The Texts Messages: Warning! Graphic SEXUALLY EXPLICIT

[grandmaj]

Posting for reference.

From Kaine, regarding the text messages:

Respondent, at times, references the fact that she misses both children, K and K

http://www.koinlocal6.com/media/lib/107/b/2/c/b2c0c26c-4221-4fde-a923-fa5788b1ad69/Horman.pdf

Respondent, at times, references the fact that she misses both children, K and K

http://www.koinlocal6.com/media/lib/107/b/2/c/b2c0c26c-4221-4fde-a923-fa5788b1ad69/Horman.pdf

The quote must be read in it's entirety to represent what Kaine was saying through his attorney. He was saying he believes Terri was giving misrepresentation that she missed the children given that the significant majority of the material was personal or social.


"While Respondent, at times, references the fact that she misses both children, K and Kyron, the significant majority of the material deals with social and personal matters between Mr. Cook and respondent and belies that assertion. "

 

[desquire]

I can't speak for everyone, but I'd like to see just one iota of evidence.... JUST ONE... that Terri even to this day cares about what happened to Kyron. I'd love to see a text message that she sent where she mentioned her concern for Kyron's welfare.

So far, there's been none.

I believe she is and was "a mess," too, but it wasn't because she was missing Kyron. At any rate, this comes from someone beside Terri.

Mentioned Kyron? I don't see it. She was enjoying the attention and the sympathy that she was getting from her friends.

Was this at approximately the same time that she failed one polygraph and walked out on the other? When she was ranting about being questioned? When her son J had to leave the house because Terri screamed at J for telling his father about the polygraphs?

Wow. So, "I'd like to see just one iota of evidence.... JUST ONE... " was a rhetorical question?

 

[pufnstuf]

Respondent, at times, references the fact that she misses both children, K and K

http://www.koinlocal6.com/media/lib/107/b/2/c/b2c0c26c-4221-4fde-a923-fa5788b1ad69/Horman.pdf

The quote must be read in it's entirety to represent what Kaine was saying through his attorney. He was saying he believes Terri was giving misrepresentation that she missed the children given that the significant majority of the material was personal or social.


"While Respondent, at times, references the fact that she misses both children, K and Kyron, the significant majority of the material deals with social and personal matters between Mr. Cook and respondent and belies that assertion. "

That WHOLE quotation seems to have a completely different meaning than alleged above. Thanks.

 

[pufnstuf]

Wow. So, "I'd like to see just one iota of evidence.... JUST ONE... " was a rhetorical question?

Not rhetorical at all. And I'm still waiting.

 

[loves2bmom]

Respondent, at times, references the fact that she misses both children, K and K

http://www.koinlocal6.com/media/lib/107/b/2/c/b2c0c26c-4221-4fde-a923-fa5788b1ad69/Horman.pdf

The quote must be read in it's entirety to represent what Kaine was saying through his attorney. He was saying he believes Terri was giving misrepresentation that she missed the children given that the significant majority of the material was personal or social.


"While Respondent, at times, references the fact that she misses both children, K and Kyron, the significant majority of the material deals with social and personal matters between Mr. Cook and respondent and belies that assertion. "

Grandma...we're on the same wavelength today. I was just looking that up to post it myself. The context sure makes a difference!

 

[miabellamoure]

I can't speak for everyone, but I'd like to see just one iota of evidence.... JUST ONE... that Terri even to this day cares about what happened to Kyron. I'd love to see a text message that she sent where she mentioned her concern for Kyron's welfare.

So far, there's been none.

I really hoped for the fence-sitters sake that there would be at least one mention of maybe something like:

I am just heartbroken that Kaine and the family feel I am to blame for Kyron's disappearance...or, I loved Kaine & Kyron so much, I just don't understand how Kaine could doubt that...or, I can't eat or sleep for the pain I feel at not knowing where Kyron could be...or that I feel like I will just die not being with Baby, K...

But, there wasn't even one about anyone's suffering but her own mostly to do without "getting some"...pathetic.

