The Texts Messages: Warning! Graphic SEXUALLY EXPLICIT

[sorrell skye]

Hypersexual Disorder is proposed as a new sexual disorder diagnostic category.

http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevisions/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=415

Hypersexual Disorder

A. Over a period of at least six months, recurrent and intense sexual fantasies, sexual urges, and sexual behavior in association with four or more of the following five criteria:

(1) Excessive time is consumed by sexual fantasies and urges, and by planning for and engaging in sexual behavior.

(2) Repetitively engaging in these sexual fantasies, urges, and behavior in response to dysphoric mood states (e.g., anxiety, depression, boredom, irritability).

(3) Repetitively engaging in sexual fantasies, urges, and behavior in response to stressful life events.

(4) Repetitive but unsuccessful efforts to control or significantly reduce these sexual fantasies, urges, and behavior.

(5) Repetitively engaging in sexual behavior while disregarding the risk for physical or emotional harm to self or others.

B. There is clinically significant personal distress or impairment in social, occupational or other important areas of functioning associated with the frequency and intensity of these sexual fantasies, urges, and behavior.

C. These sexual fantasies, urges, and behavior are not due to direct physiological effects of exogenous substances (e.g., drugs of abuse or medications) or to Manic Episodes.

D. The person is at least 18 years of age.


More info on the rationale for the proposed revision is available @ this link:

http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevisions/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=415#

 

[stmarysmead]

It has been discussed here before that there is software that will allow someone to control a smart phone remotely, including turning it on and off, and using it as a de facto wiretap device, as well as sending texts via that phone remotely.

I have every confidence that Terri has excellent legal representation and will "get her money's worth." If there are sophisticated cyber-plots against her, or manipulation of old naked photos she had saved for some reason on her phone...I'm sure these attorneys will see that the culprits are exposed....and it will be a "win" in her column. If Terri Horman is a woman more "sinned against, than sinning"...she has expensive, top-notch legal representation and apparently some mysterious "someone" with very DEEP pockets willing to pick up the tab.

Terri has some big money on her side...we know that by her attorneys words...gifting her with hundreds of thousands of dollars for her legal woes. She has the best money can buy... paid for by someone who needs to...remain anonymous for some reason. If there is a Mr. Big in this case...he's on Terri's side...shelling out the big bucks...hiding in the shadows. How lucky she is to have such wealthy friends! Most unemployed housewives do not have such mysterious Big Money backers. And, no...I highly doubt it's Mom and Dad's mortgage. If you have an easy answer, you give it. That is the easiest, most harmless answer of all.

The big question is...why the secrecy? Is the source of the money unseemly...something that , linked with these texts, will further heighten disgust against Terri?

Kaine, on the other hand, is just a working guy, with a missing son, and a wife that LE tells him probably hurt that child and tried to kill him. But no one in the shadows has stepped forward to pick up his tab.

Interesting....

On another topic..I'm willing to believe that there are probably other texts that are more favorable to Terri...in hundreds of texts I doubt that even the most narcissistic sex addict could maintain control of the subject matter so completely.

I also believe that Terri is quite manipulative and it might well suit her to "use" her children and Kyron's tragedy...to pull back into her Web a man who sounds like he's wavering. If sex isn't working, or bragging about your strength...HMMMM...let's remind him I'm missing the kids...let's use his empathy to pull him close. So, yes, I expect to see some of those texts.

I hope we get to read all the texts...in timed order...and with indication of when photos were sent. I want to see the percentage of time spent talking about Kyron's disappearance vs. talking about HERSELF. It is my experience that most of us don't stray long in conversation when we have an objective. If Terri's "objective" is consolation from the disappearance of a little boy she loves...she will come back to that over and over. She will be "needing" comfort.

We will be able to see what is consuming her mind, her heart, her thought process. My friend's dog was missing for a few days awhile ago...her son won a big honor at school during that time but after the happiness and the mention...always back to the dog...was he okay? Had he been hit by a car? It was always on her mind.

