Theories discussion: What could have happened to Haleigh ? #6

[Whisperer]

I can not access any of my files but I remember posting in some thread when Hardy gave a pressor. It was a fairly long one and he was asked if JO was there and he said, "He was there"
...w/o stating a time...grrrrr.

It was the tape when he called the pressor to explain that a SO in the area was cleared and that they have no information to support JO being an SO.

 

[Whisperer]

I am dumb about all this but it seems many people in florida have guns and carry them. Are all rc's guns registered? Is there a way to search this?

 

[SweetDreamOfYou]

I have always been stuck on the looking under the beds on the floor for haleigh. of course a gun would have fit under the beds. it has always made me wonder. it seems to make no difference i guess but it has always sounded to me like misty was describing looking for the gun not haleigh.

 

[Emma Peel]

just sharing ... "today's funk":

Was reading Casey/Caylee (jail house letters)
while
thinking about Misty/Haleigh...

Too many parallels to deny Occam's Razor.
Gives great weight to theory: Haleigh was overdosed
"Knocking out" kids so you can party - (Casey's terminology) - could this be a common practice?
Casey/Misty - eerily similar persona.
selfish, manipulative, enabled chameleons
Trapped in dysfunction junction.
Overwhelmed by baby responsibilities
Love 'em, Drug 'em, Leave 'em for a party.
Tell-tale signs that family knows truth.
Conspiracy follows - supported by family desperate to upkeep image.
Haleigh just needs her Kronk to show up.

The End. (for now) :crazy:

emma's RX warning: if you dare read those letters, first swallow 2 acetaminophen.

 

[Concerned Papa]

<snipped from CP’s in response to elle’s post to save space>…

Your articles show that the accusations came from various family members and friends including TN, MC, CC, and the Croslins. …

Really? TN came out and directly accused Joe of taking HaLeigh? I don’t recall hearing TN name Joe as a suspect or anyone else for that matter. I remember TN said she didn’t know Joe and she didn’t think to check him out seeing that he was Misty’s relative; and Crystal Cummings said Joe wasn’t a good person for HaLeigh to be around. (paraphrased) IIRC, TN later said we don’t care who it implicates.

Will we ever get to read the letter Misty wrote to her father and Chelsea where she says Joe and Tommy couldn’t find Ron’s gun so Joe took HaLeigh instead?

I believe conjugal visits are allowed in prisons but I am not sure what FL laws are concerning this privilege.

As to the bolded part, not necessarily directly, but the inference was certainly there.

When you have Misty saying things like this on The Today Show:

MATT LAUER, CO-HOST: Do you have any reason to believe that that relative of yours has anything to do with the disappearance of Haleigh?

MISTY CROSLIN, HALEIGH`S FATHER`S GIRLFRIEND: I really don`t know. I don`t know if he did or not.

LAUER: You`re not quite sure?

CROSLIN: I`m not quite sure at all, no.

LAUER: Can you tell me a little bit more about that person?

CROSLIN: He`s -- you know, he`s a criminal, pretty much. He`s been in trouble his whole life. I don`t trust him. No, I don`t.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/20/ng.01.html

while Teresa says things like this:

TERESA NEVES, HALEY`S GRANDMOTHER: You know, you trust your friends and your family to bring in people that you can trust. He did not carry a sign that says "I`m a sexual offender and I`m going to steal your child." He carried nothing like that.

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/20/ijvm.01.html

and this:

"I couldn't tell you anything about him," a distraught Neves told reporters Friday, adding that she only knew of the cousin by his first name Joe. "I can't tell you how they could have taken her from a family that absolutely adores her."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,497744,00.html

The end results were national headlines like this:

Missing Florida Girl's Family: Pedophile Cousin Took Haleigh Cummings

The family of a little Florida girl who apparently vanished while she was sleeping is afraid she was taken by a pedophile cousin.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,497744,00.html

Which, interestingly enough, deflected the scrutiny of the media, and to a certain extent, LE away from the tip that Misty was not home, a possibility that many of us consider very real with what we have learned since.

The tip was announced at a press conference on the morning of 2/18 and Elle's research articles show that the fingers were first pointed towards Cousin Joe within 24 hours afterwards. Couple that with GGM Sykes' sudden recollection and revelation of having visited the trailer on 2/9 coming during the same 24 hour period, the term "Red Herring" seems very appropriate to me.

