The Texts Messages: Warning! Graphic SEXUALLY EXPLICIT

[stmarysmead]

I think we need to keep an open mind. At this point, we're only seeing what Kaine wants us to see and in the light Kaine chooses to portray those things.



The texts we have read can hardly be portrayed any way other than they appear. What part of the graphic behavior Teri displays here (along with displaying herself in accompanying photos) can be "spun" any other way? Seriously, they speak for themselves. Kaine is putting no words in Terri's mouth or cell phone camera in her hands. Her words...are what they are. Please explain what other "light" you think will make these exchanges sound appropriate to a grieving mother?



Clearly there are exchanges where Terri expresses the sorts of things you mention in your first paragraph and my hunch is that they are substantial, otherwise Kaine would not have mentioned them and tried to explain them away in his affidavit (small inconsistencies you ignore and treat as if they are too inconsequential to bother with, bigger inconsistencies you have to address and argue that they don't have the significance they appear to have).



I don't believe that "clearly" we know there are any "substantial" posts about Kyron and Kiara. If there are...why haven't we seen them released to the media in these two days since? Wouldn't a very expensive lawyer hop right on that...if he has such material? I'd want to do damage control as soon as possible. The only texts we see clearly are the ones we have now. We will have to wait to see if somehow texts replete with immense sorrow and fear immediately proceeded Terri's decision to photograph her "body parts " (hat tip for that phrase to Chris Coleman)


The bottom line is we don't know until, as you say, we see the whole thing and hear both sides of the story. Arguments in motions practice are supposed to be persuasive - if you buy in to the first one you read or only the arguments from one side, you will never have a real understanding of the situation.

We aren't "buying"...we're reading. This is a lengthy exchange...sex, lies and cell phone photos. I wonder what Desiree was doing that night? Probably curled in a fetal position desolate with grief. But, we'll wait and see if Terri's expensive attorneys can match this with long exchanges of Terri's equal desolation.

 

[Trt]

It's rather simplistic to say there is no coverage. I lived in the area when we first moved there in 2006, and we had Verizon. If you note, they actually have excellent coverage over the entire area, what shows on the map as no coverage is actually microtopography interfering with coverage, so they do not show it as available, since they can not guarantee reliable coverage. However factors such as low wireless traffic and weather systems in the area can increase signal that normally would be weak. I've driven that stretch of Corn Pass probably hundreds of times, often while on a call. Sometimes I'd lose my signal by the time we reached Skyline. Sometimes I'd get all the way to 30 and never lose my signal. The road is at a far lower elevation than the Horman home.

Additionally, the Horman home sits higher than typical topography where the "no service" location is mapped.

As for the rest, I disagree.

simply posted, Terri's friends gave one reason for the throw away phones being that none of their Verizon phones received service at the home. That, coupled with Verizon wireless's own website(and legend as posted in the link) stating that white means no analog and no digital service available, leads me to to stick with the simplistic explanation. Jmo

 

[Trt]

As our lawyers have mentioned, only a judge can seal public records. The RO was sealed because the DA sent a letter suggesting that the release would jeopardize a criminal invesigation. The fact that Terri's reputation would be soiled and her son "might" see them(somethig she herself was not worried about as she was texting them) wouldn't necessarily make for a reason to seal he records.

Also, a good point was made at another board I frequent that an in camera hearing would negate the whole request not to have the hearing expedited. Meaning that time was of the essence and an in-camera hearing would be fruitless.

 

[Shadowboy]

As our lawyers have mentioned, only a judge can seal public records. The RO was sealed because the DA sent a letter suggesting that the release would jeopardize a criminal invesigation. The fact that Terri's reputation would be soiled and her son "might" see them(somethig she herself was not worried about as she was texting them) wouldn't necessarily make for a reason to seal he records.

Also, a good point was made at another board I frequent that an in camera hearing would negate the whole request not to have the hearing expedited. Meaning that time was of the essence and an in-camera hearing would be fruitless.

And, although I can't find the doc right now, when these text messages were first brought forth as proof TH violated the restraining order, an in camera review of them was requested. The specifics were not released. Only when pressed to "document" TH's fitness (or lack thereof) did KH's legal team fire these bullets.

 

[revampz]

I have not read all the posts in this thread.....but I DID read the texts!!

I have known women like this.......

She is very clever and extremely manipulative.......

I also can not get over how aggressive she is, but like I said, I have known women like this who use sexual aggressiveness to manipulate men...

