Theories discussion: What could have happened to Haleigh ? #6

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  • #401
Thank you concerned papa and 4Jacy. I give you both "points" on that one. I had not heard this interview. I am really bothered by the fact that he said she was the most well mannered child he ever HAD. However, is it possible that on the one where he said something like i would give my life for her life that he meant he would give his life if needed if she were brought back alive? I'm really not trying to defend this man. Black is black and white is white...if he's guilty then he is...if not then he's not. But what of my other points? Am I wrong in them also?

Welcome!
I don't have the link handy right now but I'm pretty sure that he said, "I would give my life for my child's life back"

If he had just said that he'd give his life for his child back, or he'd give his life for his child's life I wouldn't have thought about it twice, both seem like a natural thing for a concerned parent to say. But the back bit definitely suggests to me that he knew or strongly believed that his child was dead already. We have spent a lot of time making excuses for these people's grammar whenever there are slips but I don't think this is a grammar issue. It is what it is and it suggests he knows or think he knows more than he's telling. He knows the difference between wanting his child back alive and wanting his child's life back.

Of course it doesn't necessarily mean that he killed her, there are other options.

EDIT: just saw that Papa had the link upthread.
 
  • #402
Just so you know, I haven't made up my mind what exactly his role is in all this but the one thing I'm convinced about is that he knows more than he's telling and there are things that make my hinky meter rise about him.

I'll give it my best shot to try to answer your questions from my point of view.

Because so many of you really believe that RC is somehow involved...and I am new to this site and don't know a lot of the facts of the case, I have taken the last couple of days to rethink my stance of not thinking that RC was involved (physically/and knowing before anything happened). I'm sorry but even after all of the thinking I have done, I just can't change my position on this. Maybe you guys/gals can answer my questions to make me think upon this some more.
1) RC has an alibi...he was at work. Wouldn't we have heard something if this were not true or if he wasn't there at some point during his shift? LE has established his alibi is true have they not? I honestly believe we would have heard SOMETHING if he really wasn't there or had left at some point.

The thing is, I've been here almost from the start and during that time we have heard quite a bit about how he might not have been there at some point during his shift. None of those rumors was ever confirmed by LE so they might not be true... but a few of the rumors in this case have turned out to be true so who knows.

LE said something to the effect that they were satisfied with his story. It might mean that they've confirmed everything and believe that it's completely true... but it also might mean that they were satisfied that it was his story and he was gonna stick to it and at that point they saw no reason to tip their hand about whatever evidence they might have had to the contrary. We don't know.

Another thing that makes me suspicious of Ron's alibi is the shifting nature of his hours. We've spent countless hours here biting our fingers and banging our heads trying to pinpoint his exact hours, there were so many different versions and all of the sudden a new one would surface. If his alibi is solid, it has been surprisingly difficult to get a straight answer once and for all, he worked from A to B doing C and we know this because of D.

And then there were the cell pings. IIRC at some point Art Harris reported that there were two cell pings for Ronald at PDM and it was interpreted, uhhuh, he was at work, so his alibi is solid then, huh? But if Art's information was correct it seems odd because we later heard that Ronald supposedly made lots of phonecalls to Misty that night and if he only pinged twice at PDM where were the rest of his pings?

Number four of my reasons of being suspicious of his alibi is that he was promptly fired when he was supposed to return to work. There might be numerous reasons why that had nothing to do with his alibi that night and I'm just speculating but I couldn't help wondering if he'd have been fired if the investigators checking his alibi would have revealed that he was skipping work to his superiors. Supposedly the reason was job abandonment and it was explained that it was because he didn't call his employer while he was on leave and they didn't know if he was going to return but it sounded like an excuse to me. They must have known when he was planning to return to work because they invited LE there for safety. Suppose the job abandonment happened 9th Feb?


2) Both RC and MC took LDT(s). We have heard everytime MC failed one...this leads me to believe that we would have also heard if RC failed his also. (or have we heard he did and I missed that one?)

