like the plan was to get money from her parents mortgage. I mean, wouldn't she be discussing it with her parents instead of the girls?

Of course it's possible that Kerry's idea didn't succeed, whatever it was.

 

[MsFacetious]

I am as far from a defender of Terri as you can possibly get... but I like to push myself, so I'm going to try to "explain" a few of her behaviors... since I haven't eaten today. :sick: Otherwise, anything else I said would get me a one way ticket to Pluto. :angel:

All of this is still 100% inappropriate, heartless, cold and out of line. These are just a few thoughts. :twocents:

Her aggressive, suggestive, inappropriately timed sexual behavior.... sounds so very familiar to me. I literally had to keep looking at what I was reading, because I was having major deja vu. I truly felt like I was reading instant message transcripts from emotionally disturbed teenagers I've worked with. :waitasec:

Which reminds me of several possibilities.

Several of the young women I know who exhibit this type of behavior do not actually have a high libido. That is just how they interact with men, sometimes with women, sometimes with both. Depending on their life circumstances.

Reasons they do it:

They don't actually desire sex itself, they desire the attention and that is the only way to get it. Sex = attention, affection and caring.

They just simply do not know another way to begin a relationship with that gender. The sexual talk is how they "break the ice."

A few are actually turned on by the power of being able to control the man.

Occasionally one will actually be a sex addict.

I'd be interested to know how her previous relationships started. I'm going to take a wild guess that they all moved quickly. Started a sexual relationship quickly, moved in quickly, etc.


Her comments about bench pressing and men not approaching her....

It's not uncommon for women to try to attract someone, while also pushing them away at the same time.

While trying to seem seductive, also at the same time pushing the person away... by appearing stronger than they are.

In this case I think it's more likely, making that person feel like they are different. Other people are too intimidated by her, but he is different. He can handle her, so he is more of a man. Which will give her more power over him. :sick:

Or, just mistaken by what might turn the person on.

Also making sure they know you can protect yourself is a possibility.


Borderline Personality Disorder had been discussed previously. I had said I did not feel there was enough information to say either way. I see a few more indicators now, but some of the key things are still missing here. Really, it isn't relevant. This is one of those situations where it is the "symptoms" not the "diagnosis" that matters.

Terri has shown herself to be cold, uncaring, heartless, impulsive, aggressive, uninhibited, sneaky, deceitful and untrustworthy...just for starters.

Whether you slap her with a psychological diagnosis and a few medications or a baseball bat and 2x4... it doesn't change the "symptoms" she is showing... or their possible effect on a child in her care. :twocents:

 

[5x5yo]

wow. ...absolutely disgusting and just....WOW! :sick:

 

[stmarysmead]

I find it repulsive, myself, to hear a woman humiliate herself with the level of brazen sexual aggression Terri exhibits. :yuck::yuck::yuck:

Otherwise, I was struck by her coldhearted indifference. Like chasing.halos said, cocktails, cookies and sombreros. (sombreros??) It's that same "I'm gonna hit the gym" mentality so uncharacteristic of a loving stepmother whose little boy has disappeared. By this time, not only was Kyron missing, but her marriage had crumbled, and her little girl was gone, too. She's a very disturbed woman.

The "going for a drive" excuse sent up big red flares. She was very nonchalant about it, which imo proves that she could have lied about driving around with little K that morning.

It's not the "sexting" between two adults that is appalling here. You have nailed what disgusts me...in the above post. (thank you)

In this window into the character of Terri Horman during a supposed personal tragedy...we see the most deplorable expansion of the "Hitting the Gym" mindset that we could fathom. Her detachment from the horror of Kyron's disappearance is extreme. This reads like something sent by a promiscuous teenager...with a girlfriend spending the night at her house...whose only problem is a date for the dance.

She brags about the cost of her attorney...with the carefree immaturity of one who has no concern how the bill would be paid. I find that VERY interesting. How in a space of days does an unemployed housewife come up with a retainer like that?