I am positive she does this well and has all her life....hence Kaine being with her in the first place when his wife was pregnant......

to put it nicely she'd be a "swinging of the chandeliers" type of gal.....

I dont think she was probably even "indulging".......but it was her who turned this talk sexual and I bet it was for a reason......she needed this guy for some reason and used sex........maybe just to have him on her side......she says she has to tell him something..

I think this poor guy got in way too deep and when she asked him to lie, he got very scared and scared of her....

this woman is very cunning

 

[PaulaF513]

Respondent, at times, references the fact that she misses both children, K and K

http://www.koinlocal6.com/media/lib/107/b/2/c/b2c0c26c-4221-4fde-a923-fa5788b1ad69/Horman.pdf

The quote must be read in it's entirety to represent what Kaine was saying through his attorney. He was saying he believes Terri was giving misrepresentation that she missed the children given that the significant majority of the material was personal or social.


"While Respondent, at times, references the fact that she misses both children, K and Kyron, the significant majority of the material deals with social and personal matters between Mr. Cook and respondent and belies that assertion. "

I read this to indicate that in at least one of the texts between TH and MC, she stated she missed both K and K. I imagine when the full and complete texts are publicized in their entireity, we will see the comment.

I take issue with the allegation that TH sought to "abduct" her own daughter, given the fact that at the time of the event, she had not yet been served with the RO. She was still a mother whose husband had left her, taking their infant daughter.

I am not interested in "taking sides" here....I have no clue as to Kyron's fate nor to the person responsible for it. That imo, is the tragedy, not this soap opera that is playing out in the public venue, while a little boy remains missing. The only thing that should be of any concern is his whereabouts. Find him and worry about who done it later.

 

[rnmif]

simply posted, Terri's friends gave one reason for the throw away phones being that none of their Verizon phones received service at the home. That, coupled with Verizon wireless's own website(and legend as posted in the link) stating that white means no analog and no digital service available, leads me to to stick with the simplistic explanation. Jmo

Not having service when you need it is substantively the same, but still inaccurate to say there is no service. I've been there. I've used a Verizon phone there. There is indeed service, just not reliable service.

Places that don't get service during the day (peak hours, higher cloud cover) often suddenly get fantastic coverage after nightfall. Which might explain a lot.

 

[Trt]

I am only going by what we've heard regarding Terri's cell phone service. She didn't get
service at her home, hence one of the reasons given for purchasing the throw away phones. (along with finding a lawyer and avoiding police surveillance.)

Jmo

 

[Tink56]

I read this to indicate that in at least one of the texts between TH and MC, she stated she missed both K and K. I imagine when the full and complete texts are publicized in their entireity, we will see the comment.

I take issue with the allegation that TH sought to "abduct" her own daughter, given the fact that at the time of the event, she had not yet been served with the RO. She was still a mother whose husband had left her, taking their infant daughter. I am not interested in "taking sides" here....I have no clue as to Kyron's fate nor to the person responsible for it. That imo, is the tragedy, not this soap opera that is playing out in the public venue, while a little boy remains missing. The only thing that should be of any concern is his whereabouts. Find him and worry about who done it later.

BBM...I agree that I do not think at the moment TMH was in the gym asking about KH's schedule, etc., she knew about the restraining order, but she was being sneaky and trying to have the girl who works in the daycare facility "help" her "get" her daughter after KH had explained that he took Baby K for safety reasons. Once again, she wanted something and was willing to involve others to get what she wanted. This "pattern" is indicative of a sense of entitlement, IMO.

And, you're right, the true tragedy is that KyH is somewhere, away from his parents and siblings. And, each night his parents try to sleep, IMO, not knowing where their son is. However, KH also must insure his daughter's safety. He doesn't know what happened to Ky, or if and to what extent TMH was involved, and would rather err on the side of caution. I respect and understand those feelings.

Unfortunately, IMO, TMH has made decisions that have not presented her in a sympathetic light. I will reevaluate this opinion, if and when, TMH speaks through her attorney or she presents her side of the story.

 

[JBean]

What I find more startling about these texts is not the sexual content, but rather her clear grandiosity and what she is grandiose about .

These texts are about the most expensive lawyer, the strongest woman, the most sexually capable woman, the most sexually desired woman, I can surpass you in every way and you should know it.

