Theories discussion: What could have happened to Haleigh? #3

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I don't think we are allowed to mention the site or make a thread on it. We do have a dream thread that is good.....

I googled and found it. I posted it, and ws didn't star it out, so now what? Have we been told specifically not too? I wasn't around ws when the rules came down about which site is and isn't allowed for Haleigh's forum.
 
Links were in the first few months of this forum when this topic was discussed.
Again, LE must have verified all or some of these (neighbors,GGma Sykes, the AC man, Tommy & his kids) because they have said they were satisfied with Ron's timeline & that he was at work when he said, and they have said he is not a suspect. So this is based upon logic. Unfortunately, LE will no tell us this until they start disclosing details.



Based upon logic he is still a suspect since he has not been cleared....JMO
 
Neighbor(s) seeing the kids playing, GGma Sykes, the AC man, Tommy & his kids. I think that LE has verified all or some of these because they have said they were satisfied with Ron's timeline & that he was at work when he said, and they have said he is not a suspect. Also, wouldn't Jr have noticed if Haleigh disappeared anytime before he went to bed? One would hope so!

All this implies to me that Haleigh was alive before Ron went to work and for some time afterward.

Neighbors remembered "children" playing "outside." And we have yet to hear from either LE, AC man or anybody else that anyone outside family can place Haleigh there alive and well after the bus stop. When AC man was cleared of involvement, so began this rumor that he'd in fact seen Haleigh that afternoon. This myth is circulated and has practically become urban legend, accepted among some but has never been shown to be true. And a four year-old is hardly incapable of being fooled, distracted or otherwise unaware of his sister's whereabouts. To the contrary. Children are highly suggestible.

I have to work w what facts we know.


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Links were in the first few months of this forum when this topic was discussed.
Again, LE must have verified all or some of these (neighbors,GGma Sykes, the AC man, Tommy & his kids) because they have said they were satisfied with Ron's timeline & that he was at work when he said, and they have said he is not a suspect. So this is based upon logic. Unfortunately, LE will no tell us this until they start disclosing details.

Again, LE has NEVER verified any such thing. Merely that the AC man was cleared of direct involvement. And that they verified Ron did work. Yet still the urban legend continues, sigh....

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Based upon logic he is still a suspect since he has not been cleared....JMO

Granted this is pure speculation. But based on LE's comments about Ron's timeline,a nd that they don't really seem to be leaning on him directly, my gut says they have pretty much ruled him out as a direct suspect. IE they don't think that he was anywhere other than at work, and based on their current theories of the crime they don't think he directly brought harm to Hayleigh. However I also think they keep him on the suspect list because they really don't believe that he is playing 100% frank with them about what he knows or found out after the child went missing. So they have not ruled him out because of actions and knowlege gained or taken after thefact.
 
Links were in the first few months of this forum when this topic was discussed.
Again, LE must have verified all or some of these (neighbors,GGma Sykes, the AC man, Tommy & his kids) because they have said they were satisfied with Ron's timeline & that he was at work when he said, and they have said he is not a suspect. So this is based upon logic. Unfortunately, LE will no tell us this until they start disclosing details.

Marie also said in an early interview, the first week definitely, that neighbors saw HaLeigh
 
I just did, at around 8pm I caught the rerun. It was interesting and I am glad the search was address too. The psychic could very well be right, but I am thinking if it is that name, it's the guy who lived with DS. But who knows at this point, KWIM?
Could be, but with the woman with the S it made me think of the other one, jmo
 
"According to the Sheriff's Office, Haleigh's biological parents, Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield, are not considered suspects..."

http://www.gainesville.com/article/...missing-girl-focuses-on-dad-s-then-girlfriend

Deja vu. We will only ever know, for sure, if ever they arrest and charge a perp(s).

LE often publish such statements to take the heat off, to make a POI less cautious and more likely to make a mistake. Don't mean nothing since the crime is not solved yet.
 
Misty stated that they used that back door only to take out garbage or occasionally take the vacuum out for the car. Neither Ronald nor Misty ever admitted using the back ramp as a place to smoke.

