Theories discussion: What could have happened to Haleigh ? #6

[nomoresorrow]

I dont know why...

But, my gut feeling is that she is alive.

Bea, what I wouldn't give for you to be right. I can tell you this - If I turned my television on tomorrow and heard "HaLeigh Cummings Recovered Alive!", you'd hear me hooting, hollering, and crying tears of joy from every corner of this earth!! It would be an absolute, overwhelming joy for me to be wrong in this case!
JMO~

 

[Beatrice]

BBM
Where did you hear this?
Do you have a link?
I heard of a call after 3:00AM, but not at 10:00PM.

Sorry, I thought that was the facts.....Anyone?

 

[bessie]

After hearing this, I suspect if Ron did drive out of his way the morning of Feb 9th like Misty said he did on her LVA test, his motive was drug-related and not daughter-related.

Keep in mind, the drug sting took place almost a year after Haleigh disappeared. But, you could be right. I have an easier time believing that than Misty's story.

 

[nomoresorrow]

What could possibly point to Tommy is that a red pickup was seen in the area and he admits to being there that night. The story of no one home, all the lights, and no sounds at 10:00 - 10:30 don't add up because it's unlikely that Misty would have turned all lights off if she and the kids left and wouldn't have been sitting around in the dark if she were there at 8:30 and no tv's on for the kids. He knows about bricking doors, is said by neighbors to have been wandering around at night, might have entered the homes of sleeping people, and his clothing fibers, fingerprints, and hair would be expected to be found in the mobile home. Finally, Jr. says that a man dressed all in black took Haleigh.

Problem is, there were at least three red trucks owned by family members during that time; Tommy, Teresa N, and GGS's > if you count a Jeep Cherokee as a truck. GGS's got rid of her red Jeep Cherokee and bought a small 4-dr sedan Toyota (I'm pretty sure it's a Toyota anyway) and supposedly Tommy sold his red truck... Another thing to consider (at least I have) is why did Tommy even admit to LE about going to the MH that night? As you stated yourself in your post, "his clothing fibers, fingerprints, and hair would be expected to be found in the mobile home." So obviously his hand wasn't forced by LE because they found trace evidence belonging to him. That makes me lean toward a credible neighbor making a statement to LE that they saw Tommy at the MH, knocking on the door(s). If that's the case (which I suspect it is), than the neighbor also saw Tommy leave without HaLeigh. IMO, if LE didn't have a credible witness, such as a neighbor, stating that they watched as Tommy left, that he wasn't there long enough to have broken in/go inside the home, and he didn't have a child with him when he left, Tommy would have been kept by LE at that time. If anything, it seemed to me that, not only did LE already know about it, they needed Tommy to come clean about it because it further substantiated what LE already knew/believes; that Misty was not at the MH at that time and personally, IMO, they know that HaLeigh & Jr. weren't there at that time either.

MOO~

 

[bessie]

Problem is, there were at least three red trucks owned by family members during that time; Tommy, Teresa N, and GGS's > if you count a Jeep Cherokee as a truck. GGS's got rid of her red Jeep Cherokee and bought a small 4-dr sedan Toyota (I'm pretty sure it's a Toyota anyway) and supposedly Tommy sold his red truck... Another thing to consider (at least I have) is why did Tommy even admit to LE about going to the MH that night? As you stated yourself in your post, "his clothing fibers, fingerprints, and hair would be expected to be found in the mobile home." So obviously his hand wasn't forced by LE because they found trace evidence belonging to him. That makes me lean toward a credible neighbor making a statement to LE that they saw Tommy at the MH, knocking on the door(s). If that's the case (which I suspect it is), than the neighbor also saw Tommy leave without HaLeigh. IMO, if LE didn't have a credible witness, such as a neighbor, stating that they watched as Tommy left, that he wasn't there long enough to have broken in/go inside the home, and he didn't have a child with him when he left, Tommy would have been kept by LE at that time. If anything, it seemed to me that, not only did LE already know about it, they needed Tommy to come clean about it because it further substantiated what LE already knew/believes; that Misty was not at the MH at that time and personally, IMO, they know that HaLeigh & Jr. weren't there at that time either.