 

[lonetraveler]

Evening LT....my eyes are totally bugging out right now. I will try to explain quick like. The night the gun was stolen, according to Misty during her LVA, Timmy( the good brother that RC liked) came over with Joe and Tommy. This was actually weeks before Haleigh went missing, not the day of the 9th. Misty explains that the next day RC noticed the gun was missing so he instructed Misty( by phone) where to look. Misty was at Tommy and Lyndsy's searching for the gun and couldn't find it, when she was leaving she said she saw a board over the ditch(culvert) and RC said look in the culvert.....and that is where she found the gun.

Misty goes on to state during the LVA that RC didn't think Timmy took it because he was the brother RC liked. I transcribed the whole LVA where she talked about all this....I will search it and link it tomorrow. Also, Lyndsy talked with Art Harris about the gun being found in the culvert too, I can't remember what he named that article though. HTH

Hi Elle, I have read and heard both stories. One story: This happened weeks earlier and 2nd story: it happen the day before Haleigh was reported missing. I have looked and looked and can find no confirmation which story has been verified. I'm still looking...........thanks.

 

[Crosby87]

BBM.. Do you recall TN stating IF Misty doesn't trust him than neither do I?

I do...JMO

Vaguely, but there is a difference between not trusting someone and accusing them of committing a crime. TN is not directly saying she believes Joe is a suspect.

 

[lonetraveler]

Just saying. If I was Teresa and I was desperately trying to protect my son and his girlfriend/wife came up with a possible suspect I would dive on it like a chicken on a June bug, KWIM?

 

[dodie20]

How did Ron know where the gun was??? Did somebody tell him? Did HE , himself, put it there? Was it an educated guess? Process of elimination?

 

[lonetraveler]

just sharing ... "today's funk":

Was reading Casey/Caylee (jail house letters)
while
thinking about Misty/Haleigh...

Too many parallels to deny Occam's Razor.
Gives great weight to theory: Haleigh was overdosed
"Knocking out" kids so you can party - (Casey's terminology) - could this be a common practice?
Casey/Misty - eerily similar persona.
selfish, manipulative, enabled chameleons
Trapped in dysfunction junction.
Overwhelmed by baby responsibilities
Love 'em, Drug 'em, Leave 'em for a party.
Tell-tale signs that family knows truth.
Conspiracy follows - supported by family desperate to upkeep image.
Haleigh just needs her Kronk to show up.

The End. (for now) :crazy:

emma's RX warning: if you dare read those letters, first swallow 2 acetaminophen.

I can truly empathize with you. I read some of the letters from Casey today............man oh man. I can see where Haleigh could have been drugged in order for Misty to leave the house to either party or do her business. But, I can also see where Ron may have medicated the children because he did not have a babysitter for the night and then he locked them in as he has done so many times. Teresa calls GGMS to check on the children, she finds Haleigh dead. Calls Ron/Teresa and takes Jr. back with her. Teresa gets Misty to show up. Ron shows up to get Haleigh and takes her away. Misty shows up, helps Teresa with the clean up, calls her brothers for help, and memorizes the script for the 911 call and you know the rest of the story.

 

[lonetraveler]

How did Ron know where the gun was??? Did somebody tell him? Did HE , himself, put it there? Was it an educated guess? Process of elimination?

I think Ron put it there himself so that LE would not take it after the 911 call.

 

[Emeralgem]

Vaguely, but there is a difference between not trusting someone and accusing them of committing a crime. TN is not directly saying she believes Joe is a suspect.

And IMHO.. She isn't directly saying she doesn't believe he is a suspect either..
However, since I believe she knows and has always known her son is the one responsible for whatever it is/was that happened to Haleigh and has done everything in her power to cover for him, I don't believe anything she says anyway.. So IMHO IF she was trying to avoid involving cousin Jo, I suspect it had something to do with protecting her own son...JMO

 

[Crosby87]

I pulled up Misty's poly, Leveled Voice Analysis and hypnosis information the other day and posted it on this thread. Something jumped out at me while listening to them that I had not caught before. Just in case one of you didn't catch this info before I'll share what I heard. Misty was talking about finding the gun in this part. She said that her brother Tommy, Cousin Joe and brother Timmy came over to the Mh the day that the gun was supposedly stolen. After they left, it was noticed that the gun was gone.

(Well, the part that I noticed for the first time was that Timmy was also there with Joe and Tommy that day. For some reason I have not noticed this statement before) Then Misty goes on to talk about Timmy, that Timmy would have never stolen the gun, he was the one both she and Ron trusted. Misty wanted to make sure that everyone understood that Timmy was never suspect in the theft. I'm wondering just how Joe supposedly stole the gun without either of the two brothers not knowing that he had it, since they came over together.:waitasec:

Just wanted to share this.

