Theories discussion: What could have happened to Haleigh ? #6

[GhstTrkn]

Because so many of you really believe that RC is somehow involved...and I am new to this site and don't know a lot of the facts of the case, I have taken the last couple of days to rethink my stance of not thinking that RC was involved (physically/and knowing before anything happened). I'm sorry but even after all of the thinking I have done, I just can't change my position on this. Maybe you guys/gals can answer my questions to make me think upon this some more.
1) RC has an alibi...he was at work. Wouldn't we have heard something if this were not true or if he wasn't there at some point during his shift? LE has established his alibi is true have they not? I honestly believe we would have heard SOMETHING if he really wasn't there or had left at some point.

2) Both RC and MC took LDT(s). We have heard everytime MC failed one...this leads me to believe that we would have also heard if RC failed his also. (or have we heard he did and I missed that one?)

3) To me, MC really seems like she would throw ANYONE under the bus to "prove" her own Innocence...why hasn't she done this with RC? I know a lot of you are going to say it's because he "controls" her...but seriously...he can't control her from jail and if she really knows that RC had something to do with it wouldn't she spill the beans so-to-speak just to try to make a deal for herself? IMO There's no way she's going to say that because she knows he didn't and she can't "prove" he did.

4) I believe if RC's alibi would have fallen down around him or if he had failed the LDT then he would have been arrested long before he was arrested on the drug charges...especially the part about the alibi.

5) Some people on here say that MC was jealous of the relationship between RC and HC because HC "was his heart". If this is indeed true (and considering he is her father...I would love to believe this is true) why would he do something like "this" to her. I say "this" because we don't truely know if HC is dead or alive.

6) In interviews I have seen RC do (and I'll be the first to admit that I have probably missed quite a few)...when talking about his daughter he talks as if she's still with us. When MC does an interview she talks about her in the past tense...like she knows she's gone. Maybe I'm reading way to much into this part but I have to believe if my son was missing there's no way I could talk about him in the past tense unless I KNEW for SURE he is no longer with us.

Believe me when I say that I don't believe RC should get father of the year because he has done a LOT of messed up things. But I also can't bring myself to believe that he was involved in his daughters disappearance. These are all just my opinions and not meant to offend anyone. All thoughts about each of these points are welcome!!!

 

[Concerned Papa]

~Respectfully Snipped~

6) In interviews I have seen RC do (and I'll be the first to admit that I have probably missed quite a few)...when talking about his daughter he talks as if she's still with us. When MC does an interview she talks about her in the past tense...like she knows she's gone. Maybe I'm reading way to much into this part but I have to believe if my son was missing there's no way I could talk about him in the past tense unless I KNEW for SURE he is no longer with us.

Hello GhstTrkn and welcome to Websleuths.

I have a different opinion of RC's likely involvement and oddly enough, something you said in your post is part of the reason I feel as I do.

In this video, at the :56 mark he says, "She's the most well mannered child I ever HAD"

At the 1:02 mark he says "I'd give my life for my child's life BACK".

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

IMO, both statements indicate a past tense expression on his part and indicative of his knowledge that his daughter is no longer with us.

 

[4Jacy]

Because so many of you really believe that RC is somehow involved...and I am new to this site and don't know a lot of the facts of the case, I have taken the last couple of days to rethink my stance of not thinking that RC was involved (physically/and knowing before anything happened). I'm sorry but even after all of the thinking I have done, I just can't change my position on this. Maybe you guys/gals can answer my questions to make me think upon this some more.
1) RC has an alibi...he was at work. Wouldn't we have heard something if this were not true or if he wasn't there at some point during his shift? LE has established his alibi is true have they not? I honestly believe we would have heard SOMETHING if he really wasn't there or had left at some point.

2) Both RC and MC took LDT(s). We have heard everytime MC failed one...this leads me to believe that we would have also heard if RC failed his also. (or have we heard he did and I missed that one?)

3) To me, MC really seems like she would throw ANYONE under the bus to "prove" her own Innocence...why hasn't she done this with RC? I know a lot of you are going to say it's because he "controls" her...but seriously...he can't control her from jail and if she really knows that RC had something to do with it wouldn't she spill the beans so-to-speak just to try to make a deal for herself? IMO There's no way she's going to say that because she knows he didn't and she can't "prove" he did.

