Theories discussion: What could have happened to Haleigh ? #6

[southernvagirl]

I will always believe RC and MC killed little Haleigh in the mist of a fight over her 3 day tryst...Otherwise, if Misty had done the deed alone (which I think she hated Haleigh enough to do) RC would NOT have been so protective of her....For TN and others to protect MC,,I think it was only to protect RC...Maybe it just isnt meant for Haleigh to come home to those of us who really care,,,because the ones closest to her already know where her body is located...MHOO

 

[4Jacy]

Well in fact, Teresa did tell Ron on one of the rare jail audios that she was proud of him.

Well, for Heavan' sake, lone, wouldn't you be proud of a son with such a high IQ......ha ha ha

 

[chizap]

From day one I have "felt" that this was an accidental overdose (Haleigh) and the pills must have been RC's stash in particular that she may have gotten into, while MC was in a drug induced sleep.
Perhaps the other people who stopped over to party,TC and Joe, noticed and took care of it before MC woke out of it. I think the bouncing that JR reported at his tender age might have been resucitation attempts.
I think all the talk about bedwetting is because of her bodily function release at death.
RC was adamant about Not using drugs at the time, even though he has a past arrest record for such. TN is protective of her son. MC might have thought she held something over them because it was "RC's" stash and they did not want that to come out and lose JR also. If Haleigh was already gone, better to save what was left.
A lot of people say that TN and RC were "over acting" in grief when it first happened. I think they were Really grieving- because they knew. Then came the tattoo. Then came a tattoo of Jr because of the obviousness of getting a memorial tat for Haleigh- at that point they were defending and reacting to the media etc.
RC appears "eager" to take his drug punishment- maybe his guilt goes deeper, because drugs were the cause. With all the pills and pill takers we have heard about in this case, I am surprised the other kids have not had any close calls...JMO

 

[Emeralgem]

I will always believe RC and MC killed little Haleigh in the mist of a fight over her 3 day tryst...Otherwise, if Misty had done the deed alone (which I think she hated Haleigh enough to do) RC would NOT have been so protective of her....For TN and others to protect MC,,I think it was only to protect RC...Maybe it just isnt meant for Haleigh to come home to those of us who really care,,,because the ones closest to her already know where her body is located...MHOO

BBMRED I am in complete agreement.

BBM..How dare any of the Cummings justify in their feeble minds they ever had or have the right to deny Haleigh's mother and her family the TRUTH as to what really happened to her, where she is and what they did with her remains? JMO

 

[Skully]

To try and think what happened to this precious child is getting more difficult instead of less difficult.

The way it stands now, misty is #1 for a suspect that may have harmed Haleigh. To think that rc is involved doesn't take much effort but he is a very confusing person. First of all he lies and second he loves himself more than anyone else. He is an oger for making sure that people think he is a good father. Therein lies the problem

We get confused because he has a volatile temper and is protecting the number 1 suspect.

I am going to have to say I am confused between wanting to believe he harmed Haliegh and knowing in my gut that if he didn't, he may still act the same way, for he is just as interested in protecting himself as he is of looking like a real loving father. He lies, he hides, he conives. He could do all this for his own ego. He is that self-absorbed. He knows he would be found negligent for having misty babysit and he knows she would spill about his drugs.

If he is not involved in harming Haleigh, he sure has to know misty did and is willing to give up on Haleigh to protect himself. I don't see that changing at all.

Since misty is not choosing to come clean, this seals her fate in the court of public opinion. If she didn't fail all the tests, she may have got a reprieve. What we don't know is if rc failed also. I doubt he passed on many of the questions. He would rather sit in jail as a drug dealer (and proud of it) than sit at home and be accused of murdering his daughter. He is very willing and happy to serve time. He will play the sympathy card and buy the inmates friendship. His mother will keep him at the top of the hill by keeping him in money. Commissary privilges will keep him safe for a long time as he can trade and barter to buy protection. I am surprised because I thought he would go down kicking and screaming all the way. As long as he has people to control and can strut his stuff, he does fine. Lock him up away from everyone and he will go insane.

These two are turning out to be a lot tougher than most of us ever thought. I knew misty would be tough but I thought rc was a whiner and complainer. We have heard nada....hmm.