I'd have to say that the results are inconclusive on that one... I have no idea if he passed or failed, I just know he said he passed. LE hasn't released any of their LDT results. We didn't hear that Misty failed her LDT's until she took the private one with TES. Up until then the only information that we had was what we had been told by RC and Misty. LE said nothing about Misty until she failed Tim Miller's test and then they commented that it came as no surprise to them, letting us infer that she'd failed tests before. But LE has said nothing about RC's results as far as I know. Ronald said that he passed his LDT with flying colors and went on to add that they both passed. We now know that it was apparently a lie or a mistake about Misty passing hers, so it casts doubt on whatever he said about his test results too. I'm not even certain if LE would tell RC if he or anybody else passed or failed.

3) To me, MC really seems like she would throw ANYONE under the bus to "prove" her own Innocence...why hasn't she done this with RC? I know a lot of you are going to say it's because he "controls" her...but seriously...he can't control her from jail and if she really knows that RC had something to do with it wouldn't she spill the beans so-to-speak just to try to make a deal for herself? IMO There's no way she's going to say that because she knows he didn't and she can't "prove" he did.

I agree that MC gives the impression that she throws anyone under the bus to save her own backside. So much so that I've been saying that watch out, whoever she's not attempted to point fingers at is probably the guilty party.

I don't know about fear or control, but if she's keeping his guilty secret it might be because,
1) she's in love or obsessed with him(evidence: the tat after the divorce...) and/or
2) it's her guilty secret too, and she can't throw him under the bus without getting hit herself. It would do her no good to do a deal to get rid of the drug charges in exchange for a murder charge (to take the worst case scenario).

4) I believe if RC's alibi would have fallen down around him or if he had failed the LDT then he would have been arrested long before he was arrested on the drug charges...especially the part about the alibi.

Maybe, maybe not. They didn't arrest MC although her story was full of holes and she apparently kept failing LDTs. They didn't arrest Tommy (not for hurting Haleigh anyway) even though he admitted he'd lied about his alibi. It's one thing to be suspicious of somebody's alibi and another to be able to take it to court because it's not enough to prove that you weren't where you said you were, they also need to prove beyond reasonable doubt that what you did instead was to hurt a child.

5) Some people on here say that MC was jealous of the relationship between RC and HC because HC "was his heart". If this is indeed true (and considering he is her father...I would love to believe this is true) why would he do something like "this" to her. I say "this" because we don't truely know if HC is dead or alive.

That's a tough one to reply because it's really hard to say "this" could or could not have happened without a definition of this. I don't know what he or Misty felt, what happened or who did what, but going by my general impressions about dysfunctional families, just because there is a jealous girlfriend I can't rule out that the father might have some violent tendencies or contribute to a tragic accident or negligent death somehow. Some violent outburst seems quite possible to me given that we've heard about several instances that he's threatened people or been involved in fights.

Misty may or may not have been jealous of Ronald and Haleigh's relationship but IMO if she was it tells us more about her own psyche than it tells us about RC's fatherhood. For all we know Haleigh may indeed have been his heart but despite that we have also observed that he has occasionally been an indifferent parent, letting drugs get in the way of taking proper care of his children, the latest example being he's in jail instead of looking after Jr.

So... I don't know. They're in jail for drugs now and it's not the first time RC has been associated with drugs. I think if they're heavy drug users anything is possible. People might do things under the influence that they wouldn't do otherwise or fail to do some other things that they should to keep their children safe, even if they think that they love their kids above all things.

6) In interviews I have seen RC do (and I'll be the first to admit that I have probably missed quite a few)...when talking about his daughter he talks as if she's still with us. When MC does an interview she talks about her in the past tense...like she knows she's gone. Maybe I'm reading way to much into this part but I have to believe if my son was missing there's no way I could talk about him in the past tense unless I KNEW for SURE he is no longer with us.

Believe me when I say that I don't believe RC should get father of the year because he has done a LOT of messed up things. But I also can't bring myself to believe that he was involved in his daughters disappearance. These are all just my opinions and not meant to offend anyone. All thoughts about each of these points are welcome!!!

Interesting how you can get two totally different views watching the same interviews. I was struck by several interviews that made me think this man knows that his daughter is dead, but it was already discussed so I'll say no more about it.