4) I believe if RC's alibi would have fallen down around him or if he had failed the LDT then he would have been arrested long before he was arrested on the drug charges...especially the part about the alibi.

5) Some people on here say that MC was jealous of the relationship between RC and HC because HC "was his heart". If this is indeed true (and considering he is her father...I would love to believe this is true) why would he do something like "this" to her. I say "this" because we don't truely know if HC is dead or alive.

6) In interviews I have seen RC do (and I'll be the first to admit that I have probably missed quite a few)...when talking about his daughter he talks as if she's still with us. When MC does an interview she talks about her in the past tense...like she knows she's gone. Maybe I'm reading way to much into this part but I have to believe if my son was missing there's no way I could talk about him in the past tense unless I KNEW for SURE he is no longer with us.

Believe me when I say that I don't believe RC should get father of the year because he has done a LOT of messed up things. But I also can't bring myself to believe that he was involved in his daughters disappearance. These are all just my opinions and not meant to offend anyone. All thoughts about each of these points are welcome!!!

I like your post alot, however, #6 is in question for me: At the very beginning of all this Ron said "I would give my life for her life"..or something like that. Not sure if I have the quote exacty correct, however, he did refer to Haleigh as if knew she was already dead.

 

[grandmaj]

Because so many of you really believe that RC is somehow involved...and I am new to this site and don't know a lot of the facts of the case, I have taken the last couple of days to rethink my stance of not thinking that RC was involved (physically/and knowing before anything happened). I'm sorry but even after all of the thinking I have done, I just can't change my position on this. Maybe you guys/gals can answer my questions to make me think upon this some more.
1) RC has an alibi...he was at work. Wouldn't we have heard something if this were not true or if he wasn't there at some point during his shift? LE has established his alibi is true have they not? I honestly believe we would have heard SOMETHING if he really wasn't there or had left at some point.

2) Both RC and MC took LDT(s). We have heard everytime MC failed one...this leads me to believe that we would have also heard if RC failed his also. (or have we heard he did and I missed that one?)

3) To me, MC really seems like she would throw ANYONE under the bus to "prove" her own Innocence...why hasn't she done this with RC? I know a lot of you are going to say it's because he "controls" her...but seriously...he can't control her from jail and if she really knows that RC had something to do with it wouldn't she spill the beans so-to-speak just to try to make a deal for herself? IMO There's no way she's going to say that because she knows he didn't and she can't "prove" he did.

4) I believe if RC's alibi would have fallen down around him or if he had failed the LDT then he would have been arrested long before he was arrested on the drug charges...especially the part about the alibi.

5) Some people on here say that MC was jealous of the relationship between RC and HC because HC "was his heart". If this is indeed true (and considering he is her father...I would love to believe this is true) why would he do something like "this" to her. I say "this" because we don't truely know if HC is dead or alive.

6) In interviews I have seen RC do (and I'll be the first to admit that I have probably missed quite a few)...when talking about his daughter he talks as if she's still with us. When MC does an interview she talks about her in the past tense...like she knows she's gone. Maybe I'm reading way to much into this part but I have to believe if my son was missing there's no way I could talk about him in the past tense unless I KNEW for SURE he is no longer with us.

Believe me when I say that I don't believe RC should get father of the year because he has done a LOT of messed up things. But I also can't bring myself to believe that he was involved in his daughters disappearance. These are all just my opinions and not meant to offend anyone. All thoughts about each of these points are welcome!!!

:Welcome-12-june: GhstTrkn

 

[Emeralgem]

Because so many of you really believe that RC is somehow involved...and I am new to this site and don't know a lot of the facts of the case, I have taken the last couple of days to rethink my stance of not thinking that RC was involved (physically/and knowing before anything happened). I'm sorry but even after all of the thinking I have done, I just can't change my position on this. Maybe you guys/gals can answer my questions to make me think upon this some more.
1) RC has an alibi...he was at work. Wouldn't we have heard something if this were not true or if he wasn't there at some point during his shift? LE has established his alibi is true have they not? I honestly believe we would have heard SOMETHING if he really wasn't there or had left at some point.

