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[desquire]

To the mods: I would like some clarification regarding professional posters.

I'll take the lawyers as an example. Right now there are 3 excellent lawyers giving their professional opinions on the 'verified lawyer's thread'. Each lawyer comes from a different background and therefore, give a different slant on a question. We are lucky indeed to have such varied insight provided to us.

If the professional lawyers venture to the threads to give an opinion is it to be assumed it's a professional opinion or can professional posters give their opinion in general. Are professional posters ALWAYS professional posters? TIA

I'll go you one better. I won't speak for the others but, anything I post here or in the Lawyers thread, it's always my opinion only. Like everyone else here, my opinion is always going to be colored by my knowledge and experiences, both personal and professional. As such my opinion is no more or less valid than anyone else's on a given topic. People always expect that law is a black and white thing, I deal with people all the time who seem to think there is some book that lawyers memorize or have somewhere with all the answers in it. Really, the law is just a collection of principles that need to be interpreted in light of whatever facts are at issue. Interpretation = opinion. So when I opine on what I think a judge might decide, I'm just looking at the facts and trying to predict how the judge might apply the applicable legal principles (i.e., I'm guessing). I imagine gitana and AZ would say the same thing. So for anyone to hold up something we say and point to it as a definitive statement or a discussion closer, that would be wrong.

 

[Trt]

The only reason to wear a poker face is if you're playing a hand.

Or if you're bluffing...that's more a reason than the former. JMO

 

[eyes4crime]

That is an ecellent question. Absolutely professional posters can give their opinions on all the cases we follow. Their opinions are based I am sure on their experience with life just like ours.

Just because someone is a professional does not mean they can't have their own opinion. The only difference is if they post about certain areas of the law while stating that opinion then we know they know what they are talking about.

Thanks for your reply Tricia. As you know I'm a professional poster in the area of 'drugs'. I ask this question because if I'm doing a consult in a hospital with doctors giving me the facts as they know them, lab test reviewed along with patient history, very different from giving an opinion about a situation involving drugs or drug therapy here on WS.

Let's take the drug Suboxone, an office based treatment for Opiate addictions. If I'm on the professional threads, I will respond based on recent literature, recent research, and personal experience with the drug. If on a general thread where a person has been placed on Suboxone, not knowing all the facts, I may say the person should be in inpatient rather than office based treatment. The later is an opinion based on what little I know about the case through WS. One is based on facts as I know them and the other is based on opinion based on partial information. If I give an opinion, I don't care to be attacked as a professional or pressured because another person has a different opinion.

I appreciate all the professional posters :blowkiss: They give of their time generously and I know you don't pay them Tricia so we are all pro-bono It takes time to look up statutes in different states and put together an answer that the majority here at WS can understand...it takes personal time and effort to respond as a professional.

Guess I'm concerned that when information is given that doesn't go alone with the majority opinion, is there room for attack on the general threads, and if so, would saying 'this is not a professional opinion', help? Guess I was just trying to clear the boundaries between the professional threads and our comment threads. Thanks again Tricia.

 

[pufnstuf]

My question...

I don't know much about the psych field, and appreciate anyone who can give some insight.

Jbean brought up a good point in the previous thread about what these texts may indicate, as far as Terri's need to be the most extreme at everything she does... award-winning bodybuilder, best at oral sex, stronger than her male sexual partners... and so forth.

My question is... based on this... does this fit any kind of DSM diagnostic profile? In what little I know about "types," would she be histrionic? Narcissistic? Or is this just some odd sort of strutting for a potential sexual partner?

Any insight is appreciated.

 

[JBean]

My question...

I don't know much about the psych field, and appreciate anyone who can give some insight.

Jbean brought up a good point in the previous thread about what these texts may indicate, as far as Terri's need to be the most extreme at everything she does... award-winning bodybuilder, best at oral sex, stronger than her male sexual partners... and so forth.

My question is... based on this... does this fit any kind of DSM diagnostic profile? In what little I know about "types," would she be histrionic? Narcissistic? Or is this just some odd sort of strutting for a potential sexual partner?