The dog. Not a child.

So if Terri's attorney can show that Kyron was never far from Terri's mind...and her Baby K.. I think he will. If the worst is out all ready, he has nothing to lose, does he?...to show us the warm,fuzzy Motherly stuff...and put it ALL in context.

In fact, I think that would be a great coup.

I'm waiting for it.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

I'm going to add a warning, JBean. To be honest, they were too nasty for me and others might also feel sickened by them.

I feel like I need to Lysol my eyes after reading just a part of that.

 

[mmmagique]

Hypersexual Disorder is proposed as a new sexual disorder diagnostic category.

http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevisions/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=415

Hypersexual Disorder

A. Over a period of at least six months, recurrent and intense sexual fantasies, sexual urges, and sexual behavior in association with four or more of the following five criteria:

(1) Excessive time is consumed by sexual fantasies and urges, and by planning for and engaging in sexual behavior.

(2) Repetitively engaging in these sexual fantasies, urges, and behavior in response to dysphoric mood states (e.g., anxiety, depression, boredom, irritability).

(3) Repetitively engaging in sexual fantasies, urges, and behavior in response to stressful life events.

(4) Repetitive but unsuccessful efforts to control or significantly reduce these sexual fantasies, urges, and behavior.

(5) Repetitively engaging in sexual behavior while disregarding the risk for physical or emotional harm to self or others.

B. There is clinically significant personal distress or impairment in social, occupational or other important areas of functioning associated with the frequency and intensity of these sexual fantasies, urges, and behavior.

C. These sexual fantasies, urges, and behavior are not due to direct physiological effects of exogenous substances (e.g., drugs of abuse or medications) or to Manic Episodes.

D. The person is at least 18 years of age.

More info on the rationale for the proposed revision is available @ this link:

http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevisions/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=415#

So before the age of 18 it's called hormones. After 18, it's a disorder! :dance:

 

[grandmaj]

Stop with the Snark, Sarcasm and Personalization of posts.

 

[SleuthyMama]

I read the text messages. They aren't the worst I have ever seen (screamingly aggressive, though) but within the context of what is going on around her, I believe they shine a very bright light on her state of mind. And if and when additional evidence is found to prove she was directly responsible for Kyron's disappearance, I think they will prove even more enlightening to a jury.

I'd like to touch again on something I said about Terri previously, though. I think she is an expert manipulator. I think she is incredibly adept at reading people, sizing them up and then tailoring the way she deals with them in a way that allows her to get exactly what she wants out of them. Terri is a Pisces and to make a comparison, so is Casey Anthony. Both of those women could be considered chameleon-like. They mold themselves to fit the situation they find themselves in.

So I agree that there was something she wanted out of Mr. Cook. And I don't believe it was just sex. Maybe it was just to have "someone" on her side. It was just that sex was the way she thought she was going to get it. I agree with the poster(s) above who felt that Cook got scared about the lying and ran away before she could really get her claws in.

 

[loves2bmom]

I read this to indicate that in at least one of the texts between TH and MC, she stated she missed both K and K. I imagine when the full and complete texts are publicized in their entireity, we will see the comment.

I take issue with the allegation that TH sought to "abduct" her own daughter, given the fact that at the time of the event, she had not yet been served with the RO. She was still a mother whose husband had left her, taking their infant daughter.

I am not interested in "taking sides" here....I have no clue as to Kyron's fate nor to the person responsible for it. That imo, is the tragedy, not this soap opera that is playing out in the public venue, while a little boy remains missing. The only thing that should be of any concern is his whereabouts. Find him and worry about who done it later.

I don't know the exact timing of when she was served but I was under the impression it all happened on the same day (June 28th) I fully believe she knew there was a restraining order against her when she went to that gym.