MOO~

I normally avoid discussions that focus on the vehicles. I have the darndest time keeping them straight in my head, and I'm in awe of those of you who do. I just wanted to say that your idea about a neighbor reporting a Tommy sighting that night is spot on. You're absolutely correct. He didn't have to admit he'd been there. He even had Lindsy to lend an alibi and say he was home all night. The MH is somewhat isolated. At that time of night, it's quite possible a neighbor heard a car and peeked out a window. Ron and Misty were new to Green Ln, but prior to moving there, they lived just around the corner. Who knows what had gone on in the past. The neighbor might've had reason to be suspicious. Yep, that makes perfect sense.

I'm old enough to know that in this life one should never say never because anything is possible. BUT I just don't see Tommy as the one who hurt Haleigh. I'm not feeling it, and the facts don't support it. On the other hand, if anyone can follow through with a theory, supplying the what, when, where, how, and why, I'd be interested in reading it.

 

[Whisperer]

I recently read some people at the bus stop saw misty talking to a person in a red vehicle...described as Lindsey....WTH?

AS = red nissan pick up which was often driven by rc.
TN = red chevy pick up.
AS = red suv traded in between 2/9/2209 and 2/28/2009. She purchased new vehicle, another red nissan, but not a pickup....still has red nissan crew pickup.
TC/HC alledgedly had red pickup.

....and now we have Lindsay sitting in one at the bus stop 2/9/2009..??

 

[debs]

I recently read some people at the bus stop saw misty talking to a person in a red vehicle...described as Lindsey....WTH?

AS = red nissan pick up which was often driven by rc.
TN = red chevy pick up.
AS = red suv traded in between 2/9/2209 and 2/28/2009. She purchased new vehicle, another red nissan, but not a pickup....still has red nissan crew pickup.
TC/HC alledgedly had red pickup.

....and now we have Lindsay sitting in one at the bus stop 2/9/2009..??

If Tommy owned a red truck, it stands to reason that occasionally his wife would drive it, no?

 

[Donjeta]

If Tommy owned a red truck, it stands to reason that occasionally his wife would drive it, no?

Especially if Chelsea or someone else had her van.

Totally OT as I don't see what this has to do with any theory but I don't understand why they'd need to drive to get to the bus stop anyway. If the bus stop is located where WS'ers sleuthed it in the beginning of the case it appeared to be an easy walking distance from both Tyler and Green Lane, and if money was tight, why waste it on gas driving such short distances? Why do people have legs any more?

 

[debs]

donj, you ask the 10,000 dollar question: I live across the street from a neighborhood park. Eight houses down resides a young mother and her daughter, who is a school friend of my granddaughter. This young mom drives a turbo diesel truck. She will cruise up and down the street 10 times an hour. It makes no sense, since the time it takes to get from house to truck, start the truck up, turn the truck around, and make it down the road, she'd have already been there on her own two feet.

But for these folks, there aren't any sidewalks on those roads, and frankly, with the way we've heard described some of the residents in that area drive (Ron, Misty, Tommy, etc)....I'd probably not allow my child to walk, either.

 

[suspicious1]

I recently read some people at the bus stop saw misty talking to a person in a red vehicle...described as Lindsey....WTH?

AS = red nissan pick up which was often driven by rc.
TN = red chevy pick up.
AS = red suv traded in between 2/9/2209 and 2/28/2009. She purchased new vehicle, another red nissan, but not a pickup....still has red nissan crew pickup.
TC/HC alledgedly had red pickup.

....and now we have Lindsay sitting in one at the bus stop 2/9/2009..??

That's the first I heard of that too, Whisp. I thought Misty was overheard on a cell phone talking about the bad drugs that she got. Well I guess I was wrong. Thanks, whisp.