Any insight is appreciated.

Well, I am sure it fits many profiles. I have a severely bipolar I relative by marriage that has these delusions of grandiosity with regards to fighting. When he gets in a street type fight, he fancies himself as the best fighter in the world and he thinks he is like a prizefighter. He thinks that the eveyrone is cheering for him and they think he is so awesome because he is the best fighter in the world and he is so strong,etc.,etc. It isn't even remotely close to being the truth.
But narcissists can also suffer from grandiosity and have an overinflated sense of self. I am sure this would fit other diagnostic criteria as well.

Many of these disorders have overlapping symptoms and that is why is so difficult to diagnose, even with the patients full history.

 

[pufnstuf]

Well, I am sure it fits many profiles. I have a severely bipolar I relative by marriage that has these delusions of grandiosity with regards to fighting. When he gets in a street type fight, he fancies himself as the best fighter in the world and he thinks he is like a prizefighter. He thinks that the eveyrone is cheering for him and they think he is so awesome because he is the best fighter in the world and he is so strong,etc.,etc. It isn't even remotely close to being the truth.
But narcissists can also suffer from grandiosity and have an overinflated sense of self. I am sure this would fit other diagnostic criteria as well.

Many of these disorders have overlapping symptoms and that is why is so difficult to diagnose, even with the patients full history.

Thanks for your response... and I do understand that it's really difficult to type with so little info available.

Another question along the same line. And you brought it up in the same post that I reference above--in the previous thread.

Why is she pointing out to a potential male partner that she excels at doing stuff that males typically do? And why tell him that she could hurt him if she wanted to, being so much stronger than him?

I know that the topic of gender roles is a difficult one to understand, and often more difficult to discuss, given the way that gender expectations are conditioned from birth with most people in our society. Yet as open-minded as I am, it still stunned me that she portrayed herself to this man that she's only known a few weeks as not only stronger than him, but also able to hurt him if she wished.

 

[citigirl]

Thanks for your response... and I do understand that it's really difficult to type with so little info available.

Another question along the same line. And you brought it up in the same post that I reference above--in the previous thread.

Why is she pointing out to a potential male partner that she excels at doing stuff that males typically do? And why tell him that she could hurt him if she wanted to, being so much stronger than him?

I know that the topic of gender roles is a difficult one to understand, and often more difficult to discuss, given the way that gender expectations are conditioned from birth with most people in our society. Yet as open-minded as I am, it still stunned me that she portrayed herself to this man that she's only known a few weeks as not only stronger than him, but also able to hurt him if she wished.

Overcompensating? For low self-esteem?

 

[gwenabob]

Maybe things are looked at differently among the gym crowd. Maybe that is considered "sexy confident" with her crowd and it doesn't translate among the general flabby public.

Or, maybe she watched "Annie Get Your Gun" one too many times and memorized "Anything you can do, I can do better, I can do anything better than you!"

 

[Pensfan]

Overcompensating? For low self-esteem?

It is common but incorrect belief that people who assert their power/dominance over others suffer from low self-esteem. These individuals usually have overly healthy self-esteems.

I am not a physician and I don’t diagnose individuals. As a psych nurse, I have cared for with many individuals that share very similar traits with TH, so I will share their diagnoses. Duel addictions, conduct disorder, oppositional defiant disorder, depressive disorder, passive-aggression, histrionics, and dependent personaity disorders were diagnosed in these individuals. Each exhibited a need to dominate with power and each needed to have rigid control over others.
There were other patients that I cared for that shared these qualities and were remorseless and dangerous. They were given an APD diagnosis and some were even discussed to be psychopathic.

 

[citigirl]

Maybe things are looked at differently among the gym crowd. Maybe that is considered "sexy confident" with her crowd and it doesn't translate among the general flabby public.

Or, maybe she watched "Annie Get Your Gun" one too many times and memorized "Anything you can do, I can do better, I can do anything better than you!"

