The weekend BEFORE Haleigh went missing-revisited

[LFlorida]

Eme, that starts off with her saying "...to our house one night and Ronald's gun came up missing out of our house. Well, the only people that was there was Tommy my brother, Joe and my other brother, which we know my other brother Timmy would never take nothing from us. Like that is Ronald's favorite out of my family. Like me and him, if we got split up, if our family was split up, me and him was always together. Then we noticed the gun was missing the next day, so I go down to my brother's house looking everywhere, me and my sister in law, Ronald talking on the phone he's telling me places to look as to where someone would hide something. well I get ready to go because I couldn't find the gun on the property so I get ready to go and I see a board over the "culbert" and Ronald says "check the culbert" so I checked it and teh gun was laying right there and the board was up." And then she starts to say "I don't think she's dead." It appears that the tape may have been edited at this place?

But it still does not indicate when she was looking for that gun, but again, given she was gone from Thursday to Sunday, it is unlikely she was searching for the gun then, and certainly she wasn't at Ronald's house during that time. It seems as likely that it was Monday when she was searching the "culbert" .....It's possible it happened before her party weekend, though.

debs, if you go to the link in Emeralgem's post [myfoxorlando, I think], you can view the video from before that opening that the youtube video has.

Speaking of myfoxorlando - did you read the latest Saffer blog post? He must have been really, really sleepy when he tried to compose that, that, that piece of work.

 

[LFlorida]

Never said TN hasn't lied - I said I didn't believe she lied about her address or occupation. In fact if you go back thru my post you will see I have pointed out a few of her discrepencies. I just don't believe this is some big coverup conspiracy plan by the Cummings family and everything about them printed or comes from their mouth is a lie.

BusyLady, you are held in such high-esteem here on w/s that I find this difficult to do.

I must disagree with your beliefs re: Teresa lying about her address and occupation. I also have to disagree with your disbelief that the Cummings + Stallings + Squires + Sykes + Neves have not conspired to cover up the events of February 6 - 10, 2009.

It is just too easy (for me) to fit their actions, behaviors, and words into a theory if the crime was perpetrated by a member of Annette & Teresa's family.

If the perpetrator was a stranger or a non-family member, the joy over the nuptials and the ebullient support of the babysitter bride, the exaggerations while speaking on behalf of Ron, and the other unusual behaviors by Ron's family are impossible for me to reconcile.

I am not trying to be argumentative nor critical. I hope I'm just giving you some insight into the way I view things the way I do.

Two final things for you to consider.

1) Please check the 911 addresses for Putnam County. There is no 105 Rita.

2) Unless Teresa's job was being held for her by Alachua County Sheriff's Office for her eventual return, it is my opinion that she would have written something like "Disabled, previously employed by ACSO" or "ACSO dispatcher - retired / on disability." [JMO - this exact thing will come up again --- in her auto negligence suit vs. Wade & Larry.]

Replying with all due respect and sincerity.

 

[LFlorida]

Well, letting my mind wander, I'll put it out there that "down there" is where MC's dad and RC finally caught up with her that weekend, and a fight ensued with RC getting his knuckles scraped, and HCSR getting his knee bashed in. I think I'll let the wandering stop with that.

ETA; It could be that mom went to pick dad up from the hospital, but he couldn't fit b/c he couldn't bend his leg so they had to do a medical transport to get him home, so she would be speaking about experiences that didn't happen at the same sight, or time, or even day, which is an excellent way to keep others confused, and at the same time rationalizing that you're telling the truth. imo.

Oh, and perhaps Joe's "stuff" was wear the fight occurred, which would be a good reason to not want to go down there.

Did anyone ever find an auto accident report concerning the dad? tia

ETAA; down there could "also" be referring to the hospital. So "down there" could mean the "hospital" and "the sight of the fight in which both RC and HCSR were involved together against whoever was attempting to help Misty stay where she was."
I wonder who might have been arrested on assault charges that weekend prior to Haleigh being missing. Has anyone checked that out? tia

It sounded to me like Misty was saying that

- Hank Sr was transported from the hospital in Gainesville by ambulance.

- The ambulance delivered Hank Sr. to the Tyler St. address.

- Someone told Misty that the cops said she was not allowed to go down to Tyler St./Green Ln. area, so she was hanging out at the Kangaroo.

- Her mother was there at the Kangaroo lending her daughter emotional and moral support.

- When the ambulance delivered Hank Sr to the Tyler St address, Misty's mother left the Kangaroo to pick him up and bring him back with her. [The hospital/doctor would have ordered the ambulance transport to protect his leg and ensure he was able to be buckled in ["restrained" though I hesitate to use that word] in case of traffic collision. He could have stretched out in the back seat of the van and ridden unbuckled the relatively short distance from Tyler St. to the Kangaroo to be with his daughter.