2) Both RC and MC took LDT(s). We have heard everytime MC failed one...this leads me to believe that we would have also heard if RC failed his also. (or have we heard he did and I missed that one?)

3) To me, MC really seems like she would throw ANYONE under the bus to "prove" her own Innocence...why hasn't she done this with RC? I know a lot of you are going to say it's because he "controls" her...but seriously...he can't control her from jail and if she really knows that RC had something to do with it wouldn't she spill the beans so-to-speak just to try to make a deal for herself? IMO There's no way she's going to say that because she knows he didn't and she can't "prove" he did.

4) I believe if RC's alibi would have fallen down around him or if he had failed the LDT then he would have been arrested long before he was arrested on the drug charges...especially the part about the alibi.

5) Some people on here say that MC was jealous of the relationship between RC and HC because HC "was his heart". If this is indeed true (and considering he is her father...I would love to believe this is true) why would he do something like "this" to her. I say "this" because we don't truely know if HC is dead or alive.

6) In interviews I have seen RC do (and I'll be the first to admit that I have probably missed quite a few)...when talking about his daughter he talks as if she's still with us. When MC does an interview she talks about her in the past tense...like she knows she's gone. Maybe I'm reading way to much into this part but I have to believe if my son was missing there's no way I could talk about him in the past tense unless I KNEW for SURE he is no longer with us.

Believe me when I say that I don't believe RC should get father of the year because he has done a LOT of messed up things. But I also can't bring myself to believe that he was involved in his daughters disappearance. These are all just my opinions and not meant to offend anyone. All thoughts about each of these points are welcome!!!

First off may I say in Ron C's first interview he stated he would give his life to have his daughter's life back, and that was within just a few hours after the 911 call was made.. That to me doesn't sound like he believes his daughter is still alive..He has also stated in another interview he would always believe she is alive until they find her..Thats also very telling...IMHO..

LE has revealed they are satisified with the hours he worked..And what that really means I don't know..I personally believe Ron C is guilty for whatever it is that happened to Haleigh, and WHY LE has chosen to keep everything underwrap concerning his LDT is completely mind boggling too as far as I am concerned...I personally don't trust LE down there or believe they are truly interested in bringing the person/s responsible to justice for whatever it is that happened to Haleigh...
Too too many inconsistencies have been told by Ron C since the beginning, not to mention his family for LE not to have found a way to arrest him long ago in connection with Haleigh's disappearance..WHY they haven't arrested him is extremely disturbing IMHO, and ONLY serves to prove to me there his something real hinky going on with LE down there and has been since the beginning......JMO

IMHO...LE has put ALL the pressure on the Croslins instead of the Cummings Clan where it rightly belongs...Something just ain't right with that picture..JMO

 

[twall]

From the famous Geraldo confrontation:

Ron: ".....I love you baby, I will find you."

Geraldo: "Do you believe she's alive then?"

Ron: "I'm always gonna believe my daughters alive until they find her."

Until they find her?? Find her what?? Dead??

 

[GhstTrkn]

I like your post alot, however, #6 is in question for me: At the very beginning of all this Ron said "I would give my life for her life"..or something like that. Not sure if I have the quote exacty correct, however, he did refer to Haleigh as if knew she was already dead.

Thank you concerned papa and 4Jacy. I give you both "points" on that one. I had not heard this interview. I am really bothered by the fact that he said she was the most well mannered child he ever HAD. However, is it possible that on the one where he said something like i would give my life for her life that he meant he would give his life if needed if she were brought back alive? I'm really not trying to defend this man. Black is black and white is white...if he's guilty then he is...if not then he's not. But what of my other points? Am I wrong in them also?

 

[GhstTrkn]

How is him saying that he will believe she's alive until they find her very "telling"? I have heard quite a few parents (who had absolutely nothing to do with their child's disappearance) say the exact same thing...or close to it. I kind of take that as....I will believe she is alive until someone can prove to me that she's not. I'm not sure I wouldn't say the same thing if I were in that position. REALLY not trying to offend anyone by this but I just don't see how that statement is so telling. I guess people just take things different ways.