ETA: Don't the kids, Tommy and Rons, ride the same school bus. Why would Misty and Lindsey both be at the bus stop. don't they know anything about car pooling?

So we have Misty and Lindsey at the bus stop at about what 3:45p? I assume Lindsey is there picking up her kids too.
We have Misty being seen driving in the opposite direction of Green Ln
We have Tommy at the mh with his kids at about 5p.

So what I'm thinking is, if Misty was talking to Lindsey about some bad drugs she got, maybe she told Lindsey she was going to go fetch some better drugs while she had the transportation. Maybe Lindsey went back and told Hank Jr and that's why he felt the need to go over there at 5p. Misty was back at the mh with "better drugs"? I just find it odd that, if it is true Lindsey was at the bus stop, that her husband ended up at the mh on Green Ln only about an hour or so later. Maybe I'm reading too much into that but it's still odd (to me anyways).

 

[Crosby87]

Keep in mind, the drug sting took place almost a year after Haleigh disappeared. But, you could be right. I have an easier time believing that than Misty's story.

Bessie, Me too. It makes more sense.

IIRC, Tommy admitted to Timmy in one of his conversations at the jailhouse that he was involved in drugs long before HaLeigh went missing and there are witnesses who heard Misty talking about the drugs she recently scored at the school bus stop before she took off in the opposite direction of Hermit's Cove hours before HaLeigh disappeared. I am beginning to believe there might be some truth in Nay Nay's letter and HaLeigh OD'd on Oxycontin. It would be helpful to know if Ron permitted Misty to give HaLeigh something to help settle her down to sleep in the past.

Despite Ronald's criminal history, he adamantly denied he had any involvement in drugs when he was interviewed by Geraldo and because Misty's reason for driving to gmma's house the morning Haleigh disappeared is so incredulous and we have seen where their priorities lie, until it is proven otherwise, I think that if there was a run in the morning, it was most likely drug-related. Misty didn’t utter a word about drugs during her LVA and hypnosis tests and this is why IMO her test results showed deception.

 

[lil momma]

Bessie, Me too. It makes more sense.

IIRC, Tommy admitted to Timmy in one of his conversations at the jailhouse that he was involved in drugs long before HaLeigh went missing and there are witnesses who heard Misty talking about the drugs she recently scored at the school bus stop before she took off in the opposite direction of Hermit's Cove hours before HaLeigh disappeared. I am beginning to believe there might be some truth in Nay Nay's letter and HaLeigh OD'd on Oxycontin. It would be helpful to know if Ron permitted Misty to give HaLeigh something to help settle her down to sleep in the past.

Despite Ronald's criminal history, he adamantly denied he had any involvement in drugs when he was interviewed by Geraldo and because Misty's reason for driving to gmma's house the morning Haleigh disappeared is so incredulous and we have seen where their priorities lie, until it is proven otherwise, I think that if there was a run in the morning, it was most likely drug-related. Misty didn’t utter a word about drugs during her LVA and hypnosis tests and this is why IMO her test results showed deception.

Hi Bluesky!

I am wondering, do you think GGM could be a supplier? just something i thought about when reading your post, figured i would ask

 

[elle1919]

ToC stated on the jail tapes that Misty often called him to get roxies, roxies were among the pills when he got busted slumped over the steering wheel at the bus stop, and roxies were the pills that were involved in his recent charges. I noticed that because most of the others were charged with Oxycodone, except Tommy. It is pretty clear to me he knew where to get the roxies. What Law Enforcement needs to do is find out who is supplying ToC, and get them off the streets, whoever it is has been doing it for well over a year in my opinion.

I know one thing, Misty is sure not what or who everyone claimed she was and I talked myself out of a theory that involved Haleigh waking up and going off to look for Misty that night because everyone seemed to make her into an angel who loved children. I wouldn't be surprised if my original thoughts were true and Misty went to get some more Roxies from dear ol brother and Haleigh woke up and couldn't find her. Misty might very well have done this plenty of times in the past. I wonder if Law Enforcement found a pile of cigarette butts out the back door of that trailer?