Later on, it bothered me that he seemed to me to avoid talking about Haleigh, avoided mentioning her name, even, and when he did it was often just to say focus on Haleigh and not on whatever it was about his personal life that he didn't want looked at right then.

I don't know what happened and what RC's role in it was but I am suspicious because of the above and because of his attitude to Misty, apparently covering for her although it was getting glaringly obvious that she lied.
 
  • #403
Ok I get what you're saying but what if we turned the tables...after knowing RC for only 5 months why would MC protect him if she knew he had something to do with HC's disappearance? I mean, wouldn't that fit the same way?
I don't believe that one is covering for the other because of the drugs because they know they were caught...they know it was an undercover cop..they know it's on video (the drug bust). I think that if one was covering for the other (whoever it is) I think they would have made a deal so fast their head would still be spinning just to save their own rear-end from the drug charges.
I have to say, I really hope that my theory is correct...not for the sake of being right but because if I am wrong then that means that ANOTHER parent has done something HORRIBLE to their own child and that thought just makes me sick in my stomach (and my heart). I thought for years that I couldn't have children of my own then after 12 1/2 years of marriage we got a HUGE surprise! Found out I was almost 5 months pregnant with my now 15 month old son. This case has bothered me more than any other (with the exception of poor little Caylee) I know both sides...I know what it feels like to not be able to have a child and then after 12 1/2 years of trying I know the joy of being a mom. That's why, even though I know it happens, that's why I can't (or don't want to) fathom a parent doing something to their own child. And that people, is why I really hope that most of you are wrong and I am right. (so sorry for the rant but this case just breaks my heart)

How wonderful your blessing is now to have the opportunity to experience the joy of being a mother after waiting for so many years. And I can imagine how hard it is for you to fathom a parent hurting a child, especially after having to wait for so many years for your own heart's desire to be fulfilled.....
In reference to myself I have never believed Ron C intentionally set out to hurt Haleigh eventhough I do believe he is the one responsible for whatever it is that happened to her though..
I believe it was a tragic accident that occurred due to his out of control rageful behavior toward Misty..End result being... Haleigh played the ultimate price and he and his family decided to cover his rear to keep the truth from ever being revealed in order to keep him from going to jail and losing custody of Jr..
As I see it the main reasons for the initial coverup have proven to be all in vain..
I suspect now the charade is being continued to keep the real truth about themselves and what they are capable of from ever being revealed...JMO
 
  • #404
Don't forget when Donna was undercover with Misty Ron called her (Misty) to WARN her not to say anything. WTH? What was he worried she would reveal? If he truly wanted answers from Misty this was his perfect chance. Makes no sense to me.

By the way welcome to websleuths!

Is this the same Donna who was arrested with them for drug dealing?
 
  • #405
Just so you know, I haven't made up my mind what exactly his role is in all this but the one thing I'm convinced about is that he knows more than he's telling and there are things that make my hinky meter rise about him.

I'll give it my best shot to try to answer your questions from my point of view.



The thing is, I've been here almost from the start and during that time we have heard quite a bit about how he might not have been there at some point during his shift. None of those rumors was ever confirmed by LE so they might not be true... but a few of the rumors in this case have turned out to be true so who knows.

LE said something to the effect that they were satisfied with his story. It might mean that they've confirmed everything and believe that it's completely true... but it also might mean that they were satisfied that it was his story and he was gonna stick to it and at that point they saw no reason to tip their hand about whatever evidence they might have had to the contrary. We don't know.

Another thing that makes me suspicious of Ron's alibi is the shifting nature of his hours. We've spent countless hours here biting our fingers and banging our heads trying to pinpoint his exact hours, there were so many different versions and all of the sudden a new one would surface. If his alibi is solid, it has been surprisingly difficult to get a straight answer once and for all, he worked from A to B doing C and we know this because of D.

And then there were the cell pings. IIRC at some point Art Harris reported that there were two cell pings for Ronald at PDM and it was interpreted, uhhuh, he was at work, so his alibi is solid then, huh? But if Art's information was correct it seems odd because we later heard that Ronald supposedly made lots of phonecalls to Misty that night and if he only pinged twice at PDM where were the rest of his pings?