 

[rnmif]

It was reported way early in the case that there was NO verizon wireless service available at the Horman residence. It was the initial reason given for why Terri's friends bought her the "clean phones." (it was also verified by a poster at another website I belong to...wish I could link to that post here)

It was not sophisticated to say that LE flashed her phone (no doubt what she had been told by her "lawyer extraordinnaire" (SIC) and that they would need 30 minutes with the phone in order to do so. She didn't use any technical terms, sounds like run of the mill knowledge of someone who has knowledge of a way to ellude monitoring(which Terri and her friends were doing, per their own admissions when purchasing her "clean phones" for her).

ETA: http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/CoverageLocatorController

Verizon Wireless shows No coverage (digital or analog) to the Horman's address.

It's rather simplistic to say there is no coverage. I lived in the area when we first moved there in 2006, and we had Verizon. If you note, they actually have excellent coverage over the entire area, what shows on the map as no coverage is actually microtopography interfering with coverage, so they do not show it as available, since they can not guarantee reliable coverage. However factors such as low wireless traffic and weather systems in the area can increase signal that normally would be weak. I've driven that stretch of Corn Pass probably hundreds of times, often while on a call. Sometimes I'd lose my signal by the time we reached Skyline. Sometimes I'd get all the way to 30 and never lose my signal. The road is at a far lower elevation than the Horman home.

Additionally, the Horman home sits higher than typical topography where the "no service" location is mapped.

As for the rest, I disagree.

 

[desquire]

The quote must be read in it's entirety to represent what Kaine was saying through his attorney. He was saying he believes Terri was giving misrepresentation that she missed the children given that the significant majority of the material was personal or social.


"While Respondent, at times, references the fact that she misses both children, K and Kyron, the significant majority of the material deals with social and personal matters between Mr. Cook and respondent and belies that assertion. "

Of course they say that. When you have a factual record that doesn't completely support the argument you are trying to make, you have to explain away the facts that don't fit. If you can do that preemptively, it's all the more effective, but it doesn't make the incovenient facts any less factual. Eventually Terri's lawyers will take the other parts of the text transcript and use them to paint a completely different picture; by adding this line, Rackner is trying to limit the potential damage from that.

 

[pufnstuf]

Of course they say that. When you have a factual record that doesn't completely support the argument you are trying to make, you have to explain away the facts that don't fit. If you can do that preemptively, it's all the more effective, but it doesn't make the incovenient facts any less factual. Eventually Terri's lawyers will take the other parts of the text transcript and use them to paint a completely different picture; by adding this line, Rackner is trying to limit the potential damage from that.

Not the point.

They don't convey what the poster on the previous page alleged that they conveyed.

So we still don't have Terri, from her own mouth, asserting that she cares about Kyron going missing. Not a word from her, as a matter of fact.

 

[BeanE]

That WHOLE quotation seems to have a completely different meaning than alleged above. Thanks.

If you're referring to my post, I "alleged" only that she sent text messages saying she missed Kyron. It's a yes or no. There's no meaning to it.

I believe Kaine/Rackner/LE that Terri did send text messages saying she missed Kyron. I recognize I could be wrong about that, and that Kaine or Rackner or LE could be lying.

 

[BeanE]

Grandma...we're on the same wavelength today. I was just looking that up to post it myself. The context sure makes a difference!

I agree. The context is that Rackner says that Kaine says that LE says that Terri sent messages saying she missed Kyron. If any of them are lying, then of course, she did not.

I believe that she did. When further info comes out, I may change my mind.

 

[eyes4crime]

Of course they say that. When you have a factual record that doesn't completely support the argument you are trying to make, you have to explain away the facts that don't fit. If you can do that preemptively, it's all the more effective, but it doesn't make the incovenient facts any less factual. Eventually Terri's lawyers will take the other parts of the text transcript and use them to paint a completely different picture; by adding this line, Rackner is trying to limit the potential damage from that.