- Finally, a cop told Misty that the earlier instructions that she was not allowed in the vicinity of the crime scene was b/s. [So, I just wonder... who passed along that 1st msg "from the cops" to her? 2 guesses.]

 

[yosande]

um, florida, what's the kangaroo? tia

 

[LFlorida]

um, florida, what's the kangaroo? tia

Convenience store with gas station and sometimes a fast food outlet.

Think 7-11.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

The fact that LE is tying in the weekend with Haleigh is very curious. How does the weekend play into Haleigh disappearing? Is it due to the condition that rc and misty were in or did Haleigh disappear before Monday? We are missing an important piece here. I cannot think anything else right now. It has to be the emotional or physical state of the players or a plan was in the works by somebody with a strong motive. Misty has motive and RC was in a poor state of mind from what misty was doing. Misty could have also been in a very bad mental spot. If they had any alcohol, fighting could have been intense. I still can't put together a scenario...too many variables.

I wish LE would verify that school documentation and say it wasn't doctored. While I'm wishing, I want to know the hours rc worked . Shoemaker said his regular hours started at 5:00pm...that is odd and very convenient, imo.

Since LE is being so secretive about everything the only thing I can think of is that LE is looking for Motive...maybe they already have an idea of what happen but need to fill in the time line to fit into their motive?

 

[debs]

debs, if you go to the link in Emeralgem's post [myfoxorlando, I think], you can view the video from before that opening that the youtube video has.

Speaking of myfoxorlando - did you read the latest Saffer blog post? He must have been really, really sleepy when he tried to compose that, that, that piece of work.

I find Saffer a less than satisfying reporter, so tend to not look for his reports and generally find them wanting when I find them. However, the editing I was speaking about wasn't at the beginning. I was speaking of the quick change of topic from discussing the gun in the "culbert" to "I don't think she's dead." It was a weird transition, even for Misty, but if I were to examine that for the content tangential connection, I would suggest that Misty doesn't have to think Haleigh's dead; she knows Haleigh's dead, since immediately before, she was speaking of a gun.

Just my two cents, minus the $235.00 in tax I paid to foist this opinion onto you good readers

 

[Emeralgem]

I find Saffer a less than satisfying reporter, so tend to not look for his reports and generally find them wanting when I find them. However, the editing I was speaking about wasn't at the beginning. I was speaking of the quick change of topic from discussing the gun in the "culbert" to "I don't think she's dead." It was a weird transition, even for Misty, but if I were to examine that for the content tangential connection, I would suggest that Misty doesn't have to think Haleigh's dead; she knows Haleigh's dead, since immediately before, she was speaking of a gun.

Just my two cents, minus the $235.00 in tax I paid to foist this opinion onto you good readers

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What floored me was when she talks about the van saying there was nothing suspicious about the inside of the van but she knows there was deer blood in the van because she knows her brother shot a deer..Then she says she doesn't know what kind of blood was found in the van but supposedly it was deer blood...

 

[debs]

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What floored me was when she talks about the van saying there was nothing suspicious about the inside of the van but she knows there was deer blood in the van because she knows her brother shot a deer..Then she says she doesn't know what kind of blood was found in the van but supposedly it was deer blood...

Perhaps she didn't know if it was a muley or a pronghorn.

 

[Emeralgem]

Perhaps she didn't know if it was a muley or a pronghorn.

LOL..She states she saw the deer..

 

[debs]

All joking aside, it is disconcerting that she would mention the blood, assign it a source (the deer), then say she doesn't know what kind of blood it was. As though there was an option.

 

[Emeralgem]

All joking aside, it is disconcerting that she would mention the blood, assign it a source (the deer), then say she doesn't know what kind of blood it was. As though there was an option.

I agree.. And that leads me to believe my thoughts concerning what may have happened to Haleigh weren't and aren't too far fetched..JMO

 

[debs]

At least it's on a continual loop. If A, then B, therefore C....

 

[suspicious1]

All joking aside, it is disconcerting that she would mention the blood, assign it a source (the deer), then say she doesn't know what kind of blood it was. As though there was an option.

ITA, debs. That blood comment never sat to well with me. I wonder whose blood it was in the van and why she felt the need to bring it up. I do not believe that it was deer blood as she claims. It was like she was setting up the defense already by claiming that the blood in the van was deer blood. Why even mention that? So, imo, she gave us more information about the van. There was blood in it. so my next question would be, whose blood? how did it get there? A fight?