Good insight here Whisp. I wonder why he doesn't just talk now that he is in jail, has lost JR? Maybe his image, IDK? I also find it strange that if Ron is talking on tape or trashing Misty, why not show that so Misty realizes she needs to talk? I don't think he is talking, I think he is doing what KC is doing, keeping it all to herself.

 

[Baznme]

I had a thought this morning. Ever notice whenever you heard RC plea for Haleigh's safe return, more often than not, it was......"IF YOU'RE OUT THERE", blah, blah, blah. That isn't something a father would say especially early on in the case.

I don't know, maybe it's just me but everytime I heard him say that, it just sent me into "suspicious" mode.

 

[Baznme]

From day one I have "felt" that this was an accidental overdose (Haleigh) and the pills must have been RC's stash in particular that she may have gotten into, while MC was in a drug induced sleep.
Perhaps the other people who stopped over to party,TC and Joe, noticed and took care of it before MC woke out of it. I think the bouncing that JR reported at his tender age might have been resucitation attempts.
I think all the talk about bedwetting is because of her bodily function release at death.
RC was adamant about Not using drugs at the time, even though he has a past arrest record for such. TN is protective of her son. MC might have thought she held something over them because it was "RC's" stash and they did not want that to come out and lose JR also. If Haleigh was already gone, better to save what was left.
A lot of people say that TN and RC were "over acting" in grief when it first happened. I think they were Really grieving- because they knew. Then came the tattoo. Then came a tattoo of Jr because of the obviousness of getting a memorial tat for Haleigh- at that point they were defending and reacting to the media etc.
RC appears "eager" to take his drug punishment- maybe his guilt goes deeper, because drugs were the cause. With all the pills and pill takers we have heard about in this case, I am surprised the other kids have not had any close calls...JMO

Every word of your post makes complete sense. I think you are right on all counts. The icing on the cake was when he offered to take Hope's sentence. (guilt)

Now if we could just get this baby back home.

 

[Baznme]

Good insight here Whisp. I wonder why he doesn't just talk now that he is in jail, has lost JR? Maybe his image, IDK? I also find it strange that if Ron is talking on tape or trashing Misty, why not show that so Misty realizes she needs to talk? I don't think he is talking, I think he is doing what KC is doing, keeping it all to herself.

We can only hope that this entire facade of "someone took Haleigh" will all be exposed with proof and was all to prevent what has eventually happened irregardless. Jail and the loss of custody for Jr. has occurred anyway due to his very stupid mistakes. One might think he would re-evaluate his situation and come up with the truth but, there's a big hitch. He's dug in so deep, he can't spill the beans without implicating his mother and grandmother! The deafening silence on RC's and TN's conversations speaks that to me. Again, JMO

 

[Searchfortruth]

Good insight here Whisp. I wonder why he doesn't just talk now that he is in jail, has lost JR? Maybe his image, IDK? I also find it strange that if Ron is talking on tape or trashing Misty, why not show that so Misty realizes she needs to talk? I don't think he is talking, I think he is doing what KC is doing, keeping it all to herself.

The fact that neither Ron nor Misty have talked behind bars tells me (almost) all I need to know. Ron has a history of escaping drug charges and there is usually only one way to do this, by talking. So, he is no stranger to making a deal it seems. Misty hates jail so much that if she could talk and turn someone in, I believe she would have done so by now. Heck, she told LE about her brother's burglary before her head hit the pillow that first night in jail. IMO, the only option left is they can't talk, to do so would have them both serving sentences longer than what is being offered now.

 

[pip]

The fact that neither Ron nor Misty have talked behind bars tells me (almost) all I need to know. Ron has a history of escaping drug charges and there is usually only one way to do this, by talking. So, he is no stranger to making a deal it seems. Misty hates jail so much that if she could talk and turn someone in, I believe she would have done so by now. Heck, she told LE about her brother's burglary before her head hit the pillow that first night in jail. IMO, the only option left is they can't talk, to do so would have them both serving sentences longer than what is being offered now.