If it's her parents...there is again not one iota of concern for how retired parents might be financially strapped by helping her. It's a giggle...a lark...an entitlement.

It's Terri Horman's emotional detachment..her overwhelming immaturity...her callous detachment from others one would assume she cared about... her appalling blinders to how ANYTHING impacts ANYONE but her....THAT is what is disgusting and chilling.

Terri is Terri's whole world.

Maybe she's not concerned about the retainer...because she knows where to get money...and it ties into this case...so she's detached, unconcerned. "Money...yawn...I'll get whatever I need." No wonder Kaine and probably LE want to probe where this $350,000 came from. Was it from some business or activity where Kyron "saw it all", was exposed to it and ultimately to protect Terri's "business"...he had to be eliminated? This possibility is why it IS Kaine's business and the business of anyone who wants to find justice for Kyron.

Terri should have been worried about that retainer. She's not.

She should have been worried about lying to and disobeying the advice of her new attorney. She thinks it's a lark.

She should have been consumed, absolutely consumed...with Kyron. But instead, she's in Girls Night Out mode...bragging, trying to WOW this guy with her strength and sexual prowess, taking pictures of herself masturbating.
Trying to convince this guy to join not only her sexual games...but her LIES!

Terri obviously cannot judge how such behavior appears to others. Somehow this aggressive sexuality in the context of a child she SUPPOSEDLY loved being missing and endangered and possibly sexually exploited...this Girls Night Out gigglefest...is supposed to make her attractive to a near stranger.

Instead it is so bizarre, it is frightening. And this text is only one of hundreds.

IMO many are being held back for the criminal case. I cringe at what those may contain, seeing the mindset and reckless demeanor of Terri Horman so clearly as we now do. And how absent Kyron is...his welfare, his little life...when Terri's needs take center stage.

 

[Trt]

I really don't get why Kaine would get up to find the baby with Terri passed out on the couch after midnight unless Terri was the one putting kids to bed and seeing to them. Usually both parents put the kids to bed and know where they are unless one goes off to bed and closes a door early. Surely Terri wasn't getting the baby up during the night. What a terrible home life if all is true.

Maybe they split the duties with putting the kids to bed. Perhaps Kaine got Kyron to bed at a decent hour with Terri telling Kaine she would be right behind him, she was just going to get K calm. He did also state that When he would try to help get K to sleep, Terri would become defensive.

Perhaps K did go to sleep at first and then wake up due to the loud and drunken behavior of her mother. Either way, I'm not sure how the new revelations cast more of a bad light on Kaine than they do the obviously unstable mother of K. Again, hindsight.

Kaine mentioned in an interview how he thought Terri was on meds for PPD. That it wasn't until after Kyron went missing that he heard from friends that alcohol would be missing from their cabinets when Terri would stay over. Perhaps Kaine treaded the whole situation lightly due to him
believing that she was "passed out" from necessary prescription meds instead of an alcohol induced stupor. Again, WE have the hindsight. Jmo

 

[Donjeta]

Reading these texts it does sound a bit like MC is fishing for information. He's not half as into the sexting side of it as Terri. Terri's mindset is all about armwrestling him, sitting on him, pinning him down, ravishing him with latex included, and he gets away with things like "Sounds fun" and texts quaintly, "Hey, on a sidenote, about this incredibly expensive lawyer you got..." (paraphrased). And then he shuts her down about the lying and warns her that she's going to be lonely.

Most of his texts are oneliners but he gets wordy talking about Houze and then again about the lying.

 

[Etilema]

Her aggressive, suggestive, inappropriately timed sexual behavior.... sounds so very familiar to me. I literally had to keep looking at what I was reading, because I was having major deja vu. I truly felt like I was reading instant message transcripts from emotionally disturbed teenagers I've worked with. :waitasec:

I only quoted a bit of your long post, but I just wanted to say that the whole thing was really excellent. Tremendous insights about these kinds of behavior patterns, and I'd say your comments are right on target. JMO

 

[PaulaF513]

I suppose there is a good reason for this trash to have been released to the media.. I suppose it will definitely help KH in the visitation issue.