BIgger- better- best and all to the extreme. her exaggerations are how she defines herself. It is important for her to make sure MC knows that she is physically stronger than he is and even that she can physically bench lift more than not only what he weighs but EVERY man she has been with.What is that about?

She makes it clear that she is ahead of him, that she can beat him in every way (you know what I mean), and that she will dominate him in every way.

But what makes this grandiosity and exaggeration so interesting to me, is her superiority revolves around what could be considered more masculine traits. Aggressive sex and physical brut strength. Challenging a man to armwrestle specifically to prove she is physically superior?


I understand that this type of grandiosity is often a characteristic of things like bipolar mania or narcissism. But what I am fascinated with is that her grandiosity is so centered on her masculine side when a child is missing and she has a 22 month old daughter of her own. The juxtaposition of those 2 things is of interest to me.
Even when talking to MC she imagines if his child was not there that night, what she would do to him physically and sexually to dominate him. This is at a time when most are holding their children a little tighter and perhaps being more protective. This is so unusual,imo.

This doesn't seem to be about sexual release to ease tension or engaging in pleasurable behavior to cope with adversity. this is about her superiority.

Please-I understand that men and women are capable of doing anything they choose and I am not saying that women can't have stronger sex drives and or can't be physically stronger, because they certainly can. I love sex , I am strong as an ox, love sports and hate shopping so I get that.


But to be driven by physical strength, specifically over men and being more sexually dominant are leaning more towards the male side and in an exaggerated degree. Moreover, this is of paramount importance to her ,evidenced by the fact that she is even pursuing this at a time, when everyone else in her immediate circle is preoccupied with a missing child.Equally as interesting is the fact that MC is so interested in being dominated by her at this time. how can this not stop and make us wonder what is going on here?


I further understand that this could be but a small snippet of her texts and that this is perhaps the only of behavior of its kind that she has made. Perhaps her other texts are much more appropriate for the circumstances and I will be interested in reading those tests as well.

 

[ThoughtFox]

I read this to indicate that in at least one of the texts between TH and MC, she stated she missed both K and K. I imagine when the full and complete texts are publicized in their entireity, we will see the comment.

I take issue with the allegation that TH sought to "abduct" her own daughter, given the fact that at the time of the event, she had not yet been served with the RO. She was still a mother whose husband had left her, taking their infant daughter.

I am not interested in "taking sides" here....I have no clue as to Kyron's fate nor to the person responsible for it. That imo, is the tragedy, not this soap opera that is playing out in the public venue, while a little boy remains missing. The only thing that should be of any concern is his whereabouts. Find him and worry about who done it later.

Find him? Maybe TH is the key to finding him. Maybe they already know who's to blame and looking at TH more closely is the key to finding Kyron.

The point is, once again, the texting is more about Terri's frame of mind than about Kyron, too. Terri is talking about sex, self-love (so to speak), and trying to win over a stranger using naked pictures of herself.

So no, for me her motherly impulse is not shining through. I think I missed her concern somehow. :twocents:

Personally I think when we see "all" of the sexting and find out even more about TH's personal life, things will seem alot worse than alot better.

People can lie about having concern, too. They can obviously lie about fidelity. They can lie about being Mom of the Year and a dedicated parent.

 

[txsvicki]

I'd be interested to know how Terri got the idea that MC might like to be dominated, if that was really her intent. Were there texts from a previous day or phone conversations that led up to the sexting that we've seen? Terri said she really wants to please him, but how did she know that all the strength talk would do that. Plus, she mentions latex. He seemed to know what she meant, but was it a latex rubber suit of some sort, gloves, or condom. Why she'd want to please some man she barely knew when Kyron was missing and all the other things going on is beyond me. It could be taken that she was trying to be a dominator, but he was really the one doing the dominating since she was so eager to please.

 

[tragco]

I'm curious if it's possible to tell from the *recipient* phone when the pix were taken, or even if they were taken with the sender's phone, uploaded, forwarded, what?

I'm also curious how such texts are authenticated as being from the sender's phone.

I know nothing about what tools LE has at their disposal, and how reliable they are.

Yes, it is impossible to tell from the recipient phone when the pictures were taken.

The recipient's phone cannot tell if they were taken from the sender's phone, only that they were stored on the sender's phone at some point before being sent (which could be the result of uploading, forwarding, downloading from a computer onto the sender's phone, etc.)

How are text authenticated as being from the sender's phone? The easy answer is phone records.