I agree! They can't talk. Either because (A) they don't know anything or (B) the guilty party is holding something bigger over one or more of their heads and they would serve more time for naming the guilty party? I believe B to be true, but I can't figure out what one or more of them did that they are needing to hide, or what combination of the 3 is actually involved or in the know. Maybe all 3? TC, MC, RC. It would have to be worse than drug dealing. The guilty party could be one or more of the 3, or someone outside the 3. I think they are intertwined by some secret they know is best to keep. If theory B is true, what could they have done that they would serve alot of time on beyond drug dealing? Oh, the burning questions. :waitasec:

 

[Searchfortruth]

I agree! They can't talk. Either because (A) they don't know anything or (B) the guilty party is holding something bigger over one or more of their heads and they would serve more time for naming the guilty party? I believe B to be true, but I can't figure out what one or more of them did that they are needing to hide, or what combination of the 3 is actually involved or in the know. Maybe all 3? TC, MC, RC. It would have to be worse than drug dealing. The guilty party could be one or more of the 3, or someone outside the 3. I think they are intertwined by some secret they know is best to keep. If theory B is true, what could they have done that they would serve alot of time on beyond drug dealing? Oh, the burning questions. :waitasec:

I believe they (RC and MC) know everything and I don't think either one of them would spend a night in jail for someone else (family included). But, that's just my opinion.

 

[Crosby87]

From day one I have "felt" that this was an accidental overdose (Haleigh) and the pills must have been RC's stash in particular that she may have gotten into, while MC was in a drug induced sleep.
Perhaps the other people who stopped over to party,TC and Joe, noticed and took care of it before MC woke out of it. I think the bouncing that JR reported at his tender age might have been resucitation attempts.
I think all the talk about bedwetting is because of her bodily function release at death.RC was adamant about Not using drugs at the time, even though he has a past arrest record for such. TN is protective of her son. MC might have thought she held something over them because it was "RC's" stash and they did not want that to come out and lose JR also. If Haleigh was already gone, better to save what was left.
A lot of people say that TN and RC were "over acting" in grief when it first happened. I think they were Really grieving- because they knew. Then came the tattoo. Then came a tattoo of Jr because of the obviousness of getting a memorial tat for Haleigh- at that point they were defending and reacting to the media etc.
RC appears "eager" to take his drug punishment- maybe his guilt goes deeper, because drugs were the cause. With all the pills and pill takers we have heard about in this case, I am surprised the other kids have not had any close calls...JMO

Perhaps we need to start a thread for questions Misty should be asked on a polygraph:

1. Did you argue with HaLeigh on Monday evening?
2. Were you physically and verbally violent with HaLeigh and Junior?
3. Did you strike HaLeigh Monday evening?
4. Were there prescription drugs in the home HaLeigh had access to?
5. Did HaLeigh swallow these drugs and die?
6. Did you perform CPR on HaLeigh?

I posted a question on the Q&A thread asking if any of the questions on Misty's tests administered by Tim Miller were related to a possible illegal drug overdose or domestic violence. Tim Miller recently declared he does not believe Ron knows what happened to HaLeigh.

Until you mentioned it, it never crossed my mind that the couch would have been bouncing if Misty was administering CPR to HaLeigh. Would Misty have the presence of mind to start CPR as soon as she realized HaLeigh’s life was in jeopardy? It is imperative to know proper CPR techniques in order to save the victim?

Junior knows what went on that night and I wonder if Misty is attacking Tommy because she is afraid Junior will eventually implicate her for what happened to HaLeigh when he is older? Hopefully when his communication skills improve he will be able to articulate what happened to his sissy but right now, Junior’s age and inability to express himself buys Misty precious time and works to her advantage. Misty wasn’t willing to admit she did drugs until she realized it could possibly get her out of jail sooner.

 

[pip]

I believe they (RC and MC) know everything and I don't think either one of them would spend a night in jail for someone else (family included). But, that's just my opinion.

I agree, unless telling on whoever did it (if they didn't) may land them in deeper water with the law for something else. Like, if you rat me out, i'll rat you out. It's a confusing ball of wax with alot of possibilities for sure!

 

[Searchfortruth]

Perhaps we need to start a thread for questions Misty should be asked on a polygraph:

1. Did you argue with HaLeigh on Monday evening?
2. Were you physically and verbally violent with HaLeigh and Junior?
3. Did you strike HaLeigh Monday evening?
4. Were there prescription drugs in the home HaLeigh had access to?
5. Did HaLeigh swallow these drugs and die?
6. Did you perform CPR on HaLeigh?