Number four of my reasons of being suspicious of his alibi is that he was promptly fired when he was supposed to return to work. There might be numerous reasons why that had nothing to do with his alibi that night and I'm just speculating but I couldn't help wondering if he'd have been fired if the investigators checking his alibi would have revealed that he was skipping work to his superiors. Supposedly the reason was job abandonment and it was explained that it was because he didn't call his employer while he was on leave and they didn't know if he was going to return but it sounded like an excuse to me. They must have known when he was planning to return to work because they invited LE there for safety. Suppose the job abandonment happened 9th Feb?




I'd have to say that the results are inconclusive on that one... I have no idea if he passed or failed, I just know he said he passed. LE hasn't released any of their LDT results. We didn't hear that Misty failed her LDT's until she took the private one with TES. Up until then the only information that we had was what we had been told by RC and Misty. LE said nothing about Misty until she failed Tim Miller's test and then they commented that it came as no surprise to them, letting us infer that she'd failed tests before. But LE has said nothing about RC's results as far as I know. Ronald said that he passed his LDT with flying colors and went on to add that they both passed. We now know that it was apparently a lie or a mistake about Misty passing hers, so it casts doubt on whatever he said about his test results too. I'm not even certain if LE would tell RC if he or anybody else passed or failed.



I agree that MC gives the impression that she throws anyone under the bus to save her own backside. So much so that I've been saying that watch out, whoever she's not attempted to point fingers at is probably the guilty party.

I don't know about fear or control, but if she's keeping his guilty secret it might be because,
1) she's in love or obsessed with him(evidence: the tat after the divorce...) and/or
2) it's her guilty secret too, and she can't throw him under the bus without getting hit herself. It would do her no good to do a deal to get rid of the drug charges in exchange for a murder charge (to take the worst case scenario).



Maybe, maybe not. They didn't arrest MC although her story was full of holes and she apparently kept failing LDTs. They didn't arrest Tommy (not for hurting Haleigh anyway) even though he admitted he'd lied about his alibi. It's one thing to be suspicious of somebody's alibi and another to be able to take it to court because it's not enough to prove that you weren't where you said you were, they also need to prove beyond reasonable doubt that what you did instead was to hurt a child.



That's a tough one to reply because it's really hard to say "this" could or could not have happened without a definition of this. I don't know what he or Misty felt, what happened or who did what, but going by my general impressions about dysfunctional families, just because there is a jealous girlfriend I can't rule out that the father might have some violent tendencies or contribute to a tragic accident or negligent death somehow. Some violent outburst seems quite possible to me given that we've heard about several instances that he's threatened people or been involved in fights.

Misty may or may not have been jealous of Ronald and Haleigh's relationship but IMO if she was it tells us more about her own psyche than it tells us about RC's fatherhood. For all we know Haleigh may indeed have been his heart but despite that we have also observed that he has occasionally been an indifferent parent, letting drugs get in the way of taking proper care of his children, the latest example being he's in jail instead of looking after Jr.

So... I don't know. They're in jail for drugs now and it's not the first time RC has been associated with drugs. I think if they're heavy drug users anything is possible. People might do things under the influence that they wouldn't do otherwise or fail to do some other things that they should to keep their children safe, even if they think that they love their kids above all things.



Interesting how you can get two totally different views watching the same interviews. I was struck by several interviews that made me think this man knows that his daughter is dead, but it was already discussed so I'll say no more about it.

Later on, it bothered me that he seemed to me to avoid talking about Haleigh, avoided mentioning her name, even, and when he did it was often just to say focus on Haleigh and not on whatever it was about his personal life that he didn't want looked at right then.

I don't know what happened and what RC's role in it was but I am suspicious because of the above and because of his attitude to Misty, apparently covering for her although it was getting glaringly obvious that she lied.....

Donjeta, You've made good common sense points.

I'm thinking outside the box with the following thought.
I have often wondered why M. was more or less, forced to baby-sit that night.
Why her?

What if, the cover-up is not about R. accidentlly killing H., but his mom?

