Theories discussion: What could have happened to Haleigh? #3

[crisnnan98]

I can't speak for Haleigh's family, but my 6yr old is scared of the dark and sleeps w/ me. The nightlite is on until I get in the bed and I turn it off, I prefer to sleep in darkness, she is fine w/ this as long as I am in there with her.

Even at my age, I still like to leave the bathroom light on just so there is a little light. I think someone said, maybe TN, that they always went to sleep with the TV on? I am not too sure that I beleive the brother's story and think that maybe he just did want to get out of jail. Or if he is telling the truth that he went there, his timeline could be wrong.

 

[Flossie JMO]

Jmo I respect your opinion but I don't think Shaken Baby Syndrome is probable, given her age and size, even with her being small for her age.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Jmo I respect your opinion but I don't think Shaken Baby Syndrome is probable, given her age and size, even with her being small for her age.

Well the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke
National Institutes of Health say it is possible at that age.

 

[Skully]

does anyone remember if Misty said which window the blanket was taken from? I think LE has been lead down the path of kidnapping, because of the bricked door being foremost. But Misty states that Jr crawled over her that night and left the bedroom, then came back and was on the other side of her. So at first he is nearest to the wall and Misty climbs in bed and she is nearest to the door. Now he comes back and just gets back into the bed which places him closest to the door, nearest to Haleigh. Why mention this? Well we didn't bite. We didn't think that maybe Haleigh got out of bed went into the living room and someone looked into a window (no blanket on it) and saw Haleigh. We didn't think that he/she knocked on the door and she opened it and let in the kidnapper. I don't believe this is what happened, but I think, that is what we were supposed to believe and then it came apart. This serves to blame the victim, she wet the blanket, she got out of bed, she opened the door. Just throwing things out again. When I heard of the bouncing couch, I emailed LE and told them, what if someone was doing CPR? One theory is Misty had a lover there that night, Haleigh OD and they tried to save her, and never called 911. If that were the case, he would never talk. They could have gotten rid of Haleigh and just staged the MH to look like the kidnapping. Just another thing to think about.

 

[kamky]

People have said they hear Ron in the background slamming cuboard doors on the 911 tape. Any idea what he would be looking for because surely it wasn't Haleigh?

Could have been drugs, but little kids do hide in cupboards. It's a favorite hiding place for a lot of children when they hear family arguing or commotion going on. (Obviously, Haleigh couldn't have been hiding under the beds, as we all know!)

 

[Flossie JMO]

Well the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke
National Institutes of Health say it is possible at that age.

Possible to present with signs, yes, but not probable imo/ime. And that would be in a live child generally with signs missed prior. It's a hotly debated issue, with those questioning the existence of the syndrome, false imprisonment etc

 

[kamky]

Shakin baby syndrome would not leave any evidence at the home, the only evidence to that would be Haleighs body.

True, but when could this have happened if it involved Ron? If it happened before he left for work or if he sneaked home during work, then I can't imagine that Jr wouldn't have noticed. 1) Jr stuck like glue to Haleigh, 2) If there was an altercation, there would have been commotion and Jr would have noticed, 3) Even if Ron acted in the heat of the moment, he did adore this child and I think would have been shocked and grieving afterwards when he realized what he had done. Not to mention panic about what to do next. All this also involves commotion and, again, how would it be possible that Jr would not have noticed that something was wrong and it involved Haleigh? 4) When Ron went back to work, it's hard to believe that nobody would have noticed a change in his normal demeanor (yes, even knowing about Susan Smith, etc.) Also, even with shaken baby syndrome, I think there would have been some physical evidence from death that could be detected by dogs.

If it happened after Ron arrived home from work, then all of the above apply except for #4, but there just wouldn't have been enough time based upon the times we have been given that he arrived home and the 911 call was made.

I just cannot see how Ron could have possibly had the opportunity, Dr F!

 

[Malesherbes]

The children could have been drugged to sleep and be good for Misty, and Haleigh OD- Ron would still be culpable if he this was a practice the Misty learned from him-

 

[Skully]

One of the biggest red flags for me was the bricked door. It screamed staged. It screamed "look I am telling the truth, see the door was bricked open, like someone came in". I think Misty thought what a kidnapping looked like in her mind. I think she is telling what she imaged how this all would play out. there were all kinds of bricks around there, but neither of them ever saw that brick. Like saying, OH, I didn't do it, there really was a kidnapper.....LE knows that. They just don't think she acted alone, and they can't get one piece of physical evidence to connect the dots.