I imagine LE wants the public to understand why they are so focussed on TH. Certainly these texts especially considering the time frame, paint a picture of a sex obsessed crumbum. I think she is skeevy.

I feel so sorry for her son. Poor "J" is in for a long hard time with these depictions of his mother circulating throughout the MSM, not to mention the internet.

 

[stmarysmead]

I suppose there is a good reason for this trash to have been released to the media.. I suppose it will definitely help KH in the visitation issue.

I imagine LE wants the public to understand why they are so focussed on TH. Certainly these texts especially considering the time frame, paint a picture of a sex obsessed crumbum. I think she is skeevy.

I feel so sorry for her son. Poor "J" is in for a long hard time with these depictions of his mother circulating throughout the MSM, not to mention the internet.

I agree. And the ultimate blame for whatever mortification befalls "J' is on the woman...WHO KNEW SHE WAS UNDER SURVEILLANCE...WHO HARDLY KNEW the guy she was sexting...who was reckless to the extreme...at a time when ANY NORMAL PERSON...would KNOW that her children could both pay a price for her skeeviness.

Baby K, in regard to custody..."J" in that ...HE would have to endure the embarrassment.

Terri is a risk-taker all right. Risking sexting with a near stranger...risking lying to her new lawyers, risking her children's emotional well-being.

What else did she risk...that may have cost Kyron his life?.

Maybe now she is risking letting Kyron never be recovered...and she'll be set free by a jury who adores prim little "Facebook Terri."

 

[For The Kids]

I can respect that.But... what does this little baby girl want?I remember my mother was taken away from me at the age she is now.I wanted my mommy and I remember that young trying to find her and she was gone and I asked every one if they were my mommy untill someone said they were.What does this sweet little girl want?

to be safe and know where her brother Kyron is maybe?

 

[ami]

Can someone sort this out for me: it sounds like Terri knew she was texting from a "dirty phone" in the sense that she told MC "Flashing your phone means they can listen in on my phone conversations and see who I talk to." and "sent you mess from clean phone. We should use that one OK?" --- WHY did she use this phone for the sexting, then? Why did she allow all of those texts and pictures to be sent from a phone she knew was being monitored closely by police?

About the texts themselves, what disturbs me most is that she could pivot from discussion about the Kyron abduction/murder case and her criminal defense attorney to talk of her sexual ability within a single text. I'm a bit boggled by that degree of compartmentalization. And I think the fact that she CAN compartmentalize [missing/dead stepson, baby daughter taken away, criminal investigation] versus [aggressively sexual requests to Kaine's friend] is a highly relevant piece of information about her.

We've talked on WS before: how could Terri do *something* to Kyron while baby K was in the car? Or how could Terri do *something terrible* and then sit at home on facebook posting pics as if nothing had happened? Surely no one could act like nothing was wrong after doing some horrendous deed....

I think these texts show a Terri who was remarkably able to compartmentalize and behave in such a way that you would never know something terrible WAS happening based on her behavior. Aside from mention of her attorney, a casual reader of these texts would simply not know that this was happening against the backdrop of a small child's disappearance and volunteers combing the woods for his body. We would be fooled, through our belief that no one could compartmentalize away the abduction or murder of a child and the loss of their baby.

 

[ami]

I am as far from a defender of Terri as you can possibly get... but I like to push myself, so I'm going to try to "explain" a few of her behaviors... since I haven't eaten today. :sick: Otherwise, anything else I said would get me a one way ticket to Pluto. :angel:

All of this is still 100% inappropriate, heartless, cold and out of line. These are just a few thoughts. :twocents:

Her aggressive, suggestive, inappropriately timed sexual behavior.... sounds so very familiar to me. I literally had to keep looking at what I was reading, because I was having major deja vu. I truly felt like I was reading instant message transcripts from emotionally disturbed teenagers I've worked with. :waitasec:

Which reminds me of several possibilities.