If Misty tells on her, she knows, R. will be out of jail to carry out his threats to her, and possibly kill her, so she has no choice but to lie, lie, lie.

Because she loves R and is scared of him too, she throws her brother and cousin under the bus.....jmo
 
  • #406
How is him saying that he will believe she's alive until they find her very "telling"? I have heard quite a few parents (who had absolutely nothing to do with their child's disappearance) say the exact same thing...or close to it. I kind of take that as....I will believe she is alive until someone can prove to me that she's not. I'm not sure I wouldn't say the same thing if I were in that position. REALLY not trying to offend anyone by this but I just don't see how that statement is so telling. I guess people just take things different ways.

Welcome GhstTrkn. Everyone has their own opinion as to why they think Ron is involved. I too believe that Ron/Cummings Clan had something to do with and knows what happened to Haleigh.

We have a very good team on here and we appreciate all opinions. However we have a member on here by the name of Concerned Papa who has put together videos that I know you will learn a lot from. I wish Concerned Papa could bring the videos up here but you can find them in the parking lot. I would advise that you at least take a look at them. Those videos are very telling.
 
  • #407
Ok I get what you're saying but what if we turned the tables...after knowing RC for only 5 months why would MC protect him if she knew he had something to do with HC's disappearance? I mean, wouldn't that fit the same way?
I don't believe that one is covering for the other because of the drugs because they know they were caught...they know it was an undercover cop..they know it's on video (the drug bust). I think that if one was covering for the other (whoever it is) I think they would have made a deal so fast their head would still be spinning just to save their own rear-end from the drug charges.
I have to say, I really hope that my theory is correct...not for the sake of being right but because if I am wrong then that means that ANOTHER parent has done something HORRIBLE to their own child and that thought just makes me sick in my stomach (and my heart). I thought for years that I couldn't have children of my own then after 12 1/2 years of marriage we got a HUGE surprise! Found out I was almost 5 months pregnant with my now 15 month old son. This case has bothered me more than any other (with the exception of poor little Caylee) I know both sides...I know what it feels like to not be able to have a child and then after 12 1/2 years of trying I know the joy of being a mom. That's why, even though I know it happens, that's why I can't (or don't want to) fathom a parent doing something to their own child. And that people, is why I really hope that most of you are wrong and I am right. (so sorry for the rant but this case just breaks my heart)

Well, GhstTrkn, I know what you are saying. On one hand, I feel like Ron could not possibly have had anything to do with what happened to Haleigh, then, on the other hand, I feel like there is no way he is not involved somehow. I don't have any emotional investment either way, I am just purely baffled.

I have found this case to be extremely confusing. Very little of what goes on with these people makes much sense to me, and I really try hard to not put it in terms of what I would or would not do, as I do not have very much in common with any of the people involved.

As far as what is said by Ron and Misty regarding present and past tense, I don't know how much of that is knowledge of death and how much of it is lack of education. I know several people like this, and also am from the south, and IMO a lot of it is just the way they speak.

I do feel Misty is involved somehow, as by her own story this happened on her watch, and her story makes no sense. Therefore, IMO, she is not telling the whole truth, but I can't put my finger on what she is lying about. Was she not there at all? Did something happen earlier in the day? I just don't know...

One thing I do not believe at all, and again, JMHO, is someone has taken and is keeping Haleigh as some kind of payback towards Ron.
 
  • #408
How is him saying that he will believe she's alive until they find her very "telling"? I have heard quite a few parents (who had absolutely nothing to do with their child's disappearance) say the exact same thing...or close to it. I kind of take that as....I will believe she is alive until someone can prove to me that she's not. I'm not sure I wouldn't say the same thing if I were in that position. REALLY not trying to offend anyone by this but I just don't see how that statement is so telling. I guess people just take things different ways.