 

[Baznme]

That's the first I heard of that too, Whisp. I thought Misty was overheard on a cell phone talking about the bad drugs that she got. Well I guess I was wrong. Thanks, whisp.

ETA: Don't the kids, Tommy and Rons, ride the same school bus. Why would Misty and Lindsey both be at the bus stop. don't they know anything about car pooling?

So we have Misty and Lindsey at the bus stop at about what 3:45p? I assume Lindsey is there picking up her kids too.
We have Misty being seen driving in the opposite direction of Green Ln
We have Tommy at the mh with his kids at about 5p.

So what I'm thinking is, if Misty was talking to Lindsey about some bad drugs she got, maybe she told Lindsey she was going to go fetch some better drugs while she had the transportation. Maybe Lindsey went back and told Hank Jr and that's why he felt the need to go over there at 5p. Misty was back at the mh with "better drugs"? I just find it odd that, if it is true Lindsey was at the bus stop, that her husband ended up at the mh on Green Ln only about an hour or so later. Maybe I'm reading too much into that but it's still odd (to me anyways).

Good point Suspicious1!!!!!!!!! How did RC have any time to play/kiss his daughter before going to work if this was the case? Did Lindsey take Haleigh to her house and TC brought her home around 5pm? That's a gap I've not seen explored here before. Witnesses that see MC driving in the opposite direction of Green Lane and seeing Lindsey at the bus stop. Who went where and where was RC? Did MC take Haleigh to him wherever he was? Where was Jr.? Possible Jr. went with Lindsey and Haleigh went with MC but never came back with MC.

 

[Crosby87]

Hi Bluesky!

I am wondering, do you think GGM could be a supplier? just something i thought about when reading your post, figured i would ask

According to Misty, all of Ron's relatives do drugs so it wouldn't surprise me to learn Ron was helping himself to her supply or manipulating his gmma into sharing her prescription drugs with him.

 

[Crosby87]

ToC stated on the jail tapes that Misty often called him to get roxies, roxies were among the pills when he got busted slumped over the steering wheel at the bus stop, and roxies were the pills that were involved in his recent charges. I noticed that because most of the others were charged with Oxycodone, except Tommy. It is pretty clear to me he knew where to get the roxies. What Law Enforcement needs to do is find out who is supplying ToC, and get them off the streets, whoever it is has been doing it for well over a year in my opinion.

I know one thing, Misty is sure not what or who everyone claimed she was and I talked myself out of a theory that involved Haleigh waking up and going off to look for Misty that night because everyone seemed to make her into an angel who loved children. I wouldn't be surprised if my original thoughts were true and Misty went to get some more Roxies from dear ol brother and Haleigh woke up and couldn't find her. Misty might very well have done this plenty of times in the past. I wonder if Law Enforcement found a pile of cigarette butts out the back door of that trailer?[/QUOTE]

Because Ron and especially Misty appeared to be chain smokers, it is important for LE to know exactly where Ron and Misty disposed the majority of their cigarette butts; unless they thought to remove them before the 911 call. Did Misty say where she smoked at Ronald's house? Was smoking disallowed in the house because of HaLeigh's medical condition? If a pile of cigarette butts were found by the side door, it disproves Ron and Misty's claim that they seldom used the back door doesn't it. Thanks Elle.

 

[debs]

A pile of butts out the back door only prove that someone stood in that area and threw them in a particular spot. But frankly, why wouldn't they sit out on their front porch, screen enclosed but still "outside" and smoke, rather than standing on the rather steep ramp and keeping the house door open?

Again, it doesn't make sense, these people dedicated to making life easy for themselves. The back door is NOT convenient.

 

[twall]

ToC stated on the jail tapes that Misty often called him to get roxies, roxies were among the pills when he got busted slumped over the steering wheel at the bus stop, and roxies were the pills that were involved in his recent charges. I noticed that because most of the others were charged with Oxycodone, except Tommy. It is pretty clear to me he knew where to get the roxies. What Law Enforcement needs to do is find out who is supplying ToC, and get them off the streets, whoever it is has been doing it for well over a year in my opinion.