I posted a question on the Q&A thread asking if any of the questions on Misty's tests administered by Tim Miller were related to a possible illegal drug overdose or domestic violence.

Until you mentioned it, it never crossed my mind that the couch would have been bouncing if Misty was administering CPR to HaLeigh. Would Misty have the presence of mind to start CPR as soon as she realized HaLeigh’s life was in jeopardy? It is imperative to know proper CPR techniques in order to save the victim?

Junior knows what went on that night and I wonder if Misty is attacking Tommy because she is afraid Junior will eventually implicate her for what happened to HaLeigh when he is older? Hopefully when his communication skills improve he will be able to articulate what happened to his sissy but right now, Junior’s age and inability to express himself buys Misty precious time and works to her advantage. Misty wasn’t willing to admit she did drugs until she realized it could possibly get her out of jail sooner.

Here's a small piece on some of the key questions Misty was asked. BBM.

Misty was asked the following questions: "Did you intentionally withhold information regarding Haleigh's disappearance?" "Do you know what happened to Haleigh?" "Do you know where Haleigh is now?"

Misty responded "no" to all three questions and the results show she gave a 95 to 99 percent deceiving answer to all three.

http://www.wftv.com/news/20581786/detail.html

I don't remember them asking her about drugs or domestic violence during this polygraph.

 

[Baznme]

The fact that neither Ron nor Misty have talked behind bars tells me (almost) all I need to know. Ron has a history of escaping drug charges and there is usually only one way to do this, by talking. So, he is no stranger to making a deal it seems. Misty hates jail so much that if she could talk and turn someone in, I believe she would have done so by now. Heck, she told LE about her brother's burglary before her head hit the pillow that first night in jail. IMO, the only option left is they can't talk, to do so would have them both serving sentences longer than what is being offered now.

I'm no attorney but I don't think that them both serving sentences longer than what is being offered now is necessarily true. If.....and I say this with a big IF........it was an accident resulting in the death of Haleigh, it could be called an accidental death, I would think the charge brought in that case would be manslaughter and not murder. I know of a case where the manslaughter charge was brought and they plead guilty. The sentence for that was only 6 years.

Edited to add: The case I refer to also did not waste a lot of taxpayers money, resources and time to investigate to get to the truth either. Therein may lie the difference.

 

[Searchfortruth]

I'm no attorney but I don't think that them both serving sentences longer than what is being offered now is necessarily true. If.....and I say this with a big IF........it was an accident resulting in the death of Haleigh, it could be called an accidental death, I would think the charge brought in that case would be manslaughter and not murder. I know of a case where the manslaughter charge was brought and they plead guilty. The sentence for that was only 6 years.

I guess it would depend on what caused Haleigh's death as to whether it could be ruled an accident. I have a hard time believing that the ones responsible would still be keeping an accidental death secret. If it was due to a drug OD, I believe felony murder charges could be brought by the state.

 

[Whisperer]

Jr was four years old when Haleigh vanished. If he were awake and unless he has a disability of some sort, he should be able to say what happened with no problem...that is if he were questioned immediately.

 

[Whisperer]

Jr recalls man in black. It does not mean it is him but rc WAS wearing a navy jumpsuit that night...? Our imaginations do not have to go far but are we correct and was JR correct?

 

[cj1132]

What if someone was asked to get rid of something and he or she didn't know it was a body? Could that person have done this before Haleigh's disappearance was public knowledge? Maybe that person was told to dispose of more than one thing and was told to hide the "items" in different locations.

 

[suspicious1]

Jr recalls man in black. It does not mean it is him but rc WAS wearing a navy jumpsuit that night...? Our imaginations do not have to go far but are we correct and was JR correct?

That's what I thought too when I heard what Jr said. In the dark or with limited lighting, a navy jumpsuit would appear d@mn near close to black. One of the sister-in-laws said that Ron had to turn over his work clothes at the police station:waitasec:. Apparently he was wearing his navy jumpsuit. Could Jr have seen his father in (black/navy) that night?