 

[desquire]

The texts we have read can hardly be portrayed any way other than they appear. What part of the graphic behavior Teri displays here (along with displaying herself in accompanying photos) can be "spun" any other way? Seriously, they speak for themselves. Kaine is putting no words in Terri's mouth or cell phone camera in her hands. Her words...are what they are. Please explain what other "light" you think will make these exchanges sound appropriate to a grieving mother?

Human beings are not simple creatures, unable to feel more than one emotion nor have more than one thought at any given time. In times of great emotion and stress, we often act inappropriately and irrationally and we sometimes say or do things that might appear to others to be at odds with what we really think and feel. It doesn't seem like much of a stretch to imagine that a woman who has been accused and vilified, both publicly and by those close to her, for a horrible crime she did not commit, who feels isolated and besieged, whose husband has walked out on her and taken her baby with him, whose entire world is crumbling and spinning out of control for reasons she can't comprehend, could make some grasping, desperate, frightened, pathetic attempt to find someone to grab onto for support and comfort. It doesn't seem like much of a stretch to think that such a person, who feels a lack of control over her life at the moment, might do so in the only way she has ever felt in control of other relationships. That such a person could do that and at the same time love her children and grieve the one that is missing is far fom impossible, in my experience. People aren't simple and linear and logical. So it's not at all inconcievable to me that an entirely different picture can be drawn from the exact same text messages.

I don't believe that "clearly" we know there are any "substantial" posts about Kyron and Kiara.

Kaine's has stated that "[Terri], at times, references the fact that she misses both children, K and Kyron." I believe that to be a true statement because it's one that goes against his interests. I speculated that these were probably more than passing references because he made the tactical decision to mention them preemptively rather than just ignore them

If there are...why haven't we seen them released to the media in these two days since? Wouldn't a very expensive lawyer hop right on that...if he has such material? I'd want to do damage control as soon as possible.

We very well may see them if Bunch actually has them and if he chooses to file a reply before the hearing (it would be unethical to directly release them to the press and the judge would not look with favor on that type of action, you don't want to anger the judge when you are asking him to rule in your favor). I'd be suprised if that happens though, because it would play right into Rackner's hand and would be totally inconsistent with the strategy Bunch has followed to date. The judge can rule on a pernting time modification without the need for a full inquiry into whether Terri is a good parent or not. Bunch's argument is that those are issues for the custody hearings that will happen in the divorce proceedings. Rackner is trying to ignore the abatement and start the fight now, Bunch would be foolish to fall for that. I think they are more likely to take their lumps in the press - nothing new there - and focus on taking the victories in court.

 

[Trident]

Human beings are not simple creatures, unable to feel more than one emotion nor have more than one thought at any given time. In times of great emotion and stress, we often act inappropriately and irrationally and we sometimes say or do things that might appear to others to be at odds with what we really think and feel. It doesn't seem like much of a stretch to imagine that a woman who has been accused and vilified, both publicly and by those close to her, for a horrible crime she did not commit, who feels isolated and besieged, whose husband has walked out on her and taken her baby with him, whose entire world is crumbling and spinning out of control for reasons she can't comprehend, could make some grasping, desperate, frightened, pathetic attempt to find someone to grab onto for support and comfort. It doesn't seem like much of a stretch to think that such a person, who feels a lack of control over her life at the moment, might do so in the only way she has ever felt in control of other relationships. That such a person could do that and at the same time love her children and grieve the one that is missing is far fom impossible, in my experience. People aren't simple and linear and logical. So it's not at all inconcievable to me that an entirely different picture can be drawn from the exact same text messages.