It's so interesting to see how the mind of an attorney works! Thinking ahead, preemptive maneuvers, figuring out the tactics of the other side. Thanks for giving us an inside view of that kind of strategic thinking. moo mho

 

[rnmif]

I'm interested in seeing the statistics for incarcerated rageaholics. Where can I view that data?

You might have to find someone who is discussing that topic and ask them.

My post was about borderline personality disorder and the various forms in which it is expressed.

 

[grandmaj]

Of course they say that. When you have a factual record that doesn't completely support the argument you are trying to make, you have to explain away the facts that don't fit. If you can do that preemptively, it's all the more effective, but it doesn't make the incovenient facts any less factual. Eventually Terri's lawyers will take the other parts of the text transcript and use them to paint a completely different picture; by adding this line, Rackner is trying to limit the potential damage from that.

To be honest I would have preferred to read that her conversations with M. Cook were discussing the kids at length. That she was discussing her fear for Kyron, that she was saying she missed the children and wished there was a way to make things right. That she is innocent and hoped it would be resolved soon.

But to even bring Kyron's name and the babies name up once, into these conversations, full of Terri Self indulging and putting on a big act for M. Cook disgusts me.

When the full texts come out, if they do, hopefully there was one phone call that is much more about the children for Terri's sake. I'm not holding my breath. She is her own worst enemy carrying on the way she did. Asking a man who she is trying to sexually seduce to lie to her attorney and schooling him on the way that LE traces a phone. Her whole persona is that this is some kind of big joke. It is very disturbing at least.

 

[loves2bmom]

It's rather simplistic to say there is no coverage. I lived in the area when we first moved there in 2006, and we had Verizon. If you note, they actually have excellent coverage over the entire area, what shows on the map as no coverage is actually microtopography interfering with coverage, so they do not show it as available, since they can not guarantee reliable coverage. However factors such as low wireless traffic and weather systems in the area can increase signal that normally would be weak. I've driven that stretch of Corn Pass probably hundreds of times, often while on a call. Sometimes I'd lose my signal by the time we reached Skyline. Sometimes I'd get all the way to 30 and never lose my signal. The road is at a far lower elevation than the Horman home.

Additionally, the Horman home sits higher than typical topography where the "no service" location is mapped.

As for the rest, I disagree.

Ooops! Just needling ya!
I agree that there are pockets. I'm up on Skyline quite a bit and sometimes all I have to do is turn 90 degrees and I get more bars.

 

[rnmif]

Ooops! Just needling ya!
I agree that there are pockets. I'm up on Skyline quite a bit and sometimes all I have to do is turn 90 degrees and I get more bars.

I've used Mr. Spock earbud for years now. Like both hands on the wheel and eyes on the road.

Needling welcome. In our family, a well-timed, and sportsmanly jab is a sign of affection and respect!

I'm terrible at directions, a friend used to have to talk me through various areas over there.

I was up there a few times before we left, to go pay my respects, with various phones (my son and daughter have different carriers, my husband's work cel is a different carrier), and all experienced the same outages and... solutions.

 

[desquire]

To be honest I would have preferred to read that her conversations with M. Cook were discussing the kids at length. That she was discussing her fear for Kyron, that she was saying she missed the children and wished there was a way to make things right. That she is innocent and hoped it would be resolved soon.

But to even bring Kyron's name and the babies name up once, into these conversations, full of Terri Self indulging and putting on a big act for M. Cook disgusts me.

When the full texts come out, if they do, hopefully there was one phone call that is much more about the children for Terri's sake. I'm not holding my breath. She is her own worst enemy carrying on the way she did. Asking a man who she is trying to sexually seduce to lie to her attorney and schooling him on the way that LE traces a phone. Her whole persona is that this is some kind of big joke. It is very disturbing at least.