Haleigh's weight would be a factor given the dark and the damp. Watching the early morning interviews, you can see the dew all over the grass and the old wood on that ramp would have been slick. Carrying a child down that ramp in those circumstances lead me to believe it would not have happened.

I am not making light of your theory, Kam....but I find it slightly funny to imagine a druggie taking care to make sure his garbage is safely into the can outside.....yanno?

I don't think Haleigh was taken from the MH by someone who snuck in and just grabbed whoever was most convenient to grab. The back door never made sense to me as a way to get in or out. A revenge would never bother to stage. The statement would be loud and clear just by Haleigh's disappearance. A stranger doesn't make sense because of how random the entire scenario is. Marie or her agent doesn't make sense because Jr is still there. In fact, anyone on either side taking only Haleigh and keeping her somewhere doesn't make sense because Jr is still there. I throw this out universally for everyone involved.

Misty's anger was never spoken of by Marie or Ronald or GGM......or anyone. We see it now through RoadRageGate. We hear her snapping at her friends on her 911 call after being robbed. We see a little of it in that first interview where Ronald whispers to her to look at the camera, and without blinking, flinching, or even turning to look at him, respond "I am." in quite a tone of snottiness.

I do not buy that Misty loved and cared for Haleigh as much as people want to make out. Haleigh wanted to identify with Misty (We hear that she had to have everything Misty had) and then we hear a long convoluted story about giving in to Haleigh's temper tantrum that morning to wear a particular outfit. Misty, having been gone for 3 days, up all Sunday night talking with Ron, having to deal with a cranky 5 year old and a 3 year old.....How did they manage to get Jr back to sleep?

Were the kids present that Sunday night after Misty returned and was up all night talking with Ronald (per TN on one of her many NG appearances). How were their needs met? How was dinner addressed that Sunday night? Bedtime? How did Ronald and Misty keep it down so the kids could get the rest they needed? If Haleigh and Jr sleep from 8 until 6.......that's 10 hours. Up to get ready for school......adding on time to drive to GGM and back down to Haleigh's school....getting back to the MH by, let's just say 9........Jr is ready for bed already by then? Up at noon, laying around the house until Ronald has to get Haleigh at the bus....that's 3:30 or so, and Jr is asleep again....let's say he gets up by 4, he's ready for bed again by 8?

Something is not right with that bit. How long was Jr's nap during the day? Why was there a nap time so close to bedtime? Differences in parenting notwithstanding, most people understand you don't let a child sleep that much if you want them to go to bed without major problems.

Misty could have traded Haleigh, as some have suggested, for drugs, but there would be evidence of that, namely the drugs. I dismiss that outright, unless Misty decided to sell her for just enough to get her through the night. Doubtful. I don't think Haleigh went to pay off any drug debt, either. Nor was she taken for collateral.

I have nothing that has allowed me to consider any of the theories seriously, not even just for lack of evidence, but because the center fails in the logic of nearly all of them. The only one so far that holds its center is that something happened to Haleigh which puts Misty and Ronald squarely and equally responsible.

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Neighbor(s) seeing the kids playing, GGma Sykes, the AC man, Tommy & his kids. I think that LE has verified all or some of these because they have said they were satisfied with Ron's timeline & that he was at work when he said, and they have said he is not a suspect. Also, wouldn't Jr have noticed if Haleigh disappeared anytime before he went to bed? One would hope so!

All this implies to me that Haleigh was alive before Ron went to work and for some time afterward.

Thanks kamky for bring Ron Jr. into the theory. If I was going to build a theory, I'd do it from Ron. Jr's point of view. He has a pair of eyes and is aware of what's going on around him even at a such a young age.
You're right that this little boy would be aware if Haleigh went missing before he went to bed. And, I think he would tell this in some way. But, he says - A man in black took Haleigh. He also speaks of squeeky shoes and the couch bouncing. So, even if he's a kid, I think he speaks the truth as best he can.
I wavered for a long time as to whether Misty was home that night and left the kids there, or did she leave and take the children with her? Unless Jr. was asleep when they left, he would know something about being away from home. But no, he indicates someone "took" his sissy. I think another word for this could be that Haleigh was "removed" from the home, meaning she was no longer alive and she had to be taken away in order to cover what happened. Jr. was asleep whenever what happend to Haleight took place, but woke up enough because there was something going on in the house and he saw something. A bouncing couch (cpr? for Haleigh) and the sound of shoes, stranger's shoes, since he was sleeping so close to the floor. Remember the bigger bed was on the floor.
I have always had the feeling that Jr.'s account, no matter how simple it might be, is important. His rememberance could be the reason or one of the reasons why LE believes, and has stated, (the only thing they have released to the public) that Haleigh's disappearance was not a kidnapping by a stranger or an outsider.
I think we should concentrate on what Jr. says and I think that LE is too.
JMO
 