 

[kamky]

Misty's three day bender and the recent robbery during the drug-deal attempt points to continued drug involvement on her part. This, to me is significant and increases the possibility that Haleigh's abduction was drug-related. The big questions are who else was involved, what exactly happened & how, and how much does Misty know? Misty's mother, brother Tommy, and possibly other family members have been into petty crime and dugs. IMO, their testimony is suspect. Misty's "friends" - both old & new -are definitely into drugs. Misty is the key, not only because she was the last caregiver to see little Haleigh, but also because somebody she knew or was involved with committed this crime.

 

[Skully]

True, but when could this have happened if it involved Ron? If it happened before he left for work or if he sneaked home during work, then I can't imagine that Jr wouldn't have noticed. 1) Jr stuck like glue to Haleigh, 2) If there was an altercation, there would have been commotion and Jr would have noticed, 3) Even if Ron acted in the heat of the moment, he did adore this child and I think would have been shocked and grieving afterwards when he realized what he had done. Not to mention panic about what to do next. All this also involves commotion and, again, how would it be possible that Jr would not have noticed that something was wrong and it involved Haleigh? 4) When Ron went back to work, it's hard to believe that nobody would have noticed a change in his normal demeanor (yes, even knowing about Susan Smith, etc.) Also, even with shaken baby syndrome, I think there would have been some physical evidence from death that could be detected by dogs.

If it happened after Ron arrived home from work, then all of the above apply except for #4, but there just wouldn't have been enough time based upon the times we have been given that he arrived home and the 911 call was made.

I just cannot see how Ron could have possibly had the opportunity, Dr F!

If PDM is covering for Ron about whether or not he could have left the property that night, it will come out. I think people don't want to lose their jobs, jobs are hard to come by, so they can't talk. If however, someone gets fired, then they might talk to LE. PDM builds bridges, I think they get Government contracts to do that. If you had a drug problem there, would you want that known? I don't think so. My husband does background checks on his employees, if one of them had the arrests that Ron did, he would never have hired him. I feel like Haleigh's case is like a long set of dominos, if one thing is let out then that leads to another and another and soon everyone falls. Her story is surrounded with drugs, lies, SO, bail bond connections, and who knows what else if the truth comes out.

 

[kamky]

The children could have been drugged to sleep and be good for Misty, and Haleigh OD- Ron would still be culpable if he this was a practice the Misty learned from him-

This is a possibility, although I suspect it would have been more like something Misty would have done & not Ron (JMO). I think Ron would have just told them to quiet down and go to bed and they would have done so.

But, the big question I would have with this is, if it were the case, why did Jr not show any sluggishness or excess drowsiness when LE arrived at 3:30? I think they would have noticed any strange behavior on Jr's part, as trained professionals!

I know when I take NyQuill, if I wake up in the middle of the night, I can hardly move around, my feet feel like they have weights on them, and I act like I have been hit in the head. Heck, I even act that way for a while in the morning...I have a low tolerence for medications. I can imagine a small child would be even more sluggish than this.

 

[elle1919]

does anyone remember if Misty said which window the blanket was taken from? I think LE has been lead down the path of kidnapping, because of the bricked door being foremost. But Misty states that Jr crawled over her that night and left the bedroom, then came back and was on the other side of her. So at first he is nearest to the wall and Misty climbs in bed and she is nearest to the door. Now he comes back and just gets back into the bed which places him closest to the door, nearest to Haleigh. Why mention this? Well we didn't bite. We didn't think that maybe Haleigh got out of bed went into the living room and someone looked into a window (no blanket on it) and saw Haleigh. We didn't think that he/she knocked on the door and she opened it and let in the kidnapper. I don't believe this is what happened, but I think, that is what we were supposed to believe and then it came apart. This serves to blame the victim, she wet the blanket, she got out of bed, she opened the door. Just throwing things out again. When I heard of the bouncing couch, I emailed LE and told them, what if someone was doing CPR? One theory is Misty had a lover there that night, Haleigh OD and they tried to save her, and never called 911. If that were the case, he would never talk. They could have gotten rid of Haleigh and just staged the MH to look like the kidnapping. Just another thing to think about.