 

[YellowSubmarine]

ITA, debs. That blood comment never sat to well with me. I wonder whose blood it was in the van and why she felt the need to bring it up. I do not believe that it was deer blood as she claims. It was like she was setting up the defense already by claiming that the blood in the van was deer blood. Why even mention that? So, imo, she gave us more information about the van. There was blood in it. so my next question would be, whose blood? how did it get there? A fight?

I'm right there with you guys. As soon as I heard mention of the blood, red flags started shooting up everywhere. But, then, how and why did LE release it? I'm assuming they did their job and found no human blood. I'd love to know the condition of the van afterward. Was all the carpet or flooring torn out? How about all the seating covering? The inside walls? Cuz that's the only way they could say for sure there was no human blood.

Just like offering up the info that Haleigh had pee'd on her blanket, the blood in the van is too much info to be nothing.

 

[suspicious1]

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What floored me was when she talks about the van saying there was nothing suspicious about the inside of the van but she knows there was deer blood in the van because she knows her brother shot a deer..Then she says she doesn't know what kind of blood was found in the van but supposedly it was deer blood...

We all know Misty lies but if we take time out to really listen to what she's saying there may be some small truth hidden..
Going by Misty's own words, this is what I see

(Keywords).......SHOT.......BLOOD +

(Connection)........GUN.......HALEIGH'S MISSING =

FIGHT

This is just my opinion but I think Misty had some truth in there. We already know about the infamous gun. We know that Haleigh's missing. We heard about a fight. We know the blue van was damaged. We know LE took the van in to be processed. We know Misty admitted to it being blood in the van. So........

 

[suspicious1]

I'm right there with you guys. As soon as I heard mention of the blood, red flags started shooting up everywhere. But, then, how and why did LE release it? I'm assuming they did their job and found no human blood. I'd love to know the condition of the van afterward. Was all the carpet or flooring torn out? How about all the seating covering? The inside walls? Cuz that's the only way they could say for sure there was no human blood.

Just like offering up the info that Haleigh had pee'd on her blanket, the blood in the van is too much info to be nothing.

Hey Yellow, I think LE did indeed find something in that van eventhough they haven't mentioned it to us yet. I also think that it was human blood they found. I can't understand why they would release the car? Are they suppose to do that? IJDK. LE questioned Timmy, Hank, and Jo several times, I'm wondering if they were asked about the blood? I know several of the family members had to give dna to LE, did this include Timmy, Hank, and Jo?IDK. I wonder if they compared it to what was found in the van?

 

[YellowSubmarine]

Hey Yellow, I think LE did indeed find something in that van eventhough they haven't mentioned it to us yet. I also think that it was human blood they found. I can't understand why they would release the car? Are they suppose to do that? IJDK. LE questioned Timmy, Hank, and Jo several times, I'm wondering if they were asked about the blood? I know several of the family members had to give dna to LE, did this include Timmy, Hank, and Jo?IDK. I wonder if they compared it to what was found in the van?

The only thing I can figure -- and this is going off what I learned from the kc case -- if requested, the vehicle has to be returned unless part of an ongoing investigation. Sooooo . . . maybe because LE hasn't pressed any charges or been able to come up with enough evidence, the van wasn't technically part of an ongoing investigation ???? I just hope any evidence that could've been retrieved from the van was done so before releasing.

Did they get anything of Haleigh's to compare DNA?

I just can't let this van thing go. With the admonition of supposed deer blood, the mysterious scratch and it allegedly having been secretly driven that fateful night, I guarantee it holds a key.

 

[Emeralgem]

I agree and if you watch her expression at the end of the video right after she talks about what she would do IF someone stuck a gun in her mouth you get the feeling she knows what she is talking about... Also, that statement was made when she was asked IF anyone had ever threatened to harm her...Strange reply.. I say..JMO

 

[suspicious1]

The only thing I can figure -- and this is going off what I learned from the kc case -- if requested, the vehicle has to be returned unless part of an ongoing investigation. Sooooo . . . maybe because LE hasn't pressed any charges or been able to come up with enough evidence, the van wasn't technically part of an ongoing investigation ???? I just hope any evidence that could've been retrieved from the van was done so before releasing.

Did they get anything of Haleigh's to compare DNA?

I just can't let this van thing go. With the admonition of supposed deer blood, the mysterious scratch and it allegedly having been secretly driven that fateful night, I guarantee it holds a key.

Absolutely..I think the van holds a key. Who had access to the van? Timmy and Jo. Where do you think they went in the van? Hank's or Ron's house? The van was damaged and blood ended up on the inside of the van.
2:13a police call to Tyler St.

You know what? I was just thinking about the road rage incident with Ron and Misty. What if there was a car chase with Ron's vehicle and the blue van? it's not like Ron wouldn't do such a thing....He's already showed us that he would.