 

[lonetraveler]

First off may I say in Ron C's first interview he stated he would give his life to have his daughter's life back, and that was within just a few hours after the 911 call was made.. That to me doesn't sound like he believes his daughter is still alive..He has also stated in another interview he would always believe she is alive until they find her..Thats also very telling...IMHO..

LE has revealed they are satisified with the hours he worked..And what that really means I don't know..I personally believe Ron C is guilty for whatever it is that happened to Haleigh, and WHY LE has chosen to keep everything underwrap concerning his LDT is completely mind boggling too as far as I am concerned...I personally don't trust LE down there or believe they are truly interested in bringing the person/s responsible to justice for whatever it is that happened to Haleigh...
Too too many inconsistencies have been told by Ron C since the beginning, not to mention his family for LE not to have found a way to arrest him long ago in connection with Haleigh's disappearance..WHY they haven't arrested him is extremely disturbing IMHO, and ONLY serves to prove to me there his something real hinky going on with LE down there and has been since the beginning......JMO

IMHO...LE has put ALL the pressure on the Croslins instead of the Cummings Clan where it rightly belongs...Something just ain't right with that picture..JMO

Just to bump off of Emeralgem's post to add: IMO, Ron has had as many if not more inconsistencies as Misty. In the beginning he would not let Misty out of his sight. His total unquestioning support for the girlfriend who was suppose to have been babysitting his little girl who just disappeared. The fake acting out for the camera. He acted as if Haleigh was dead from the beginning. Getting the tattoo in memory of Haleigh was very telling to me. Tattoos aren't usually done in memory unless the child is dead. Marrying Misty (IMO, he did this thinking that she could not testify against him if he was charged with Haleigh's death). Warning Misty that Donna was spying on her trying to get her to talk about what happened to Haleigh. Why would a father do this if his child was kidnapped? Not answering his ringing phone while on camera when his daughter was "kidnapped?" There are way too many things to cover in just one post.

 

[Concerned Papa]

Thank you concerned papa and 4Jacy. I give you both "points" on that one. I had not heard this interview. I am really bothered by the fact that he said she was the most well mannered child he ever HAD. However, is it possible that on the one where he said something like i would give my life for her life that he meant he would give his life if needed if she were brought back alive? I'm really not trying to defend this man. Black is black and white is white...if he's guilty then he is...if not then he's not. But what of my other points? Am I wrong in them also?

I'm not going to say you're "wrong" or that I'm "right". Fact is none of us know for sure. We've all came to the conclusion that seems to fit our own interpretation of what little we really know about this case.

I will address a couple of things about your other points that I don't come to the same conclusion as you.

As to Misty failing her LDT being an indication that RC passed his, LE has never given the results of any of the players LDT. The ones that we know Misty failed were privately administered. To my knowledge, RC has shown no interest in taking a private test. Again, this gives me pause. If I were innocent, and under the scrutiny that Ronald Cummings is in the small community he lives in, I would be demanding that my LDT be made public to clear my name. If they wouldn't release the results, I would take a private exam and release the results myself. (BTW, the cost of a private exam is roughly the same price as the tattoo he got a couple of weeks after Haleigh disappeared.)

I feel there is a reason that Ronald's work alibi has been presented in what appears to me to be cryptic form. I don't know for sure why, but until LE or someone from PDM steps up to a camera and says, RC arrived for work at ______ and didn't leave PDM property until ____, I will continue to believe he was not at work for his entire shift. Once again there's a simple solution. If RC is innocent and under the scrutiny that resulted in his hiring more than one criminal defense attorney, why hasn't he demanded that PDM issue a statement to clear his name in convincing fashion?

 

[Snowbunny]

GhstTrkn I appreciate you thoughts on this case, but I'm a firm believer that RC is deeply involved with the disappearance of Haleigh. His family had only known MC 5 months before Haleigh turned up missing. My question to you would be why would TN, GGMS, and Ron rally around MC to protect her? Makes no sense unless they were trying to appease her to keep her mouth shut in order to protect RC. RC has lied many times this past year. Why would he try to orchastrait what MC would say to the media during interviews if he didn't have anything to do with what happened. None of that make any sense to me along with the fact that he married this girl within 30 days of Haleigh going missing. I haven't seen RC out looking for his daughter nor has he acted like a father who really cared about finding her. This is just my opinion based on the facts that I've seen over the past year.