Morning Bern, just wanted to tell ya that when I first listened to Misty talking about the night of 2/9, I was very bothered about all of the "Haleigh wet the bed comments" Actually before I even started posting comments here on the threads in Haleigh's forum I thought a lot about her comments about the pee on the blanket. It reminded me of another case I had studied in which the perpetrator of the crime made a comment that actually cast a negative light on the victim. I didn't like that. I remember going to search for video or transcript of Ronald corroborating Misty's comments about Haleigh peeing the bed and I never found any. I found that strange. Haleigh's father never commented about what the babysitter put so much emphasis on. After these months have gone by, I still can't remember Ronald ever corroborating what Misty said about washing the blankets....he even goes on to say there was no laundry soap! I think the pee blanket story is important, as well as the whole discussion about the van.

Also, here in Haleigh's forum, we never really talked in depth about what JR said about the man in black. I believe with all of my being that JR saw something that night! On the incident report or police report whatever you want to call it, I have a hunch that he is under all that black magic marker and I believe police knew before anyone else what he saw that night. I believe JR saw who took Haleigh out of the house. I really do.

 

[Malesherbes]

Misty's three day bender and the recent robbery during the drug-deal attempt points to continued drug involvement on her part. This, to me is significant and increases the possibility that Haleigh's abduction was drug-related. The big questions are who else was involved, what exactly happened & how, and how much does Misty know? Misty's mother, brother Tommy, and possibly other family members have been into petty crime and dugs. IMO, their testimony is suspect. Misty's "friends" - both old & new -are definitely into drugs. Misty is the key, not only because she was the last caregiver to see little Haleigh, but also because somebody she knew or was involved with committed this crime.

Well, drugs could play a part, but one would have to question why Ron did not have a job for years and somehow didnt need Crystals child support to help raise the kids since he never went to the court to get it from her- what was he doing? Early on he was going on about he was just trying to make an honest living, well what was so dishonest about his last way if living? Was he dealing drugs? Was he forced to quit because he ripped someone off? Was there retaliation-

I dont think Mistys 3 days bender had anything really do do with Haleighs demise, unless it was a fight between the two and Haleigh got hurt somehow before he went to work-

jmo

 

[Skully]

You are correct WM, Ron never puts Haleigh in a bad light, but he never backed up Misty's story either. He also doesn't say anything about all the phone calls, or Misty not answering her phone or calling Tommy. We learn this because LE lets it out to stir the pot. He doesn't question where she was on that 911 tape or why didn't you pick up? These are things we DIDN'T HEAR; they are as important as what we DO HEAR.

 

[kamky]

If PDM is covering for Ron about whether or not he could have left the property that night, it will come out. I think people don't want to lose their jobs, jobs are hard to come by, so they can't talk. If however, someone gets fired, then they might talk to LE. PDM builds bridges, I think they get Government contracts to do that. If you had a drug problem there, would you want that known? I don't think so. My husband does background checks on his employees, if one of them had the arrests that Ron did, he would never have hired him. I feel like Haleigh's case is like a long set of dominos, if one thing is let out then that leads to another and another and soon everyone falls. Her story is surrounded with drugs, lies, SO, bail bond connections, and who knows what else if the truth comes out.

Gee, Bern, I see what you're getting at, but I don't think PDM would take any chances. Remember, they dropped Ron like a hot potato, IMO because they didn't want the drama. In the 8 months since this happened, I'm sure somebody at PDM has been fired, retired, laid off, or taken another job, but we haven't heard any new information about Ron's activities that night (not even rumors).

I do think that PDM wised up to possible lapses in its security procedures and this is why they now have a new thumbprint access system, but that's just speculation. If PDM hadn't already have a pretty decent security process in place (badge check in or visual check in with sign in), camaras at all entrance & exit points, random drug testing, etc, then I think LE would have been all over this and I do not think LE would have said that they are satisfied Ron was at work and that Ron is not a suspect.