Kaine's has stated that "[Terri], at times, references the fact that she misses both children, K and Kyron." I believe that to be a true statement because it's one that goes against his interests. I speculated that these were probably more than passing references because he made the tactical decision to mention them preemptively rather than just ignore them



We very well may see them if Bunch actually has them and if he chooses to file a reply before the hearing (it would be unethical to directly release them to the press and the judge would not look with favor on that type of action, you don't want to anger the judge when you are asking him to rule in your favor). I'd be suprised if that happens though, because it would play right into Rackner's hand and would be totally inconsistent with the strategy Bunch has followed to date. The judge can rule on a pernting time modification without the need for a full inquiry into whether Terri is a good parent or not. Bunch's argument is that those are issues for the custody hearings that will happen in the divorce proceedings. Rackner is trying to ignore the abatement and start the fight now, Bunch would be foolish to fall for that. I think they are more likely to take their lumps in the press - nothing new there - and focus on taking the victories in court.

Excellent post - it deserves more than an electronic thanks.

 

[SurfieTX]

Desquire, do you think she will get some supervised parenting time after reading this motion?

 

[desquire]

I don't know the exact timing of when she was served but I was under the impression it all happened on the same day (June 28th) I fully believe she knew there was a restraining order against her when she went to that gym.

Kaine's affidavit (at paragraph 15) makes it pretty clear that Terri wasn't served with the restraining order until later that evening, after the events at the gym took place. So the term "abduction" is not being used in the legal sense of the word. Until the judge signed the RO, Terri had every right to take custody of the baby and until she knew of the RO's existence, it's kind of hard to fault her for searching for her baby anywhere Kaine might logically take her.

Ironically, it was Kaine who may have committed a crime under Oregon law, not Terri.

 

[i.b.nora]

I don't know the exact timing of when she was served but I was under the impression it all happened on the same day (June 28th) I fully believe she knew there was a restraining order against her when she went to that gym.

"The alleged abduction attempt occurred on June 28, which was two days after Kaine moved out the family’s home, taking his daughter with him. The court document indicates that Terri had not yet been served with the divorce papers and restraining order which she received at about 6 p.m. that day."

http://www.katu.com/news/98272674.html

 

[Lanie]

Human beings are not simple creatures, unable to feel more than one emotion nor have more than one thought at any given time. In times of great emotion and stress, we often act inappropriately and irrationally and we sometimes say or do things that might appear to others to be at odds with what we really think and feel. It doesn't seem like much of a stretch to imagine that a woman who has been accused and vilified, both publicly and by those close to her, for a horrible crime she did not commit, who feels isolated and besieged, whose husband has walked out on her and taken her baby with him, whose entire world is crumbling and spinning out of control for reasons she can't comprehend, could make some grasping, desperate, frightened, pathetic attempt to find someone to grab onto for support and comfort. It doesn't seem like much of a stretch to think that such a person, who feels a lack of control over her life at the moment, might do so in the only way she has ever felt in control of other relationships. That such a person could do that and at the same time love her children and grieve the one that is missing is far fom impossible, in my experience. People aren't simple and linear and logical. So it's not at all inconcievable to me that an entirely different picture can be drawn from the exact same text messages.

Respectfully snipped.

That would be feasible to me, except LE allegedly told Kaine Teri had done this many months previously, along with an attempted murder for hire plot, with a different man BEFORE Teri started this up with MC.

 

[SurfieTX]

Kaine's affidavit (at paragraph 15) makes it pretty clear that Terri wasn't served with the restraining order until later that evening, after the events at the gym took place. So the term "abduction" is not being used in the legal sense of the word. Until the judge signed the RO, Terri had every right to take custody of the baby and until she knew of the RO's existence, it's kind of hard to fault her for searching for her baby anywhere Kaine might logically take her.

Ironically, it was Kaine who may have committed a crime under Oregon law, not Terri.

I noticed they kind of danced around that by stating that on June 26, 2010, "before leaving," he had sent texts to Terri stating that he had been "briefed by law enforcement" and that he "knew what was going on."

 

[desquire]

Desquire, do you think she will get some supervised parenting time after reading this motion?