Respectfully snipped for subject matter.

We have all read the incident report that states Tommy acquired the Roxies from a WM in a black Chevy truck at the Palatka Auto Zone.
Here are some recent arrests I found that also include Roxies. I am using them as examples as to how bad the drug problem is in the area and with the new law coming into effect soon in FL involving pain management clinics hopefully it will lower it.

Disclaimer-I am not in any way implicating the following people are involved with anyone associated with Haleigh and all parties are innocent until proven guilty. Like on the Cops show-lol.

January 10, 2010

Drug Arrests

On the afternoon of Friday January 8, 2009 the Florida Department of Law Enforcement Tri-County Drug Taskforce with assistance from the Palatka Police Department Street Crimes Unit and the Putnam County Sheriff's Office Drug Unit conducted a drug investigation into the illegal distribution of roxycodone within Palatka. The investigation resulted in the arrest of Lee Latrill Hall age 24 of Palatka and Ceazer Bullard age 49 of Palatka. Investigators stopped a vehicle occupied by Hall and Bullard and found a large amount of roxycodone and suspected crack cocaine. The roxycodone was approximately 61 grams (480) pills, street value of $12,600.00 and the crack cocaine was in excess of 51 grams, street value in excess of $4,000.00. Hall was charged with trafficking in cocaine, trafficking in roxycodone , fleeing and attempting to elude and driving on a suspended drivers license. Bullard was charged with trafficking in cocaine and trafficking in roxycodone. Both were held at the Putnam County Jail with no bond.

March 12, 2010

Several Suspects Arrested with Drugs and Guns

On Thursday, March 11th, during the evening hours a drug investigation took place after the purchase of cannabis from an apartment located at 803 North 15th Street in Palatka. A suspect identified as Jarvis Wingo was identified as the seller of illegal narcotics from that location. While working to secure a search warrant for the property, Wingo was observed leaving the apartment with several other people. The vehicle was stopped and the occupants detained. A second vehicle left the residence a short time later. It was also stopped and the occupants detained. The apartment was then secured and the search warrant executed a short time later.

The following individuals were arrested in connection with this drug investigation at 803 North 15th Street Apt. B-130. Three (3) handguns, 218 Roxycodone pills, a television, and approximately 50 grams of marijuana were seized.

22-year-old Jarvis Wingo of Miami. Wingo was charged with DWLSR and Sale of Cannabis within 1000 feet of a Place of Worship.

21-year-old Maurice Dumas of Palatka. Dumas was charged with Trafficking in Roxycodone, Possession of a Firearm with a Removed Serial Number, Possession of Cannabis (Under 20).

19-year-old David Blackmon of Palatka. Blackmon was charged with Trafficking in Roxycodone, Possession of a Firearm with a Removed Serial Number, Possession of Cannabis (Under 20).

23-year-old Tavaris Wesley was arrested on an active local warrant. Six other subjects found at the residence were questioned and released.

http://www.palatkapd.net/news.htm

ETA-Blackmon and Dumas bonded out of jail on the same charge the players in this case are still in on and they both have many prior infractions. This info. I found at the PCSO website.

 

[Crosby87]

A pile of butts out the back door only prove that someone stood in that area and threw them in a particular spot. But frankly, why wouldn't they sit out on their front porch, screen enclosed but still "outside" and smoke, rather than standing on the rather steep ramp and keeping the house door open?

Again, it doesn't make sense, these people dedicated to making life easy for themselves. The back door is NOT convenient.

So true. Thanks Deb.

 

[4Jacy]

According to Misty, all of Ron's relatives do drugs so it wouldn't surprise me to learn Ron was helping himself to her supply or manipulating his gmma into sharing her prescription drugs with him.

Yes, but "according to Misty........ (who believes what she says) And even though it wouldn't supprise me, I would still have to question everything she says. Why? Because she is Misty.