I'm glad you did. I heard Misty say Timmy was there when I listened to the tapes but it was buried beneath the chaos. Did Misty say what time the 3 Musketeers visited the MH or did she just see 3? LOL. Were they there when Ron was at werk? I suppose Misty didn't call the Police to report the gun stolen because she wouldn't want to get her relatives in trouble and that leads me to believe if she committed a crime against HaLeigh, they wouldn't tell her to notify the Police and do the right thing either, especially when you look at Lisa and Hank&#8217;s lifestyle. It is no coincidence that Hank Sr and Lisa weren't around that evening to guide their gangsters, oops, I mean youngsters. IMO, Misty keeps spinning the story about the gun and everything else to hide the real reason they were there, to help dispose of HaLeigh. Imagine if Misty didn't talk about all this crap. It would certainly make the abduction theory seem plausible. Were Timmy or Chelsea employed in Feb 09? I listened to Misty's call to LE when her purse was stolen from the Ragsdae Apt Complex and there is a huge difference in her tone. That was real whereas in comparison the 911 call she made the night HaLeigh disappeared is fake.

 

[Dion]

I can truly empathize with you. I read some of the letters from Casey today............man oh man. I can see where Haleigh could have been drugged in order for Misty to leave the house to either party or do her business. But, I can also see where Ron may have medicated the children because he did not have a babysitter for the night and then he locked them in as he has done so many times. Teresa calls GGMS to check on the children, she finds Haleigh dead. Calls Ron/Teresa and takes Jr. back with her. Teresa gets Misty to show up. Ron shows up to get Haleigh and takes her away. Misty shows up, helps Teresa with the clean up, calls her brothers for help, and memorizes the script for the 911 call and you know the rest of the story.

Another variation on this theory, would be that when Misty turned up, the clean-up was already done, and they convinced her that Haleigh had indeed been kidnapped and that she was responsible as she should have been there, and that Ron could be charged with leaving the kids by themselves, so it was best to tell LE that she was there during the "kidnapping". That way, neither her nor Ron could be held responsible.

 

[suspicious1]

Another variation on this theory, would be that when Misty turned up, the clean-up was already done, and they convinced her that Haleigh had indeed been kidnapped and that she was responsible as she should have been there, and that Ron could be charged with leaving the kids by themselves, so it was best to tell LE that she was there during the "kidnapping". That way, neither her nor Ron could be held responsible.

I'm more inclined to believe this variation on the theory than any other. Misty was the "fall guy" and was given a story (LIE) as to what happened.

I remember in the early days Misty never mentioned GMS being at the mh that day. We didn't hear about this until much later. It makes me think that Misty was not there when GMS arrived, that's why she didn't tell that little bit...She didn't know that at the time of the initial interview.When we learned GMS had been there that day, it seemed Misty had to come back with a story that supported TN/GMS. Then out came the story that GMS was there and with an aunt. Once again, IMO, it was another way to back their story (TN/GMS). They have been leading Misty from day one. All of Misty's facts:waitasec: are way off, well some of them at least. I always questioned why Misty's whole day seemed fabricated and the more I question that the more I lean towards Misty not being there at the mh when all of this went down. JMO though

 

[lonetraveler]

Another variation on this theory, would be that when Misty turned up, the clean-up was already done, and they convinced her that Haleigh had indeed been kidnapped and that she was responsible as she should have been there, and that Ron could be charged with leaving the kids by themselves, so it was best to tell LE that she was there during the "kidnapping". That way, neither her nor Ron could be held responsible.

That is another very plausible theory. I keep thinking about the poly questions indicating that Misty knows what happened to Haleigh but she doesn't really know who took her and she really is not sure if Ron is involved or not. You could be right on this. Misty could have been told that when GGMS got there that Haleigh was gone.

 

[Crosby87]

Just saying. If I was Teresa and I was desperately trying to protect my son and his girlfriend/wife came up with a possible suspect I would dive on it like a chicken on a June bug, KWIM?

LE, FBI, and FDLE are in charge of this investigation and they questioned Joe several times. There is only so much TN can do and LE doesn't have to tell her everything AFAIK. If you feel you have reasonable grounds to suspect a person is responsible for committing a crime, you contact LE and make a report. LE does the rest do they not? One must exercise temperance which means restraint and self control in relationships and I think TN's behavior illustrates this quite well.