I agree, actually... I dare say we could have looked past that statement if it wasn't for all the other things that seemed odd somehow. If he hadn't made other statements indicating he expected Haleigh to be dead it could have been easily interpreted as someone clinging to hope against all hope. But he didn't act like such a person would in other respects. He made other statements that didn't sound like he believed Haleigh was alive at all. He moved out of his and Haleigh's home ASAP, unlike many other parents who cling to hope and keep their missing child's room and toys intact for decades, saying it'll wait for the child just as it was. He married his gf, saying we'd like Haleigh to be here and there was a flowergirl dress waiting for her for the time that she could be there. If he believed she was alive why not just wait until she can be there for real?
 
  • #409
I have never believed that R was involved in what happened to Haleigh. Let me rephrase that: I have never believed he physically harmed her or was present when she disappeared. Further I do not believe he was aware beforehand that something was going to happen with Haleigh.

All of that said, his behavior as it pertains to M has screamed complicity all along. Whatever happened - he somehow feels guilt, which leads me to believe that despite the fact he was not "involved" he feels responsible. What does this mean? It means he knows his actions, lifestyle, choice of caretaker, pot, guns, whatever, have directly contributed to Haleigh's disappearance.

I adamantly feel that R was not there and had no knowledge of what happened (but may very well have had knowledge after) at the time. None of the above makes him a good guy in my opinion, but I do not think he harmed or participated in the disappearnce of his daughter.
 
  • #410
"We are satisfied that Mr. Cummings alibi is that he was at work." is not a confirmation from LE that Ron was in fact at work; it only confirms that is the alibi he gave.
 
  • #411
According to Ron's attorney, Ron was at the bottom of the suspect list. We don't know how many names are on that list, so if there is only MC and RC, what would that tell you. I think some of the statements are vague so LE doesn't have to let things out and tip their hand, KWIM?
 
  • #412
Donjeta,,,I totally agree with everything you said above,,however the one thing u said that struck a cord with me was,,,Misty is throwing peeps under the bus,,beware of those she hasn't, as they are probally the guilty ones....I am confused as the rest of what actually happened to Haleigh,,but I remember early on when it was told Joe the cuz, was a nutjob, and how he liked to throw live animals to the gators, to watch them fight for their lives only to be eaten alive...what kind of person does this???? Also, Timmy , Mistys favorite brother who was also well liked by Ron, was spending time with Joe..Joe was staying at Timmy and Chelsea's house at the time she went missing.Since LE is keeping everything so close to them and not us,,,,,.I believe it could be possible as well as any other conclusion,,,,that Joe and Timmy were the ones to dispose of the body, with Rc and MC being the ones directly involved with Haleigh's demise......The direction of these 4 named people have come up in my thoughts time after time....Why else would Timmy distance himself from Florida if he was totally innocent???? He is the one that MC and RC could trust, and Joe was a creep enough to have gotten rid of the body once and for all......The damage to the van, the things Chelsea said to cops about that night,,,they all are into drugs....the more I think about this, the more I think it is possible........What really happened to Haleigh , maybe we will never know,,,but I think Mc is closer to Timmy and would never point him out as helping get rid of the remains.....
 
  • #413
Donjeta,,,I totally agree with everything you said above,,however the one thing u said that struck a cord with me was,,,Misty is throwing peeps under the bus,,beware of those she hasn't, as they are probally the guilty ones....I am confused as the rest of what actually happened to Haleigh,,but I remember early on when it was told Joe the cuz, was a nutjob, and how he liked to throw live animals to the gators, to watch them fight for their lives only to be eaten alive...what kind of person does this???? Also, Timmy , Mistys favorite brother who was also well liked by Ron, was spending time with Joe..Joe was staying at Timmy and Chelsea's house at the time she went missing..I believe it is a good possiblity, Joe and Timmy were the ones to dispose of the body, with Rc and MC being the ones directly involved with Haleigh's demise......The direction of these 4 named people have come up in my thoughts time after time....Why else would Timmy distance himself from Florida if he was totally innocent???? He is the one that MC and RC could trust, and Joe was a creep enough to have gotten rid of the body once and for all......The damage to the van, the things Chelsea said to cops about that night,,,they all are into drugs....the more I think about this, the more I think it is possible........What really happened to Haleigh , maybe we will never know,,,but I think Mc is closer to Timmy and would never point him out as helping get rid of the remains.....