Yes, you can hack into a cell phone. But hacking into a cellphone doesn't give you control of the phone. It just lets you sit back and look around to see what's in there, and watch texts/hear calls.

If you are an amazing hacker, you can take control of the phone and make calls if you can find some security breach. That is extremely hard to do and I will just say the possibility of this happening with Terri is almost zero unless some corrupt government official was involved.

I'll only post an LA times article to give some explanation, but understand smart phones aren't the only ones that can be hacked:

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jul/04/business/la-fi-mobile-security-20100704

If you want to read more about hacking someone's cell phone, google it. But I would not recommend it. Hackers love to hack, ergo sites that tell you how to hack will often attempt to hack your computer.

Oh, the goodies LE has at their disposal. Especially if they are working with the FBI. Let's just say Terri is wrong thinking that physical access to your phone is required to make it "dirty", as she puts it.

 

[PDXMom]

What I find more startling about these texts is not the sexual content, but rather her clear grandiosity and what she is grandiose about .

These texts are about the most expensive lawyer, the strongest woman, the most sexually capable woman, the most sexually desired woman, I can surpass you in every way and you should know it.

BIgger- better- best and all to the extreme. her exaggerations are how she defines herself. It is important for her to make sure MC knows that she is physically stronger than he is and even that she can physically bench lift more than not only what he weighs but EVERY man she has been with.What is that about?

She makes it clear that she is ahead of him, that she can beat him in every way (you know what I mean), and that she will dominate him in every way.

But what makes this grandiosity and exaggeration so interesting to me, is her superiority revolves around what could be considered more masculine traits. Aggressive sex and physical brut strength. Challenging a man to armwrestle specifically to prove she is physically superior?


I understand that this type of grandiosity is often a characteristic of things like bipolar mania or narcissism. But what I am fascinated with is that her grandiosity is so centered on her masculine side when a child is missing and she has a 22 month old daughter of her own. The juxtaposition of those 2 things is of interest to me.
Even when talking to MC she imagines if his child was not there that night, what she would do to him physically and sexually to dominate him. This is at a time when most are holding their children a little tighter and perhaps being more protective. This is so unusual,imo.

This doesn't seem to be about sexual release to ease tension or engaging in pleasurable behavior to cope with adversity. this is about her superiority.

Please-I understand that men and women are capable of doing anything they choose and I am not saying that women can't have stronger sex drives and or can't be physically stronger, because they certainly can. I love sex , I am strong as an ox, love sports and hate shopping so I get that.


But to be driven by physical strength, specifically over men and being more sexually dominant are leaning more towards the male side and in an exaggerated degree. Moreover, this is of paramount importance to her ,evidenced by the fact that she is even pursuing this at a time, when everyone else in her immediate circle is preoccupied with a missing child.Equally as interesting is the fact that MC is so interested in being dominated by her at this time. how can this not stop and make us wonder what is going on here?


I further understand that this could be but a small snippet of her texts and that this is perhaps the only of behavior of its kind that she has made. Perhaps her other texts are much more appropriate for the circumstances and I will be interested in reading those tests as well.

Thank you JBean, for that post. I've been trying to figure out just what it is that bothered me so much about reading the texts. It's not the sex, but the superiority theme and the timing that is really nagging at me. You analyzed it very well, and I'm understanding my repulsion to it a lot better after reading your post.

 

[mmmagique]

If everything we know to be Terri is not one sided and is factual (which is impossible, IMO, because we mere mortals can not see multiple sides of the same story, as evinced here on a daily basis) then I would suspect she is a borderline.

Even for a borderline, those texts represent an abnormal obsession with sex, to the exclusion of anything else.

Borderlines tend to come in two distinct types of behavior, those who act "out", and those who act "in".

The obsession with sex, particularly in female borderlines comes from a desperate need for love and acceptance. They tend to be the ones who feel powerless and weak.

A big red flag for me was Terri's lack of response to MCs concern over the nasty article, asking if she was okay. Since a borderline trades sex for affection, any real affection offered will be capitalized on, the sex as a tool for feeling loved is no longer necessary. Not only did she not seem (from what little we could read) to bask in the offered sympathy, she went back to the sex.

So perhaps Terri is the kind of borderline that acts out, what you might term a rageaholic. Except thrill-seeking is typically more their game, and they do NOT fly under the radar.

If borderline is on the table based on what we know, these are the only two possibilities. Which means there is a third possibility, which is she's not a borderline at all. At which point I'm completely flummoxed, because the data to this point has done an excellent job of making her LOOK like a borderline.