Several of the young women I know who exhibit this type of behavior do not actually have a high libido. That is just how they interact with men, sometimes with women, sometimes with both. Depending on their life circumstances.

Reasons they do it:

They don't actually desire sex itself, they desire the attention and that is the only way to get it. Sex = attention, affection and caring.

They just simply do not know another way to begin a relationship with that gender. The sexual talk is how they "break the ice."

A few are actually turned on by the power of being able to control the man.

Occasionally one will actually be a sex addict.

I'd be interested to know how her previous relationships started. I'm going to take a wild guess that they all moved quickly. Started a sexual relationship quickly, moved in quickly, etc.


Her comments about bench pressing and men not approaching her....

It's not uncommon for women to try to attract someone, while also pushing them away at the same time.

While trying to seem seductive, also at the same time pushing the person away... by appearing stronger than they are.

In this case I think it's more likely, making that person feel like they are different. Other people are too intimidated by her, but he is different. He can handle her, so he is more of a man. Which will give her more power over him. :sick:

Or, just mistaken by what might turn the person on.

Also making sure they know you can protect yourself is a possibility.


Borderline Personality Disorder had been discussed previously. I had said I did not feel there was enough information to say either way. I see a few more indicators now, but some of the key things are still missing here. Really, it isn't relevant. This is one of those situations where it is the "symptoms" not the "diagnosis" that matters.

Terri has shown herself to be cold, uncaring, heartless, impulsive, aggressive, uninhibited, sneaky, deceitful and untrustworthy...just for starters.

Whether you slap her with a psychological diagnosis and a few medications or a baseball bat and 2x4... it doesn't change the "symptoms" she is showing... or their possible effect on a child in her care. :twocents:

MF, thank you so much for this post. My daughter has two friends who are in the foster system after being removed from abusive homes, and one of them is hypersexual in just the way you describe. She simultaneously tries to come across as "whatever you want, that's what I am" and "I'm stronger than you and can hurt you if I want". It's so interesting to read your post that this is a common pattern of wanting intimacy while self-protecting. In my daughter's friend's case she's receiving counseling and is distressingly open about her sexuality, which is how I know anything at all about it - it's really heartbreaking.

 

[NancyA]

OK, need to go away and wash my eyes out with bleach before I can address this with any semblance of rationality.....I think I'm officially off the fence though, this woman is COLD beyond belief.

 

[tezi]

This has nothing to do with little Kyrons disappearance.I'm honestly sick of hearing all this crap.It's doing nothing to find little Kyron.This is his private life and it should stay that way.The focus needs to be on this little boy Kyron.I'll come back when there is something to investigate to find this sweet little boy.This is all very sad.

Really, his stepmother's actions (these texts) have nothing to do with Kyron's missing? If nothing else, it shows just what kind of person she is. And I suppose this is Kaine's fault these were released to, right?

TH chose to make this part of her life public, not us.

Kyron needs to be found, and Terri's actions in these texts make her look more and more culpable, IMO.

 

[SurfieTX]

Gross. No wonder DeDe thought a fire extinguisher was a good idea.

 

[believe09]

I hate to say it, but WTH took him so long!? But then again, maybe he has been contemplating it for some time. he certainly didn't waste time when it was necessary.

Perhaps he was hoping he could save the family. baby so young I would imagine he would exhaust every possibility.
I wonder if he ever approached her about a potential personality disorder or mental illness?

I havent finished reading the thread, but I think this is a pretty lightbulb moment thought. I can speculate what might have happened if he did approach her in this fashion-if you believe she is responsible for Kyron's disappearance, than you may be able to believe that disappearing Kyron might have been punishment for KH for taking this approach with her.

 

[SurfieTX]

So, at this point, she already had a bat phone, correct? DeDe and her other friends had already supplied them? And how did she know about "flashing" the phone? Did LE say, "Hey Terri, please let us see your phone so we can monitor the calls and texts."

 

[SurfieTX]

And another thing, why did she have MC take a picture of the restraining order if she already had a bat phone? This is all just mind-boggling to me.