I think there might be something to that. To paraphrase another poster, it sounds like a teenage girl squashing her little brother. There's a maturity issue here, for sure.

 

[JBean]

Thanks for your response... and I do understand that it's really difficult to type with so little info available.

Another question along the same line. And you brought it up in the same post that I reference above--in the previous thread.

Why is she pointing out to a potential male partner that she excels at doing stuff that males typically do? And why tell him that she could hurt him if she wanted to, being so much stronger than him?

I know that the topic of gender roles is a difficult one to understand, and often more difficult to discuss, given the way that gender expectations are conditioned from birth with most people in our society. Yet as open-minded as I am, it still stunned me that she portrayed herself to this man that she's only known a few weeks as not only stronger than him, but also able to hurt him if she wished.

I was a power lifter for a long time and enjoyed the camaraderie that I developed with the men and women in the gym. I always went to a "gym" as opposed to a club, because that element of trying to look better or having the cutest outfit or being the biggest or better was absent. We all enjoyed lifting and we compared notes and encouraged each other's achievements. This notion of being stronger than the men is foreign to me which is why it has caught my attention.
Perhaps it either some kind of overcompensation for inadequacies she feels about herself, or maybe she doesn't do so well at being a "woman" and makes up for it by being a better "man" Obviously this is all just speculation and theorizing on my part and I have nothing to back that up.

I also wonder if motherhood was "uncomfortable' for her or being pregnant was out of her comfort zone, what with swelling breasts and belly, because these are female traits.

Either which way, her interest in being able to bench more than her lovers and wanting to be with men that she can beat in arm wrestling is fascinating and could perhaps hold some clue as to what happened to Kyron, if she is indeed involved.

 

[Pensfan]

I was a power lifter for a long time and enjoyed the camaraderie that I developed with the men and women in the gym. I always went to a "gym" as opposed to a club, because that element of trying to look better or having the cutest outfit or being the biggest or better was absent. We all enjoyed lifting and we compared notes and encouraged each other's achievements. This notion of being stronger than the men is foreign to me which is why it has caught my attention.
Perhaps it either some kind of overcompensation for inadequacies she feels about herself, or maybe she doesn't do so well at being a "woman" and makes up for it by being a better "man" Obviously this is all just speculation and theorizing on my part and I have nothing to back that up.

I also wonder if motherhood was "uncomfortable' for her or being pregnant was out of her comfort zone, what with swelling breasts and belly, because these are female traits.

Either which way, her interest in being able to bench more than her lovers and wanting to be with men that she can beat in arm wrestling is fascinating and could perhaps hold some clue as to what happened to Kyron, if she is indeed involved.

I would like to go to your gym, JBean. The gyms in my area are "meat markets" and I am frequently stunned at the lack of clothing the woman are wearing. I would like to see what "outfit" Terri worked out in before she gained those extra pounds. Ew. Maybe I should rephrase this. It would be interesting and informative to see the "outfits" that Terri worked out in when she was thinner. Whew....

 

[germaine]

I think there might be something to that. To paraphrase another poster, it sounds like a teenage girl squashing her little brother. There's a maturity issue here, for sure.

absolutely! I remember being "proud" of being able to beat 7th grade boys at arm-wrestling, and I remember my daughter talking about that exact same thing at right about that age, too. We are/were both kind of sporty, but not masculine at all. My daughter, in particular, is very girly in many ways. It was just a stage (not even really a stage, more like an episode) that we went through at a very young age. It appears that terri is stuck in jr. high or thereabouts

 

[citigirl]

It is common but incorrect belief that people who assert their power/dominance over others suffer from low self-esteem. These individuals usually have overly healthy self-esteems.

I am not a physician and I don’t diagnose individuals. As a psych nurse, I have cared for with many individuals that share very similar traits with TH, so I will share their diagnoses. Duel addictions, conduct disorder, oppositional defiant disorder, depressive disorder, passive-aggression, histrionics, and dependent personaity disorders were diagnosed in these individuals. Each exhibited a need to dominate with power and each needed to have rigid control over others.
There were other patients that I cared for that shared these qualities and were remorseless and dangerous. They were given an APD diagnosis and some were even discussed to be psychopathic.