My problem is, it's the rageaholic borderline that might have done something to Kyron. The weak, needy borderline isn't prone to violence in any way, shape or form, they see themselves as powerless, hence the needy, grasping, desperate behavior. But that neediness would have pounced all over MC offering sympathy. And Terri didn't.

Why?

If she's a rageaholic, it's statistically improbable that she would have made it to such an advanced age without doing significant jail time, or in some other way being unable to maintain any kind of functional public persona.

(this is a FR, so forgive me if I've missed others saying the same or similar things.)
Interesting. Thank you for your perspective.
I don't see it that way however.
I can think of another reason Terri would keep going back to sex. She wanted something from MC, (a friend of Kaine's on the "inside" on her side) and she thought using her incredible sex appeal would get that for her.

I don't see her as a rageaholic at all, btw.
Just the opposite, as a matter of fact. Methodical, calculating, and manipulative.

 

[mmmagique]

The above is one explanation, it is not the only explanation.

Additionally, there may be some perfectly normal reasons Terri herself might have had naked photos of herself already on her phone.

Additionally they may have been uploaded to her phone.

It would be interesting to know if those taken with the phone vs uploaded have a fingerprint, and if the fingerprint tells when the picture was taken and by what device.

1. What other reasonable explanation can there be?
2. What perfectly normal reasons would a mother and a wanna be teacher have for having naked pics on her phone.
3. Uploaded or taken by her phone...what is the difference?

 

[mmmagique]

If someone close to her in a moment of passion took photos on her phone, or had them already, and had installed software to control her phone, and texted the photos TO her phone, waiting to control her phone and text with MC....

I'm not sure what the digital fingerprint of those photos might be. I would know better with email and file type sent.

Additionally, to my knowledge TH is not herself terribly technologically literate, yet she was using some highly sophisticated language in those texts. Language I have yet to see any other indicators of in other correspondence we've seen from her (released emails, FB pages).

I've only seen one released email from her, and it was an alibi email, so I have no idea whether she was technically literate or not.

I do think that when it was in her best interest to learn, she did (and quickly!) hence the talk about flashing the phones.

 

[rnmif]

Yes, it is impossible to tell from the recipient phone when the pictures were taken.

The recipient's phone cannot tell if they were taken from the sender's phone, only that they were stored on the sender's phone at some point before being sent (which could be the result of uploading, forwarding, downloading from a computer onto the sender's phone, etc.)

How are text authenticated as being from the sender's phone? The easy answer is phone records.

Yes, you can hack into a cell phone. But hacking into a cellphone doesn't give you control of the phone. It just lets you sit back and look around to see what's in there, and watch texts/hear calls.

If you are an amazing hacker, you can take control of the phone and make calls if you can find some security breach. That is extremely hard to do and I will just say the possibility of this happening with Terri is almost zero unless some corrupt government official was involved.

I'll only post an LA times article to give some explanation, but understand smart phones aren't the only ones that can be hacked:

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jul/04/business/la-fi-mobile-security-20100704

If you want to read more about hacking someone's cell phone, google it. But I would not recommend it. Hackers love to hack, ergo sites that tell you how to hack will often attempt to hack your computer.

Oh, the goodies LE has at their disposal. Especially if they are working with the FBI. Let's just say Terri is wrong thinking that physical access to your phone is required to make it "dirty", as she puts it.

It has been discussed here before that there is software that will allow someone to control a smart phone remotely, including turning it on and off, and using it as a de facto wiretap device, as well as sending texts via that phone remotely.

 

[Donjeta]

Would Terri's expensive lawyers have simply sat on their hands avoiding all comment and allowed Kaine to use text messages and photos sent by someone other than Terri as a weapon in their court case?

 

[krowdkat]

Would Terri's expensive lawyers have simply sat on their hands avoiding all comment and allowed Kaine to use text messages and photos sent by someone other than Terri as a weapon in their court case?

Nope. Rope a dope. Th's lawyers are just sitting back and trying to figure out how to defend someone stuck between a rock and a hard space (thru her own doings) and capitalize their expertise in the legal arena.

I'm not angry at them. I believe we all deserve a good defense whether guilty or innocent.

Currently, I feel, they have their work cut out for them. As long as they get paid and aren't ineffective counsel...I'm good. I personally believe the truth shall prevail.