 

[doobiedoo52]

GhstTrkn: I have always tried to take into account the fact that none of these people are used to speaking in front of a camera and many lack even an average education level. I have tried to give them a break in that area unless its a glaring screw up. I agree that he may not have used the right wording but meant it the way you suggested. However, I do not give LE that same break. They are trained for this and should know exactly what they are saying. That's why many believe they are leaving info out--sort of skirting the issue on questions--like saying they are satisfied with his work hours but never really saying when those work hours are. It's like they are deliberately leaving out the actual info. I feel like this case has been cold for quite awhile and we may never have access to any of the evidence or facts. It's extremely frustrating and I have lost confidence in all of the players involved in this case and LE as well.

Also--as far as JR is concerned: if he was sleeping and woke up when LE was there he could have even seen a policeman taking the blanket etc from Haleigh's bed and thought they were taking her. I recall they pulled them off the bed and out to the ramp for a scent.

 

[Crosby87]

Okay, I will take a stab at this. If Ron was involved, and I say if, he may have known Haleigh OD. It could have happened just after he got to work or shortly after. If Misty called him, he may have left work and got her body. But we don't know if he left work, we don't know 100% that he was there the whole time. No one is talking about his hours that night. We have heard things, but they are not 100%. So that is why some think He may have come home that night.

I can't speak for Ron, but if my husband called me and said our child had OD and died, I'd cry out in anguish and be inconsolable. I was working nights at the hospital when a nurse received a call from her husband telling her that their teenage son had committed suicide and it is an experience I'll never forget. She screamed, broke down, hyperventilated and needed to be escorted home. For this reason, I can't accept the theory that Misty called Ron and told him his daughter was dead and he drove himself home, disposed of HaLeigh, then drove himself back to work and finished his shift.

 

[ilovemew]

Don't forget when Donna was undercover with Misty Ron called her (Misty) to WARN her not to say anything. WTH? What was he worried she would reveal? If he truly wanted answers from Misty this was his perfect chance. Makes no sense to me.

By the way welcome to websleuths!

 

[txsvicki]

Ron may have known that Misty and Donna were getting involved together in drugs and other things. But, you'd think that he'd want Misty getting set up since Teresa claims that Ron is the only one able to put Misty in jail. Of course, Teresa said that, not Ron.

 

[Crosby87]

Thank you everyone for your posts on Misty's LVA questions.

When Casey A was spinning the theory that Caylee was kidnapped by Zanny the Nanny, LE asked her specifically, “Did you do anything to hurt your daughter”? and she said “No sir”. There were other questions but this one sticks out in my mind. Casey wasn’t hooked up to a lie detector when these questions were asked, but I think if LE expect to uncover the truth about what happened to HaLeigh that night, they need to follow suit and ask Misty similar types of questions. The questions she was asked are too general and LE need to dig deeper if they expect to solve this case. When I transcribed Detective Bowling’s report, he said they were being very careful with Misty because it was such a traumatic event for a young person and I think they treated her with kid gloves the exception being the officer she walked out on because she said he was rude to her. Perhaps LE were mislead by subjectivity and lost objectivity as a result?

 

[ilovemew]

Thank you everyone for your posts on Misty's LVA questions.

When Casey A was spinning the theory that Caylee was kidnapped by Zanny the Nanny, LE asked her specifically, “Did you do anything to hurt your daughter”? and she said “No sir”. There were other questions but this one sticks out in my mind. Casey wasn’t hooked up to a lie detector when these questions were asked, but I think if LE expect to uncover the truth about what happened to HaLeigh that night, they need to follow suit and ask Misty similar types of questions. When I transcribed Detective Bowling’s report, he said they were being very careful with Misty because it was such a traumatic event for a young person and I think they treated her with kid gloves the exception being the officer she walked out on because she said he was rude to her. Perhaps LE were mislead by subjectivity and lost objectivity as a result?

BBM Really? Wow I don't think he feels that way now!

I think it was more of a traumatic event for a 5 year old.