 

[Crosby87]

just sharing ... "today's funk":

Was reading Casey/Caylee (jail house letters)
while
thinking about Misty/Haleigh...

Too many parallels to deny Occam's Razor.
Gives great weight to theory: Haleigh was overdosed
"Knocking out" kids so you can party - (Casey's terminology) - could this be a common practice?
Casey/Misty - eerily similar persona.
selfish, manipulative, enabled chameleons
Trapped in dysfunction junction.
Overwhelmed by baby responsibilities
Love 'em, Drug 'em, Leave 'em for a party.
Tell-tale signs that family knows truth.
Conspiracy follows - supported by family desperate to upkeep image.
Haleigh just needs her Kronk to show up.

The End. (for now) :crazy:

emma's RX warning: if you dare read those letters, first swallow 2 acetaminophen.

Asking Misty if she drugged HaLeigh so she could go party is a good question to ask her on a LDT or during an interrogation. If she drugged HaLeigh, it stands to reason she would drug BB at the sametime. And since BB is younger and weighs less than HaLeigh, why wouldn't the dosage kill him too? LE were much more aggressive in their approach towards Casey Anthony then they were with Misty Croslin. IMO, LE coddled Misty because they believed HaLeigh was abducted and Misty who was technically still a child when this happened, was deeply traumatized from the experience. Because they didn&#8217;t want to upset her any further, they backed off which I'm sure suited Misty just fine.

Marlena Shivo appeared on NG and said Hank Sr claimed Misty wasn't home the entire evening. I wonder why Hank Sr didn't appear on NG and tell what he knows? Maybe he lied to protect Misty and when NG invited him to appear on his show, he flat out refused.

 

[dodie20]

I'm more inclined to believe this variation on the theory than any other. Misty was the "fall guy" and was given a story (LIE) as to what happened.

I remember in the early days Misty never mentioned GMS being at the mh that day. We didn't hear about this until much later. It makes me think that Misty was not there when GMS arrived, that's why she didn't tell that little bit...She didn't know that at the time of the initial interview.When we learned GMS had been there that day, it seemed Misty had to come back with a story that supported TN/GMS. Then out came the story that GMS was there and with an aunt. Once again, IMO, it was another way to back their story (TN/GMS). They have been leading Misty from day one. All of Misty's facts:waitasec: are way off, well some of them at least. I always questioned why Misty's whole day seemed fabricated and the more I question that the more I lean towards Misty not being there at the mh when all of this went down. JMO though

This would explain why Misty kept changing her story. She didn't have a story, & was just repeating what she was told to say. I always felt that her inconsistencies were really Ron's & Teresa's. Even when she seemed sure of something, like picking Haleigh up after school, she changed her story to better fit their variations. One of the absolute few bits of info that LE officially released, was that they had reason to believe that Misty wasn't @ the trailer that night. So, even though I wanted to believe her, because she seemed so believable on that one, I gotta go with LE. I'm usually not fooled by liars, so this has me thinking. Maybe in Misty's mind, she's not lieing. Maybe she didn't leave the kids alone. Maybe she didn't actually leave until after whatever happened, happened. or who knows, maybe she wasn't there TO leave & only got there after the fact.

 

[Snowbunny]

Asking Misty if she drugged HaLeigh so she could go party is a good question to ask her on a LDT or during an interrogation. If she drugged HaLeigh, it stands to reason she would drug BB at the sametime. And since BB is younger and weighs less than HaLeigh, why wouldn't the dosage kill him too? LE were much more aggressive in their approach towards Casey Anthony then they were with Misty Croslin. IMO, LE coddled Misty because they believed HaLeigh was abducted and Misty who was technically still a child when this happened, was deeply traumatized from the experience. Because they didn’t want to upset her any further, they backed off which I'm sure suited Misty just fine.

Marlena Shivo appeared on NG and said Hank Sr claimed Misty wasn't home the entire evening. I wonder why Hank Sr didn't appear on NG and tell what he knows? Maybe he lied to protect Misty and when NG invited him to appear on his show, he flat out refused.

If there is any truth to someone giving Haleigh and Butter Bean something to knock them out and yet Butter Bean didn't react to the drugs in the same way as Haleigh may have it could be because of her health condition with Turner Syndrome along with the fact that I thought she had asthma. I thought I did hear once that Butter Bean had a heart murmur but don't quote me on that one.