Gosh, I have known many people who have acted tough to cover up feelings of inadequacy. I would be interested to know how you have come to your conclusions. I guess this is one of those professional vs. opinion questions.

Not attacking, I am just really surprised. Seems clear as the blue sky to me.

 

[JBean]

It is common but incorrect belief that people who assert their power/dominance over others suffer from low self-esteem. These individuals usually have overly healthy self-esteems.

I am not a physician and I don’t diagnose individuals. As a psych nurse, I have cared for with many individuals that share very similar traits with TH, so I will share their diagnoses. Duel addictions, conduct disorder, oppositional defiant disorder, depressive disorder, passive-aggression, histrionics, and dependent personaity disorders were diagnosed in these individuals. Each exhibited a need to dominate with power and each needed to have rigid control over others.
There were other patients that I cared for that shared these qualities and were remorseless and dangerous. They were given an APD diagnosis and some were even discussed to be psychopathic.

Additionally, as you know, it can take a very long time to get the correct dx. Bipolar's are often diagnosed with depression, ODD's are diagnosed as bipolar, bipolar's are diagnosed as schizoaffective's and so on. Even with full history and patient and family interviews, getting the right dx can take a long time.
So, to imagine that we could figure this out here is not gonna happen.

STill and all these are clues into her potential behavior. I wonder about the dynamic between her and Kyron.

 

[JBean]

Gosh, I have known many people who have acted tough to cover up feelings of inadequacy. I would be interested to know how you have come to your conclusions. I guess this is one of those professional vs. opinion questions.

Not attacking, I am just really surprised. Seems clear as the blue sky to me.

I think that some people do tear others down in an effort to elevate themselves.

 

[citigirl]

I wonder about the dynamic between her and Kyron.

That...is an excellent idea for a thread.

 

[Pensfan]

Thanks for your response... and I do understand that it's really difficult to type with so little info available.

Another question along the same line. And you brought it up in the same post that I reference above--in the previous thread.

Why is she pointing out to a potential male partner that she excels at doing stuff that males typically do? And why tell him that she could hurt him if she wanted to, being so much stronger than him?

I know that the topic of gender roles is a difficult one to understand, and often more difficult to discuss, given the way that gender expectations are conditioned from birth with most people in our society. Yet as open-minded as I am, it still stunned me that she portrayed herself to this man that she's only known a few weeks as not only stronger than him, but also able to hurt him if she wished.

You might find this interesting regarding TH and competing.

http://news.vanderbilt.edu/2010/03/...ek-rewards-no-matter-the-consequences-109865/

The brains of psychopaths appear to be wired to seek rewards (they have a competitive psyche).

“There has been a long tradition of research on psychopathy that has focused on the lack of sensitivity to punishment and a lack of fear, but those traits are not particularly good predictors of violence or criminal behavior,” David Zald, associate professor of psychology and of psychiatry and co-author of the study, said.

“Our data is suggesting that something might be happening on the other side of things. These individuals appear to have such a strong draw to rewards;to the carrot and the stick; that it overwhelms the sense of risk or concern about the stick.”

 

[Pensfan]

I think that some people do tear others down in an effort to elevate themselves.

Research some articles about bullies and their self-esteems. Bullies do not have low self-esteems.

 

[Pensfan]

Additionally, as you know, it can take a very long time to get the correct dx. Bipolar's are often diagnosed with depression, ODD's are diagnosed as bipolar, bipolar's are diagnosed as schizoaffective's and so on. Even with full history and patient and family interviews, getting the right dx can take a long time.
So, to imagine that we could figure this out here is not gonna happen.

STill and all these are clues into her potential behavior. I wonder about the dynamic between her and Kyron.

It depresses me to think about TH's interactions with Kyron after reading that he had to essentially get permission to leave his room in the mornings. Also I feel very sad about the statement from his teacher regarding TH's need to get a daily behavioral report on Kyron.