Again, LE has NEVER verified any such thing. Merely that the AC man was cleared of direct involvement. And that they verified Ron did work. Yet still the urban legend continues, sigh....

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There are twelve hours that RC has to account for. If LE says they are satisfied with eight, what about the other four.

If LE said eight (I think they did) that tells ALL of us that RC did not work 12 hours.

.....Much manipulation going on here with RC and his attorney. I am waiting for somebody to ask him on TV what hours he worked. It must be one of the questions he has told them NOT to ask, if they want the interview...IMO.
 
I don't know about the rest of the 'we's', but I believe because:

* Neves has stated Misty was gone for 3 days.
* Both Neves and Misty have stated that she was exhausted.
* The friends she was hanging with have drug records, and one is currently in jail for drug offenses.
* Earlier, Neves did her damnedest to portray Misty as someone who was fit to babysit Haleigh, and if there was *no* bender, I think Neves would have been trumpeting the fact.
* The recent mugging where one of the parties stated they went there to buy drugs.

That's five data points. Unless we were hangin' with Misty or have access to all that LE has access to, we can't know with any certainty, but to think otherwise seems to be . . . strange.

Blaise
Good morning Blaise.
I am not going to try and persuade you to change your mind, but, would like to point out that TN did not say that Misty was gone 3 days nor that Misty was on a drug binge. Yes she and Misty did say that Misty was exhausted that Monday, because Misty had not slept because she and Ron where talking and making up that late Sunday evening and early morning hours Monday. Your other points have no bearing on whether the 3 day drug binge ever happened. So.......I am still not understanding why we should believe this story.
 
Good morning Blaise.
I am not going to try and persuade you to change your mind, but, would like to point out that TN did not say that Misty was gone 3 days nor that Misty was on a drug binge. Yes she and Misty did say that Misty was exhausted that Monday, because Misty had not slept because she and Ron where talking and making up that late Sunday evening and early morning hours Monday. Your other points have no bearing on whether the 3 day drug binge ever happened. So.......I am still not understanding why we should believe this story.

But Misty said she slept that Monday, so I am not buying she was too exhausted that night, and hopefully she did sleep and Ron didnt leave his kids with someone who had no business watching kids when she was so tired, people shouldnt drive when they are tired, and they shouldnt be babysitting either if they are so impaired-

And look what happened?
 
Deja vu. We will only ever know, for sure, if ever they arrest and charge a perp(s).

LE often publish such statements to take the heat off, to make a POI less cautious and more likely to make a mistake. Don't mean nothing since the crime is not solved yet.
Well, I understand that this is sometimes true. But in this case, we have so little to go on. We have a few scant facts, many unconfirmed rumors, lots & lots of gossip and fake stories in blogs and in forum comments, the actions or perceived actions by those involved with Haleigh, and a very few public statements by Law Enforcement.

So what should we base our analysis on to get to the truth? Our gut feel? All or some of the above as we choose? We can each pick and choose what to believe from the rumors, etc. But when it comes to the few facts and the LE statements, should we pick and choose from these as well? If so, I think we might as well save ourselves the time, because this is all we really have that has the best chance of being truthful.
 
http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=757201&IMG=59693
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JOHN HENRY SHEFFIELD
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Booking Date & Time: 10/26/2009 12:12:31 AM - Booking#: 09-04422
Release Date & Time: 10/26/2009 1:23:35 AM
DOB: 9/28/1970 - RACE: W - SEX: M
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saw him on the pcso jail site just now, wonder if he's related to the Sheffields in this case? I've not heard or read his name, anyone?
 
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