And, the points I made about how Ron could have committed this crime under the nose of Jr without Jr noticing still hold water.

 

[Skully]

I am sure Misty knows the truth, I can't give Ron a pass yet, cause I think so much of what he has done and things he didn't say cause us to suspect him. I hope that LE goes to the Grand Jury and asks for them all to be brought in like they did in the double murders in Oklahoma.

 

[kamky]

Morning Bern, just wanted to tell ya that when I first listened to Misty talking about the night of 2/9, I was very bothered about all of the "Haleigh wet the bed comments" Actually before I even started posting comments here on the threads in Haleigh's forum I thought a lot about her comments about the pee on the blanket. It reminded me of another case I had studied in which the perpetrator of the crime made a comment that actually cast a negative light on the victim. I didn't like that. I remember going to search for video or transcript of Ronald corroborating Misty's comments about Haleigh peeing the bed and I never found any. I found that strange. Haleigh's father never commented about what the babysitter put so much emphasis on. After these months have gone by, I still can't remember Ronald ever corroborating what Misty said about washing the blankets....he even goes on to say there was no laundry soap! I think the pee blanket story is important, as well as the whole discussion about the van.

Also, here in Haleigh's forum, we never really talked in depth about what JR said about the man in black. I believe with all of my being that JR saw something that night! On the incident report or police report whatever you want to call it, I have a hunch that he is under all that black magic marker and I believe police knew before anyone else what he saw that night. I believe JR saw who took Haleigh out of the house. I really do.

I agree, ell, I think Jr saw the person. The question is how much he saw and was it something that can actually help LE. I sure wish he was older and could have given a better description! (about 5'9, 175 lbs, dark air, green eyes, a hook nose, wearing a brown checked shirt and jeans and size 12 nikes, officer....)

It also seems very clear that Misty's excessive discussion about pee and blankets is hinky and serves as a cover up story of some sort. This implies something significantg about the missing blanket. Was this blanket ever found in the van or did we hear? We still don't know if the pink blanket in the black bag found on Perneil was the one missing from the MH.

 

[kiki the parrot]

oh, what's more problematic is that added to this is the fact that Misty's phone is reportedly not turned on until 3:15 a.m. Ronald says he returned at 3:24, and the 911 call was placed at 3:27.....

"At 8:30 p.m., cell phone records show a call between the couple who, sources tell me, fought over Misty’s desire to do some outside babysitting that night after he’d learned of her wild child excursion with Nay Nay and White Boy Greg Page just days before. No way, said Ronald, who kept texting, and leaving voice mail, but couldn’t reach her for hours — until she finally picked up her cell phone about 3:15 a.m."

I bet those text mssgs were a treasure trove too. Even if deleted off the handset (which I'm sure they were) companies like Verizon keep text mssgs on their servers for about 14 days. If they're deleted a computer forensics company can frequently retrieve mssgs using a number of programs, (Sim Card Seizure, Paraben Device Seizure, BitPim eg). Access depends upon maker of phone, connecting components, memory storage and how phone overwrites its memory when mssgs are deleted.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/09/09/exlusive-haleigh-cummings-last-day/

http://www.divorce360.com/divorce-articles/cheating/catching/checking-text-messages.aspx?artid=1071

arrot:

 

[texasmommy39]

Misty's three day bender and the recent robbery during the drug-deal attempt points to continued drug involvement on her part. This, to me is significant and increases the possibility that Haleigh's abduction was drug-related. The big questions are who else was involved, what exactly happened & how, and how much does Misty know? Misty's mother, brother Tommy, and possibly other family members have been into petty crime and dugs. IMO, their testimony is suspect. Misty's "friends" - both old & new -are definitely into drugs. Misty is the key, not only because she was the last caregiver to see little Haleigh, but also because somebody she knew or was involved with committed this crime.

I am still trying to understand why we are expected to believe this 3 day binder BS story. PCSO has not confirmed these events as facts have they? They have not connected any of the individuals that where drug out into the spot light by Cobra, Kim and AH ( Nay Nay, WBG) to the abduction of HaLeigh yet have they? Misty did make a statement as she was being followed in the airport that "that weekend was a lie". Why should we take everyone word on all that has been revealed by anyone other than PCSO?