I think we need to keep an open mind. At this point, we're only seeing what Kaine wants us to see and in the light Kaine chooses to portray those things. Clearly there are exchanges where Terri expresses the sorts of things you mention in your first paragraph and my hunch is that they are substantial, otherwise Kaine would not have mentioned them and tried to explain them away in his affidavit (small inconsistencies you ignore and treat as if they are too inconsequential to bother with, bigger inconsistencies you have to address and argue that they don't have the significance they appear to have). The bottom line is we don't know until, as you say, we see the whole thing and hear both sides of the story. Arguments in motions practice are supposed to be persuasive - if you buy in to the first one you read or only the arguments from one side, you will never have a real understanding of the situation.

 

[ami]

That link is to Kaine/Rackner attesting in a court document that Terri stated multiple times that she misses both Kyron and the baby.

I do understand if you don't want to take Kaine/Rackner's word for it.

Sure, I believe their word, since they haven't proven to be dishonest, have shown evidence to back up their words when necessary - and since Kaine is a victim rather than a suspect and Rackner is representing the victim, they have my sympathy and respect.

Anyway, guilty and innocent suspects alike would have (and have) said as much (that they miss the victim) during an investigation into their missing spouse or child. It'd be silly to try to remain out of jail and not express concern for the missing person.

I'll be interested to see when all is said in done how much Terri's actions give weight to her words. To see the things she was willing to personally sacrifice to find Kyron and to try to regain parenting time with baby K.

 

[Jo in Calif]

Posting for reference:

"She's a mess. I talk to her at least every other day,'' says Jennifer Jones, a close friend. "She sends me text messages at random and says, 'I miss my son; I want my son back.' It's heartbreaking to talk to her."

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20397133,00.html

Thank you for posting this reference to people magazine. If you read down in the article you can read how Jennifer was so kind to let us all know the true story about Desiree being friends with Terri and how Terri stepped in to take care of Kyron. As for myself, I would take anything this woman says with a giant grain of salt.

 

[ami]

I think we need to keep an open mind. At this point, we're only seeing what Kaine wants us to see and in the light Kaine chooses to portray those things. Clearly there are exchanges where Terri expresses the sorts of things you mention in your first paragraph and my hunch is that they are substantial, otherwise Kaine would not have mentioned them and tried to explain them away in his affidavit (small inconsistencies you ignore and treat as if they are too inconsequential to bother with, bigger inconsistencies you have to address and argue that they don't have the significance they appear to have). The bottom line is we don't know until, as you say, we see the whole thing and hear both sides of the story. Arguments in motions practice are supposed to be persuasive - if you buy in to the first one you read or only the arguments from one side, you will never have a real understanding of the situation.

I think one of the problems is the vacuum of information about Terri - the people who are suspicious of her are the only ones talking, so their characterization of her poured into the breach.

Before Kaine said much of anything about Terri people suspected her. She acted suspiciously, her story didn't add up, her body language sat really wrong with folks, the emails she wrote to her friends that were released raised eyebrows and fueled the fire of suspicion. Now people are hearing from someone who knew her intimately, but who is also as shocked at her behavior as we are, and it reinforces those first impressions. Next we're reading a small snippet of her own words and behavior and it also reinforces the mental picture some folks had of her before we ever knew she wrote that stuff. It seems like each new block of facts supports the one that came before it.

I don't think Kaine's word is the entire story - far from it. I also don't think Kaine is a saint by any stretch. But trying to separate out the Kyron case from the divorce case is really hard, emotionally, at least for me as a bystander. I see Kaine as one of the victims in the Kyron case. He's the aggressor in the divorce case. If Kyron wasn't missing, if his own wife wasn't the main suspect, if he didn't deep down think that his own baby witnessed his son's murder - I'd think Kaine was an oinking for releasing those texts during his divorce. I also think Terri will have a hard time smearing Kaine in the divorce because he IS a victim, because his son is missing, because she's the suspect and it would make her look like a monster for trying to demean him against that backdrop. In other circumstances I'd feel sorry for her. But Kyron's disappearance changes things. It makes it hard for me to react the way I would ordinarily, or think of things separately.