 

[4Jacy]

Just to bump off of Emeralgem's post to add: IMO, Ron has had as many if not more inconsistencies as Misty. In the beginning he would not let Misty out of his sight. His total unquestioning support for the girlfriend who was suppose to have been babysitting his little girl who just disappeared. The fake acting out for the camera. He acted as if Haleigh was dead from the beginning. Getting the tattoo in memory of Haleigh was very telling to me. Tattoos aren't usually done in memory unless the child is dead. Marrying Misty (IMO, he did this thinking that she could not testify against him if he was charged with Haleigh's death). Warning Misty that Donna was spying on her trying to get her to talk about what happened to Haleigh. Why would a father do this if his child was kidnapped? Not answering his ringing phone while on camera when his daughter was "kidnapped?" There are way too many things to cover in just one post.[/QUOTE[

BBM
OMG, THANK YOU! I am in step with almost everything you said! He is such a bad, bad actor. If it weren't a tragic situation I would have laughed.

And EM, thank you too. I have always thought there was something very wrong with LE down there. Perhaps larger than we can speculate.

 

[GhstTrkn]

GhstTrkn I appreciate you thoughts on this case, but I'm a firm believer that RC is deeply involved with the disappearance of Haleigh. His family had only known MC 5 months before Haleigh turned up missing. My question to you would be why would TN, GGMS, and Ron rally around MC to protect her? Makes no sense unless they were trying to appease her to keep her mouth shut in order to protect RC. RC has lied many times this past year. Why would he try to orchastrait what MC would say to the media during interviews if he didn't have anything to do with what happened. None of that make any sense to me along with the fact that he married this girl within 30 days of Haleigh going missing. I haven't seen RC out looking for his daughter nor has he acted like a father who really cared about finding her. This is just my opinion based on the facts that I've seen over the past year.

Ok I get what you're saying but what if we turned the tables...after knowing RC for only 5 months why would MC protect him if she knew he had something to do with HC's disappearance? I mean, wouldn't that fit the same way?
I don't believe that one is covering for the other because of the drugs because they know they were caught...they know it was an undercover cop..they know it's on video (the drug bust). I think that if one was covering for the other (whoever it is) I think they would have made a deal so fast their head would still be spinning just to save their own rear-end from the drug charges.
I have to say, I really hope that my theory is correct...not for the sake of being right but because if I am wrong then that means that ANOTHER parent has done something HORRIBLE to their own child and that thought just makes me sick in my stomach (and my heart). I thought for years that I couldn't have children of my own then after 12 1/2 years of marriage we got a HUGE surprise! Found out I was almost 5 months pregnant with my now 15 month old son. This case has bothered me more than any other (with the exception of poor little Caylee) I know both sides...I know what it feels like to not be able to have a child and then after 12 1/2 years of trying I know the joy of being a mom. That's why, even though I know it happens, that's why I can't (or don't want to) fathom a parent doing something to their own child. And that people, is why I really hope that most of you are wrong and I am right. (so sorry for the rant but this case just breaks my heart)

 

[Crosby87]

According to TN, Misty was at Ronald’s Sunday night and they made up. Nay Nay said she overhead Misty tell Ronald she would be coming home with a condom. When the examiner asked Misty to detail what happened Monday, Feb 9th, she described a peaceful day with Ronald and the children.

Marlena Shivo told NG, R&M had an argument that evening because Ron was upset with Misty because of her affair yet when Misty explains what happened Monday evening, she doesn’t mention an argument occurred around HaLeigh’s bedtime and neither does Ronald or TN. Then another source comes forward and claims they argued over babysitting which also left everyone stupefied and scratching their heads. Because of this “argument” which was never confirmed by Ron or Misty, everyone became suspicious of Ron. When Ron called Tommy, he asked him if Misty was there and there is nothing to indicate Ron was upset with Misty when he made this call to Tommy; it sounds to me that Ron simply couldn’t reach Misty at his place and he wondered if she had gone there for some reason. Ron agreed to work overtime, stopped at a grocery store on his way home, and was surprised to see Misty up when he got home.

What proof is there to confirm an argument between R&M is the reason Misty turned her phone off at 8:30 pm?