I think so. There's a very strong presumption in the law that it's in a child's best interests to have time with both parents. People with serious drug problems and long histories of domestic violence are granted parenting time every day. Even if the judge were to accept that Terri is an alcoholic and chronic sexter, these aren't things that can't be appropriately dealt with - he justs orders supervised parenting time conditioned clean drug/alcohol tests (and forbids Terri to bring her cell phone into the facility where the visit will occur ).

 

[Trt]

Kaine's affidavit (at paragraph 15) makes it pretty clear that Terri wasn't served with the restraining order until later that evening, after the events at the gym took place. So the term "abduction" is not being used in the legal sense of the word. Until the judge signed the RO, Terri had every right to take custody of the baby and until she knew of the RO's existence, it's kind of hard to fault her for searching for her baby anywhere Kaine might logically take her.

Ironically, it was Kaine who may have committed a crime under Oregon law, not Terri.

what law might Kaine have broken under Oregon law? Abduction was the term that LE told Kaine that the gym worker used. It was she who was concerned by Terri's behavior at the gym( and the worker had no idea about the RO either).

But yes, Terri broke no laws in trying to get Baby K before being officially served with the RO.

Jmo

 

[desquire]

what law might Kaine have broken under Oregon law?

163.245 Custodial interference in the second degree.
A person commits the crime of custodial interference in the second degree if, knowing or having reason to know that the person has no legal right to do so, the person takes, entices or keeps another person from the other person’s lawful custodian or in violation of a valid joint custody order with intent to hold the other person permanently or for a protracted period.

Without first obtaining a RO that gave him sole custody, Kaine had no right to take the baby from Terri with the intent to keep her from Terri for a protracted period. The issue would be whethertwo days could be deemed a "protracted period" and, if not, what his intent was if a RO had not been granted.

 

[rnmif]

Would Terri's expensive lawyers have simply sat on their hands avoiding all comment and allowed Kaine to use text messages and photos sent by someone other than Terri as a weapon in their court case?

My understanding is that for the defense to try a case in the court of public opinion is never a good idea so... Yes.

 

[rnmif]

Nope. Rope a dope. Th's lawyers are just sitting back and trying to figure out how to defend someone stuck between a rock and a hard space (thru her own doings) and capitalize their expertise in the legal arena.

I'm not angry at them. I believe we all deserve a good defense whether guilty or innocent.

Currently, I feel, they have their work cut out for them. As long as they get paid and aren't ineffective counsel...I'm good. I personally believe the truth shall prevail.

I'm not so sure. This is what has kept me from falling off the fence with every new bombshell.

I've gone back and compared Houze's statements to other cases, particularly those where the client's guilt was irrefutable.

Very different Houze. He believes Terri has been wronged. How, I obviously have no idea. That doesn't necessarily mean she's innocent, but he is angry.

Considering my opinion of Houze is that he's a self-serving egotistical horse's patooty.... that gives me considerable pause in weighing TH's guilt.

As always, I will be interested to see this go to trial. I want to see what Houze thinks he knows that we don't, and why he's so damned confident.

 

[Trt]

163.245 Custodial interference in the second degree.
A person commits the crime of custodial interference in the second degree if, knowing or having reason to know that the person has no legal right to do so, the person takes, entices or keeps another person from the other person’s lawful custodian or in violation of a valid joint custody order with intent to hold the other person permanently or for a protracted period.

Without first obtaining a RO that gave him sole custody, Kaine had no right to take the baby from Terri with the intent to keep her from Terri for a protracted period. The issue would be whethertwo days could be deemed a "protracted period" and, if not, what his intent was if a RO had not been granted.

If Kaine had broken a law by Oregon statutes, Terri's custody call to 911 on the night of June 26th would have turned out differently. Just as Terri would have broken no laws by taking ba
by K had she been in the gym daycare that day. Jmo


Eta: sorry...I missed the protracted period part. Since Kaine filed for the RO on the first day that he could (according to the FAPA RO statutes), and since he received the RO without being
arrested or charged himself, I'm pretty sure he was within the law with his actions.