BBM..And IIRC Ronald Cummings was the one who told Cobra that sickening story.. What kind of father would even mention something so horrible especially if he didn't know where his daughter was or know what had happened to her like he has claimed...IMHO.. Ron C is the real sicko wacko nutjob in the bunch if you really think about it..

To be honest, for sometime after hearing that story I thought this may have been the way Haleigh's remains had been disposed of then I began to think.. Nope, that story was just another "Red Herring" thrown into the hunt to distract the hounds..JMO
 
  • #414
BBM..And IIRC Ronald Cummings was the one who told Cobra that sickening story.. What kind of father would even mention something so horrible especially if he didn't know where his daughter was or know what had happened to her like he has claimed...IMHO.. Ron C is the real sicko wacko nutjob in the bunch if you really think about it..

To be honest, for sometime after hearing that story I thought this may have been the way Haleigh's remains had been disposed of then I began to think.. Nope, that story was just another "Red Herring" thrown into the hunt to distract the hounds..JMO
Red herring or not,,,something horrible has happened to little Haleigh.....she didnt walk away from that trailer....I hope not, but knowing how much drugs play a role in these peoples lives,,I think when we find out what really happened ,,,we all will be sickened...moreso, than we are now,,not knowing...
 
  • #415
I agree, actually... I dare say we could have looked past that statement if it wasn't for all the other things that seemed odd somehow. If he hadn't made other statements indicating he expected Haleigh to be dead it could have been easily interpreted as someone clinging to hope against all hope. But he didn't act like such a person would in other respects. He made other statements that didn't sound like he believed Haleigh was alive at all. He moved out of his and Haleigh's home ASAP, unlike many other parents who cling to hope and keep their missing child's room and toys intact for decades, saying it'll wait for the child just as it was. He married his gf, saying we'd like Haleigh to be here and there was a flowergirl dress waiting for her for the time that she could be there. If he believed she was alive why not just wait until she can be there for real?

Casey's letters were released today. I'm only on page 4 and she's already used the phrase "I would give my life to have her BACK."

ETA: This letter was dated Oct 08, fully two months before they found Caylee's remains.
 
  • #416
I have to say, I am so impressed with the dedication that each and everyone of you have put into this case...and not only this case but all of the other ones I am reading about also. I know I am new here and all of you have been so kind to me....even if we don't agree. I love this site and have learned so much in the last few days (with still SO MUCH MORE to learn). No matter who agrees with what and no matter who thinks who is guilty or innocent, We all agree with one thing...this beautiful little girl NEEDS to be found...her family (the ones that truely love her) NEED to know what has happened to her...all of the awesome people here who have followed this case from the very beginning NEED to know what has happened to this little girl! Today, when I put my own precious angel down for his nap, I am starting fresh. I'm going to somehow act like I have never heard of this case and start reading and watching videos. I know it's going to take forever too. This is going to be very difficult because I think once you form an opinion about something it's hard to grasp anything else...it's hard to bend and even think about forming another opinion. I'm not saying that my opinion is going to change but I think I should take a MUCH longer look at this case before I set my opinions in stone. Thanks everyone! You are all truely awesome! Keep doing what you are doing!
 
  • #417
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BBM
That part was definitely strange to me. If the person conducting the test told Misty that the test showed that she was not sure when she said that Ron was not involved, wouldn't it be safe to assume that question showed deception or at least part deception? Eventhough we didn't get a percentage as to the results, it seems to me that the person conducting the test told us the results when he asked Misty that question and later said "she was not sure". So what, did Misty score a 50% on that question? I hope I am explaining this right but I know what I mean. lol

What I'm saying is this: The test results tell us that Misty deliberately withheld information, Misty knows what happened to Haleigh, and Misty knows where Haleigh is right now. But think about it...the test also tells us, Misty is NOT sure WHO took Haleigh (multiple people involved possibly) and Misty is NOT sure if RON had anything to do with Haleigh disappearing. Soooo....if Ron had absolutely nothing to do with his daughter missing, and Misty knew that, wouldn't Misty have passed that question "with flying colors"? Makes me think she didn't actually witness what happened to Haleigh. Where was she, if she don't know who took Haleigh or if Ron was involved?


Exactly! Misty might not have even been there when something happened. And I mean, may not have been babysitting at all. She showed "not sure" about who took Haleigh and "not sure" if Ron was involved. Maybe Haleigh was taken by Ron when he left the MH before Misty showed up. GGMs said that Misty showed up at the time that Ron left for work. Maybe she was set up for the whole thing.
 
  • #418
Donjeta,,,I totally agree with everything you said above,,however the one thing u said that struck a cord with me was,,,Misty is throwing peeps under the bus,,beware of those she hasn't, as they are probally the guilty ones....I am confused as the rest of what actually happened to Haleigh,,but I remember early on when it was told Joe the cuz, was a nutjob, and how he liked to throw live animals to the gators, to watch them fight for their lives only to be eaten alive...what kind of person does this???? Also, Timmy , Mistys favorite brother who was also well liked by Ron, was spending time with Joe..Joe was staying at Timmy and Chelsea's house at the time she went missing.Since LE is keeping everything so close to them and not us,,,,,.I believe it could be possible as well as any other conclusion,,,,that Joe and Timmy were the ones to dispose of the body, with Rc and MC being the ones directly involved with Haleigh's demise......The direction of these 4 named people have come up in my thoughts time after time....Why else would Timmy distance himself from Florida if he was totally innocent???? He is the one that MC and RC could trust, and Joe was a creep enough to have gotten rid of the body once and for all......The damage to the van, the things Chelsea said to cops about that night,,,they all are into drugs....the more I think about this, the more I think it is possible........What really happened to Haleigh , maybe we will never know,,,but I think Mc is closer to Timmy and would never point him out as helping get rid of the remains.....

IIRC, it was actually Ron C. who took Joe out in the boat and threw animals to the gators.
 
  • #419
According to TN, Misty was at Ronald’s Sunday night and they made up. Nay Nay said she overhead Misty tell Ronald she would be coming home with a condom. When the examiner asked Misty to detail what happened Monday, Feb 9th, she described a peaceful day with Ronald and the children.

Marlena Shivo told NG, R&M had an argument that evening because Ron was upset with Misty because of her affair yet when Misty explains what happened Monday evening, she doesn’t mention an argument occurred around HaLeigh’s bedtime and neither does Ronald or TN. Then another source comes forward and claims they argued over babysitting which also left everyone stupefied and scratching their heads. Because of this “argument” which was never confirmed by Ron or Misty, everyone became suspicious of Ron. When Ron called Tommy, he asked him if Misty was there and there is nothing to indicate Ron was upset with Misty when he made this call to Tommy; it sounds to me that Ron simply couldn’t reach Misty at his place and he wondered if she had gone there for some reason. Ron agreed to work overtime, stopped at a grocery store on his way home, and was surprised to see Misty up when he got home.

What proof is there to confirm an argument between R&M is the reason Misty turned her phone off at 8:30 pm?

Teresa said that Ron and Misty had talked all night Sunday night. When I first read that I assumed that the two had been together for this "talk", but now I realize that she said "talked" all night, Sunday night. It could mean
talking on the phone. I can't find anything that actually states that Misty was with Ron while "talking". Also according to Teresa, on Monday when she offered to pay Misty to babysit, Misty said she would, if Ron agreed. That makes me think that the "talking" had not led to "making up". That things were still on the "out" with them. Maybe Ron had made it clear on the phone that they were through? Who knows, but Misty somehow had a misgiving that all would be good about her babysitting the children. JMO.
 
  • #420
Red herring or not,,,something horrible has happened to little Haleigh.....she didnt walk away from that trailer....I hope not, but knowing how much drugs play a role in these peoples lives,,I think when we find out what really happened ,,,we all will be sickened...moreso, than we are now,,not knowing...


BBM..I totally agree and also believe she got caught up in an altercation between he and Misty or he and someone else and died due to her father playing Billy Bad Azz with a gun..
And since the last thing he and his family want is for this information to ever be revealed I supsect they went to extreme measures to make certain Haleigh's remains are never found... JMO
 
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